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VT post mortem

Posted: December 7th, 2006, 1:43 am
by Chris Lang
Actually, I was thinking the same thing, FSN.

Just to add some observations from the last two games ...

1. Officiating wasn't great, no, but it didn't cost Liberty the game. There were a couple of plays Megan scored on where I was like, 'man, she got drilled on the wrist. No and-one?' But those were little plays throughout the game, and Tech was on the wrong end of a couple, too.

2. In the second half of both the VT and JMU games, Liberty's offense was just completely out of rhythm. Now that Megan's back, the team doesn't seem to know how to score when she's completely taken out of a game. With due respect to Megan, I know she says that the opponents are having little to do with what's going on, but I disagree a bit. Tech's Brittany Cook did a real nice job last night staying in front of Megan and forcing her into tough looks, and JMU's Tamera Young completely locked her down.

I think Megan doesn't want things to be about her. She doesn't want everything to revolve around her, but she's going to have to deal with it to a certain extent. She's a level above everyone else on her team, and she's going to get analyzed, praised and criticized accordingly.

3. At some point, I was waiting for Megan to take over that game last night. I think her teammates were too. That's definitely part of the problem. She scores 37 at UVA and her teammates think, 'well, that was easy. She can do that all the time.' I think it goes to show just how special that second half was.

4. The point guards last night combine to go 0-for-9. Allyson is nowhere to be found in the final five minutes and Michelle Parker couldn't generate the same offense she did at JMU.

5. Courtney Watkins has been a bit of a non-entity so far, much like she was last year. Liberty needs some outside shooting from her. I'm not talking about 12-14 points a game, but defenses don't respect her right now. No one will sag off a double team on Megan to guard her outside. A couple of made threes will remedy that.

Posted: December 7th, 2006, 9:02 am
by bigsmooth
Critic and GMTM, unlock that thread guys. i know you wanted to stop some of the negativity...(God knows we do not need it filtering from the mens hoops board) but just tell people to lay off a bit. it was a bit quick.

Posted: December 7th, 2006, 9:04 am
by A.G.
I think they locked it but forgot to post a post-mortem thread.

Posted: December 7th, 2006, 10:06 am
by thesportscritic
bigsmooth wrote:Critic and GMTM, unlock that thread guys. i know you wanted to stop some of the negativity...(God knows we do not need it filtering from the mens hoops board) but just tell people to lay off a bit. it was a bit quick.
here you go it is in the post mortem but i am not unlocking the game thread.

Posted: December 7th, 2006, 10:09 am
by thesportscritic
all great points chris. we didn't play with megan and this team needs to learn to play with her and quit waiting for her to take over.

Posted: December 7th, 2006, 11:04 am
by bigsmooth
agreed critic....if we do not, against good teams we will struggle. coach green even said this at flames club last week.

Posted: December 7th, 2006, 12:56 pm
by givemethemic
I didn't lock the thread... but I will open it

Posted: December 7th, 2006, 5:00 pm
by fsn32
I agree 100% that you can't blame the refs... we should have won that game by 10 and one call wouldn't have mattered... BUT, the call on Moriah with 50 seconds to go certainly did affect the outcome.

I have watched it 10 times and in slow motion, and it wasn't the right call. The male official under the basket looked as if he was calling the foul on VT but the trail official called Moriah over the back. Moriah went straight up and Cook came back into her. Moriah should have been shooting free throws to try and take the lead, instead VT was taking free throws to extend it to 3 points. There is no way of knowing if we would have won but it certainly did change the complexion of the last minute.

Having said that... Tech outplayed us from about 3 minutes to go in the first half till the end. We took a couple bad shots late in the game and VT got to the line more than us. (Although, I'm sure Carey would argue that we deserved to go to the line more than we did... and the video tape would tend to agree with him... how many other games has Megan Frazee not taken a single Free Throw? Answer: only one, last year in a blowout win verses CSU)

Also, Megan missed 9 shots and I haven't gone back to confirm this but I would say that 6 of the 9 were in and out. Sometimes the shooters rolls aren't there. If every shot that she put inside the cylinder would have stayed in, she would probably have had 26 points and LU would have won comfortably.

VT is not terrible... I don't know what happened to them against W&M... against Radford they shot 6 of 18 from the FT line... but at the end of the day we will want this one back. The one good thing is that once they get into ACC play, their SOS will help our RPI. That doesn't really make me feel better, but it was worth a try.

