A Sea Of Red

ECC29 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 7:26 am This is a similar path as LU football. LU hired Coach Gill and brought success in winning multiple Big South titles as an FCS football team. However, when LU football became FBS, Coach Freeze was hired. Coach Freeze was able to recruit better players because of who he is and raised LU football to the next level winning multiple Bowl championships. LU is to the next level in G5 level. It’s time to get a new coach that can recruit better players.

Ill flame wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 10:25 am I'm pretty sure I accidently voted for yes. We haven't played a single game in CUSA yet so it seems a little early to say he can't recruit at that level yet. We are a top 100 team in NET most years despite being in a conference where almost everyone else is in the 200s. We have certainly been recruiting well above most teams in low major conferences. We can point at FGCU all day but they would've won CUSA most years too. FGCU has been winning their first round game in the NCAA tourney more often than not while no one in CUSA has won a tournament game in over a decade. Winning the conference may actually be easier now despite the rest of the conference being significantly better.

Purple Haize wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 7:44 am

ECC29 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 7:26 am This is a similar path as LU football. LU hired Coach Gill and brought success in winning multiple Big South titles as an FCS football team. However, when LU football became FBS, Coach Freeze was hired. Coach Freeze was able to recruit better players because of who he is and raised LU football to the next level winning multiple Bowl championships. LU is to the next level in G5 level. It’s time to get a new coach that can recruit better players.

If you’re gonna remove a successful coach for reasons other than scandal, you’d best have someone in mind who is immediately going to make the program better. There is no Hugh Freeze equivalent in WBB, so that comparison isn’t a good one. I’m also a big loyalty guy. Whatever you think of his recruiting or his style, his teams have won consistently over a long long period of time. He’s worked under at least 4 AD’s and none have seen fit to remove him. At this point he has more than earned the right to walk away on his terms.

Chippy wrote: ↑June 24th, 2023, 9:41 pm The top talent will go to a P5 school. Those are the teams that provide the best competition and the best chance to win a national title year in and year out. Liberty is one of 300 other teams fighting for what's left of the talent once it's been picked clean by the power conferences. Whether it's basketball, baseball softball, soccer, volleyball, while we my have an upset or 2 of a P5 team, we have never had P5 talent to do this to the point where we are a player on the big stage. Top talented Christians have a choice to come here but seldom if ever do (see Oklahoma softball).

ECC29 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 1:44 pm

Purple Haize wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 7:44 am

ECC29 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 7:26 am This is a similar path as LU football. LU hired Coach Gill and brought success in winning multiple Big South titles as an FCS football team. However, when LU football became FBS, Coach Freeze was hired. Coach Freeze was able to recruit better players because of who he is and raised LU football to the next level winning multiple Bowl championships. LU is to the next level in G5 level. It’s time to get a new coach that can recruit better players.

If you’re gonna remove a successful coach for reasons other than scandal, you’d best have someone in mind who is immediately going to make the program better. There is no Hugh Freeze equivalent in WBB, so that comparison isn’t a good one. I’m also a big loyalty guy. Whatever you think of his recruiting or his style, his teams have won consistently over a long long period of time. He’s worked under at least 4 AD’s and none have seen fit to remove him. At this point he has more than earned the right to walk away on his terms.

To say no one like Coach Freeze to replace Coach Green is your opinion. There are absolutely better coaches and recruiter than Green out there. You underestimate the sports world. Green has been successful in lower level conferences. G5 is a different level. This is also a business, LU is trying to raise its sports level to the next level. WBB is no different. LU need to bring a coach that can bring in the better athletes.

cruzan_flame13 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 3:45 pm I see more emotional thinking than critical thinking here, so there's no point in being repetitive. We'll just have to see what happens and there shouldn't be any surprise if we beat the easy teams as usual but not beat a few in conference teams like the Lady Techers, WKU and MTSU who actually recruits decently. Business is business.

Purple Haize wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 3:48 pm Oh, I’m kinda familiar with the Sports World.

ECC29 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 5:06 pm

cruzan_flame13 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 3:45 pm I see more emotional thinking than critical thinking here, so there's no point in being repetitive. We'll just have to see what happens and there shouldn't be any surprise if we beat the easy teams as usual but not beat a few in conference teams like the Lady Techers, WKU and MTSU who actually recruits decently. Business is business.

The critical thinking here is easy. Look into the history of Coach Green. 1) Successful against low level teams. 2) He recruits 1 decent players every 4-5 years. But unable to recruit 3 to 5 at the same time on the floor to compete against top teams. I support LU sport. I have no ties with Coach Green. However, there are people here that have some kind of emotional ties with him. The moment someone gives a critique about him, they spiral down and flips upside down. I am speaking as a former D1 athlete. I know that D1 sports is evolving rapidly. The upcoming young athletes are better than the yesteryears. LU WBB will fall behind the power curve if they do not adjust. This is not the ASUN, this is now G5 level.

cruzan_flame13 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 7:52 pm

ECC29 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 5:06 pm

cruzan_flame13 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 3:45 pm I see more emotional thinking than critical thinking here, so there's no point in being repetitive. We'll just have to see what happens and there shouldn't be any surprise if we beat the easy teams as usual but not beat a few in conference teams like the Lady Techers, WKU and MTSU who actually recruits decently. Business is business.

The critical thinking here is easy. Look into the history of Coach Green. 1) Successful against low level teams. 2) He recruits 1 decent players every 4-5 years. But unable to recruit 3 to 5 at the same time on the floor to compete against top teams. I support LU sport. I have no ties with Coach Green. However, there are people here that have some kind of emotional ties with him. The moment someone gives a critique about him, they spiral down and flips upside down. I am speaking as a former D1 athlete. I know that D1 sports is evolving rapidly. The upcoming young athletes are better than the yesteryears. LU WBB will fall behind the power curve if they do not adjust. This is not the ASUN, this is now G5 level.

I don't think you realize that my message was not pointing specifically at you. You made a good point; the game has change in many ways especially in recruiting. Sone of the 'ol members in the forum are stuck in their ways and will "buj" if anyone makes a slight suggestion that is not apart of their norm. Trust me, I received similar responses when I started on here and just moved on. Can't teach an old dog new tricks I suppose ? To me, why not discuss about it. We don't really have much to talk about during this time of the year anways. I guess the next topic will be a poll on the first projects suggested from President Costin

cruzan_flame13 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 7:54 pm

cruzan_flame13 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 7:52 pm

ECC29 wrote: ↑June 25th, 2023, 5:06 pm
The critical thinking here is easy. Look into the history of Coach Green. 1) Successful against low level teams. 2) He recruits 1 decent players every 4-5 years. But unable to recruit 3 to 5 at the same time on the floor to compete against top teams. I support LU sport. I have no ties with Coach Green. However, there are people here that have some kind of emotional ties with him. The moment someone gives a critique about him, they spiral down and flips upside down. I am speaking as a former D1 athlete. I know that D1 sports is evolving rapidly. The upcoming young athletes are better than the yesteryears. LU WBB will fall behind the power curve if they do not adjust. This is not the ASUN, this is now G5 level.

I don't think you realize that my message was not pointing specifically at you. You made a good point; the game has change in many ways especially in recruiting. Sone of the 'ol members in the forum are stuck in their ways and will "buj" if anyone makes a slight suggestion that is not apart of their norm. Trust me, I received similar responses when I started on here and just moved on. Can't teach an old dog new tricks I suppose ? To me, why not discuss about it. We don't really have much to talk about during this time of the year anways. I guess the next topic will be a poll on the first projects suggested from President Costin