[BJWilliams]

That game tonight was U-G-L-Y you ain't got no alibi...


But hey at least we don't have a boatload of Fire Carey Green propaganda all over the board

[Go Flames]

Our biggest problem is that we are being outcoached!!

[krh44]

But hey at least we don't have a boatload of Fire Carey Green propaganda all over the board

BJ Give it time

[PAmedic]

yup- see post above by GF

[TIMSCAR20]

Other teams are definitely smelling blood right now...I would not be surprised if the tourney winner was either Liberty, High Point, Coastal Carolina, or Radford.

or none of the above.

Yep A Train, you didn't mention the team that just beat us in the Vines 2 weeks before the tournament finals and also the team that is hosting that same tournament, UNCA.

[pointguard4christ]

Thanks for the congrats sportscritic, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it the way I do.

[bigsmooth]

the game wrap from libertyflames.com

UNC Asheville Spoils Lady Flames’ Senior Night With 54-51 Triumph
Megan Frazee led all players with 20 points and 14 rebounds against UNC Asheville

February 24, 2007
Lynchburg, Va.

UNC Asheville sank three free throws during the final minute of Saturday evening’s game at the Vines Center, enabling the Bulldogs to spoil Liberty’s Senior Night festivities with a 54-51 win.

UNC Asheville, which had lost four of its last six games, won at Liberty for the first time since Feb. 12, 1990. The Bulldogs are now 16-11 overall and 7-5 in conference play. The Lady Flames had won the previous 24 match-ups with the Bulldogs overall. The visitors made 16 more free throws than Liberty, while becoming the first visiting conference team other than High Point to win at the Vines Center since Carey Green’s first Big South game at Liberty, on Jan. 13, 2000 versus Elon.

Liberty falls to 17-10 overall and 9-3 in Big South Conference action. High Point, Radford and Liberty are now tied atop the conference standings with just two conference games remaining in the regular season.

Liberty committed 26 turnovers and shot a season-low 33.8 percent from the floor as the Lady Flames dropped a third Big South game for the first time since the 1996-97 season.

The first half featured two ties and five lead changes, as both teams struggled to find their shooting touch. Liberty made only six of its 26 first-half field goal attempts (23.1 percent), while UNC Asheville was 4-of-21 (19 percent).

Liberty scored the game’s first two hoops, as Jamie Feagin and Megan Frazee each sank lay-ups in the first three minutes of play. Frazee’s connection at the 17:22 mark gave the Lady Flames a 4-0 lead.

The home team would not score again for the next 6:17. In the meantime, the Bulldogs tallied seven-straight points, taking a 7-4 advantage on Tasha Branch’s jump shot, 11:43 before halftime.

Liberty responded with an 8-2 surge, including six Megan Frazee tallies. Frazee’s two free throws at 6:17 pushed the home team’s lead to 12-9.

The Lady Flames then endured another long scoreless drought. They did not score another point until Rebecca Lightfoot made a pair of charity tosses at the 52-second mark. Prior to Lightfoot’s foul shots, UNC Asheville had scored seven-consecutive points to take its largest lead of the opening half at 16-12.

Liberty notched the stanza’s last four points, making the halftime score, 16-16, after Megan Frazee’s lay-up with three seconds left.

Frazee totaled 10 points and seven rebounds before the intermission, leading all players in both categories.

Four different players scored three points apiece for UNC Asheville in the opening half. Ana Baker, a 5-6 guard, hauled in a team-best five boards.

Both teams improved their efficiency at the offensive end during the final 20 minutes, especially UNC Asheville, which shot 50 percent (10-of-20) from the field. Feagin recorded an old-fashioned three-point play on Liberty’s first offensive possession of the half, giving Liberty a short-lived, 19-16 lead with 19:43 left.

UNC Asheville made its first three shots of the second half, the last of which was a Katie Baldwin three-pointer at the 18:14 mark. Her conversion, capping a 9-0 burst, lifted the Bulldogs to a 25-19 advantage.

The visitors still led by six before Liberty responded with nine-straight points. An Allyson Fasnacht jumper finished the surge with her team on top, 32-29, with 14:11 showing on the second-half clock.

The Lady Flames tied or held the lead for all, but 35 seconds until Kyla Jones kick-started a run of six-consecutive UNC Asheville markers with a jumper at the 5:09 mark.

Jones also closed the Bulldog surge with two foul shots with 2:50 remaining, making the score, 50-47 in favor of UNC Asheville.

Liberty scored four of the contest’s next five points, knotting the score at 51 apiece on Molly Frazee’s putback with exactly one minute left.

Jones made what turned out to be the game-winning free throw at the 42-second mark. Liberty did not get a chance to respond, as it made three turnovers during the last 39 seconds of play.

Amanda Elder then sealed UNC Asheville’s win with a pair of free throws with three seconds remaining. In the second half, the Bulldogs went 16-of-24 from the free throw line, while Liberty was 2-of-4.

Megan Frazee’s 10th double-double of the season went for naught. The sophomore led all players in both points (20) and rebounds (14). She grabbed six of the Lady Flames’ 21 offensive boards and enabled Liberty to outrebound UNC Asheville by a 45-34 count.

Molly Frazee and Feagin chipped in with seven points apiece and contributed to Liberty’s sizable, 38-14 edge in points in the paint.

Elder scored 10 of her team-best 13 points in the second half for the Bulldogs. Stacy Shepard added nine points, all of which came from the charity stripe. Baker ended up as her team’s top rebounder with seven caroms.

