[Fumblerooskies]

Game time moved to 3 PM today.

[flames1971]

I hope we can win this one!

[ToTheLeft]

Down 5-0 in the 7th.

[flames1971]

Down 5-0 in the 7th.

Scratch what I said earlier, then.

[Fumblerooskies]

Down 5-1, now. You have to remember, we have a number of freshmen who have played important roles...and many times the younger guys hit the wall offensively at this time of the season...especially as teams develop the charts on how to pitch them. Once the guys make the adjustments (may take 2-3 weeks)...I suspect they'll be clicking on all cylinders as it gets closer to tournament time in Asheville.

[Stevev]

I can't remember us in the past doing so poorly against these CAA teams when compared with what we have done the last 2 seasons. In the past we had a tendency to break even. These game do have some degree of importance and it is frustrating as heck to see us keep losing to these types of teams

[larrymack]

six pitchers out with tj or other problems...........working around that with who is available. all will be back next year. not making excuses these are just the facts. bats will come back. we are still real young............ no real rest for the ones who are carrying the load........they'll figure it out.

[LUMU11]

six pitchers out with tj or other problems...........working around that with who is available. all will be back next year. not making excuses these are just the facts. bats will come back. we are still real young............ no real rest for the ones who are carrying the load........they'll figure it out.

Your right Larry. The guys are young and they may have hit a little bit of a wall. But we're still poking out around 10,11 hits a game. Just not stringing anything together. The pitching is worrisome. We don't have a ton of quality arms to begin with, but the injuries is an issue for 2 reasons. Depth and the reason for the injuries. I promise u this is not your random "injury bug". If it was half the staff wouldn't be either injured or pitching hurt. There are some underlying factors that could be cause for concern. However, there's enough there still for this team to do some damage between the 3 weekend guys, the bats, and the d.

[Fumblerooskies]

The pitchers certainly have not been over-used...and they are certainly not under conditioned. Arguably, the top 2-3 arms are NOT pitching due to injuries...so others are having to move up in the rotation and into spots they might not be used to. That will hurt even the best and deepest of staffs.

[LUMU11]

Ok, overuse may not be a problem at this moment bc recently we've been using some people. However, it was a 5 man rotation early in the year and some guys got worn out. That is an issue. So overuse may not be an issue now, but it was at one point. Misuse is an issue as well. But more importantly if your only going to use 7-8 guys you have to use thme right. And throwing sliders 75% of the time is not using guys right. And that's not on Coach Toman, that's on someone else. The other problem is a lack of "development." There are some young guys with talent that are just going out and throwing once every 2 weeks. You can't be successful doing that. And as a person with an abundant knowledge of pitching ill tell you right now that the pitch calling is terrible and that's a problem. Yes the top 2-3 guys are hurt, but they're bc of ignorance, not by chance.I'm not trying to attack anyone, just stating facts.

[Fumblerooskies]

With the two extra conference series this year...the BSC games started earlier...and those 5-6 were more than likely the ones coach had targeted for his F-Sa-Su starters...and they needed the bulk of the work. Unfortunately, things did not work out as planned.

Certainly NOT taking offense (as an avid Toman/LU homer) from you LUMU11...you are stating facts and I am trying to state a rationale behind using the guys early to build up the arms.

[LUMU11]

With the two extra conference series this year...the BSC games started earlier...and those 5-6 were more than likely the ones coach had targeted for his F-Sa-Su starters...and they needed the bulk of the work. Unfortunately, things did not work out as planned.

Certainly NOT taking offense (as an avid Toman/LU homer) from you LUMU11...you are stating facts and I am trying to state a rationale behind using the guys early to build up the arms.

Nor do I take any. We all understand there are so many ways to things and your rationale is good. I wouldn't dispute it, I believe that the execution could be better. I am a huge homer as well, and not many people are as big a Toman fan as I am. I'm fully behind him he's got the ship going in the right direction. I was just pointing out as someone whose thrown quite a few pitches in their lifetime and who has coached pitchers that there are some philosophical things that are leading to some of our pitching issues, and that is not Coach Toman's fault. I agree the extra 6 BSC games put pitching at more of a premium, but I've never been involved with a staff that was this injured. If your PC is handling guys and situations the right way things would be different. Would we still have injuries? Probably, as you always have some. A lot of our problems are elbows tho and kids this age haven't thrown enough pitches to be ripping elbows up. the injuries would be minimized not maximized like right now.
I hope no one that reads takes offense, this is just discussion. Its about time the baseball board livened up a bit.
Also, this team has talent, they're going to be OK, just can't put it all together right now.

[Fumblerooskies]

No offense taken, either...very good discussion. Thanks for keeping it civil.

[larrymack]

if you look around the country, you will see lots of teams that are having this problem. usc certainly has had them this year. lost to the citadel last night. it'll all work out.. lots of young guys starting.. 5-6 freshman very few srs. in our situation i would rather we peak later, get the hitting going again and good d. they'll come around .....we know they can do it.

[SuperJon]

Someone with more pitching knowledge than me explain to me the benefits of pitchers lifting during the season opposed to not lifting during the season.

[LUMU11]

Someone with more pitching knowledge than me explain to me the benefits of pitchers lifting during the season opposed to not lifting during the season.

You want to lift during the season. As much as it seems to contradict pitching bc most see lifting and they think "get big", but that's not the kind of lifting we're talking about. Very important to stay strong in the legs and the core. Even in season pitchers can go hard after both those areas with squat, leg press, etc. Core is all about stabilization exercises, working your main abdominals, obliques. Back and shoulders are just as important.
The lifting itself isn't the dangerous part, it's the type of lifting you do. If you have guys trying to get in the gym and do tons of dips, pullups, bench press, etc. it can get dangerous. In the off season that stuff is fine, but the goal is to stay and shape and get stronger with long, lean muscles that way you can have endurance and be flexible. In the offseason you can do more of that stuff and work to get bigger, but in season ( as far as the upper body is concerned) your more or trying to stay where your at. You take the emphasis of the big muscles and really put it into the smaller muscles. That should answer your question. Unless you want more detail, in that case let me know.

[SuperJon]

That's what I figured.


And that's why we're getting hurt.