Posted: December 7th, 2006, 7:53 pm
by thesportscritic
VT doesn't have a prayer against UNC, Duke or Maryland.

Posted: December 7th, 2006, 10:40 pm
by Purple Haize
FSN,
I am the one that said they were awful. And Mrs Purple backs me up. I saw them both up close and personal and am just shocked. As for your comments on officiating...check the new thread

Posted: December 7th, 2006, 11:14 pm
by fsn32
Purple Haize wrote:FSN,
I am the one that said they were awful. And Mrs Purple backs me up. I saw them both up close and personal and am just shocked. As for your comments on officiating...check the new thread
Where is the new thread... I can't find it.

Posted: December 7th, 2006, 11:18 pm
by Purple Haize
Courtyard: Irrefutable Officating Truisms

Posted: December 7th, 2006, 11:37 pm
by fsn32
BTW... I agree that they are down... but I wouldn't say awful... compared to their teams the last few years, they are not good, but awful is a strong word. I don't think any team in the ACC is awful... maybe Clemson.

Actually, Tech played a very good Iowa St team close and beat a decent UNC Charlotte team. And they beat a pretty good Liberty team on the road ;-)

As for the refs... I know it is a violation of your brotherhood... but there was a questionable call in the last minute that hurt our comeback chances... but as I said before... we should have been up by 8 or 10 so that one call wouldn't have mattered. The crew on Tuesday had a shaky game... normally when I talk over a replay I say things like "that would be a tough call to make at normal speed" or "the crowd didn't like it but the refs saw such and such..." but the other night there was a lot of "ewww, that was a tough call" and "they are normally right, but they may have missed that one."

I know we get the benefit of replay... but at this level usually the refs get it right and the replay backs them up. The other night they struggled and on both sides... replay showed that both teams got away with things that college officials usually don't miss... steps, moving screens, hacks. I know it is hard for you to say... but everyone can have an off night... players, coaches, broadcasters... even officials. :wink:

Posted: December 7th, 2006, 11:51 pm
by jmdickens
i know we don't need to blame refs, but one of the managers on the girls team said Jerry had a meeting today with the NCAA about the officiating..not sure who all else was involved

Posted: December 7th, 2006, 11:56 pm
by Purple Haize
Never said officials couldn't have an off nite. I have seen lots of blown calls, in blow outs and close games, it happens. Now if both teams were "getting away" with things that is not that big of a deal. As long as you catch the POE's you'll be fine. One key point is: If you called that foul with 2 minutes left in the game, did you call the same play the same way 2 minutes into the game.
Didn't see the foul, but I don't doubt you. Those are always tough pills to swallow.
As for Jerry meeting with "The NCAA about officiating" not too sure about that. "They" would be more likely to talk to the AD and it would probably be the Supervisor of officials that talked to anyone with maybe an NCAA rep on the line. Of course, it is not beyond (or below) Jerry to call Indy and start complaining! I just hope he doesnt' sic the Liberty Council clowns on them LOL

Posted: December 8th, 2006, 12:00 am
by jmdickens
you never know, Johnathon might go up there and start something...he did get his JD from UVA???

Posted: December 8th, 2006, 12:08 am
by ATrain
Dickens, that would be Jerry Jr.

Posted: December 8th, 2006, 12:10 am
by jmdickens
thanks I couldn't remember which one it was

Posted: December 8th, 2006, 12:12 am
by ATrain
AND ITS SPELLED J-O-N-A-T-H-A-N...GET IT RIGHT, GOSH!!! :P

Posted: December 8th, 2006, 8:54 am
by bigsmooth
JF was furious about the officiating tuesday, but that's all im gonna say about it. barber said it would be addressed.

Posted: December 8th, 2006, 1:46 pm
by PAmedic
I don't know if thats such a good precedent to set. Don't want to encourage people's warped perception of LU, and that type of thing won't help- esp if the official gets reprimanded as a result.

I could be wrong...

Posted: December 8th, 2006, 2:30 pm
by jimflamesfan
I don't like that, either. To me, its okay for me to complain about the refs when we lose...that's my option as a fan :)

But ADs and presidents complaining, that seems over the top...

Posted: December 8th, 2006, 10:02 pm
by Purple Haize
Not to worry LU already has a reputation for whinning about officials. They are right occasionaly (see football) but for the most part just come off as whiny. My favorite was the time when the crew consisted of two officials who had worked final fours. Go figure.