Asheville took advantage of Liberty’s miscues, owning a 22-13 advantage in points off turnovers. Brittany Hendley was the Bulldogs’ most effective defender, coming up with four of her squad’s 13 steals.

The back and forth contest saw a total of six ties and 13 lead changes.

Lady Flame seniors Jamie Feagin, Leslie Jones, Michelle Parker and Karolina Piotrkiewicz were honored prior to the start of their final home game. The quartet finished its Liberty career with wins in 50-of-56 games at the Vines Center. Liberty ended the year with a 10-3 home mark.

Liberty will play its final two regular season games away from home, beginning with a Monday evening contest at Birmingham-Southern. The Lady Flames’ last Big South Conference match-up with the Panthers will tip off at 7 p.m.

UNC Asheville will close its season with a pair of home games before hosting the Big South Championship. The Bulldogs host Radford on Wednesday at 7 p.m.

[ATrain]

Oops...I meant to mention UNCA-don't know what I was thinking leaving them out...sorry

[jimflamesfan]

We still need to win out...if we come in second, we won't have to play UNCA at home unless we make it to the finals. If we win out the regular season and High Point beats us in the Big South Tournament, then at least we would go to the NIT.

I think/hope we'll beat Birgingham Southern (but who really knows)...but I don't know if we'll be able to beat Radford at home.

I'd like to see Lightfoot, Petrokavich (sp), Hammond, Fasnaught, and one of the Frazees out there at the same time.

Recently, Green has tried Parker, Megan Frazee, Hammond, Petrokavich, and Fasnaught...but he seems to always take Hammond out to soon. She did give away two steals in a row last night...but at least she was trying to make a pass...why didn't parker step forward to take that pass?? It's like she's just waiting for them to step in front of it to make the steal. Everyone except for Fasnaught and Hammond seem to be scared to pass.

You can defend us by simply double teaming the person with the ball, which is normaly Megan Frazee.

I like the way Nikabatsza (sp) played last night...and I like her defense...but I wish they would play her less...she's not much of an offensive threat, and she seems to driblle it off her foot once every game...although last night it wasn't her...it was parker I'd also play Courtney Watkins less...she's supposed to be the outside shooter, but she's not hitting her shots...she did make a nice save at the baseline last night, but the refs called her out, but she wasn't - but it wasn't the refs fault, calls went both ways.

Anyway, Girls, please stop dribbling the ball off of your feet....ugh......

I think Green is an excellent coach, and I think any of these girls could play way better than me, but I'm frustrated watching!

The good news is we're still in it...but I just have to vent and ramble now.

[ATrain]

I wonder if there isn't something going on behind-the-scenes with the team. We have the talent to be a top 25 team. We won at UVA, handing the Wahoos their first loss ever (men's or women's) in JPJ Arena. We lost by 10 at JMU (who cracked the top 25 this year), and hung with Pitt and GW despite senior KP being injured.

We have definitely played better earlier this season. Its not that the talent is not there. That makes me wonder if something else is going off the court, away from the eyes and ears of the coaches affecting this team's performance on court.

[Go Flames]

This team has an identity crisis. They don't know from one game to the next who's going to be starting. And since the Virginia game, the opposing coaches had to take a long hard look at our offense to see what they could do to stop us. Since out offense never changes and it's called all the time from the bench, the girls have lost their ability to take advantage of the defense. We need a motion offense that's unpredictable to the opposing teams and where our girls can feel free enough to use their own instincts to take advantage of whatever the defense gives them.

If you look at the successful teams, you'll find their starting five are usually the same 5 players game after game. These 5 players get the most minutes and over the course of the season, the entire team develops its identity. The good coaches never blame the girls for not winning a game, but rather blame themselves for the failure.

Who is the sixth man, the seventh? Who can step in and play that role? Has anybody noticed how poorly we usually play in the first half? It's because we have a new lineup in there every game. The proof that the team has an identity crises is the fact that we fans are discussing who we think should start the next game......The season 's almost over and not only the coach hasn't got a clue who to start, but neither do we. At this point in the season, that's unacceptable.

[Hold My Own]

I've said it from the start...this is the season it ends...I pray it doesn't, but I just cant see anything but it ending in our future

[Purple Haize]

HMO you better be careful with statements like that. You may be placed in the Hateraide camp!!!

[thesportscritic]

This team has an identity crisis. They don't know from one game to the next who's going to be starting. And since the Virginia game, the opposing coaches had to take a long hard look at our offense to see what they could do to stop us. Since out offense never changes and it's called all the time from the bench, the girls have lost their ability to take advantage of the defense. We need a motion offense that's unpredictable to the opposing teams and where our girls can feel free enough to use their own instincts to take advantage of whatever the defense gives them.

If you look at the successful teams, you'll find their starting five are usually the same 5 players game after game. These 5 players get the most minutes and over the course of the season, the entire team develops its identity. The good coaches never blame the girls for not winning a game, but rather blame themselves for the failure.

Who is the sixth man, the seventh? Who can step in and play that role? Has anybody noticed how poorly we usually play in the first half? It's because we have a new lineup in there every game. The proof that the team has an identity crises is the fact that we fans are discussing who we think should start the next game......The season 's almost over and not only the coach hasn't got a clue who to start, but neither do we. At this point in the season, that's unacceptable.

agreed go flames. we run the same offense everytime and don't change anything up. This team is still not creative on offense. perimeter passing and no penetration by the guards.

[bigsmooth]

i like coach green and he has been highly successful, but look at the season people. we have got progressively worse this year. that UVA win on the road is not a big deal now because they will not even be in the NCAA tournament. yes road wins against the ACC are nice, but UVA is not a top notch team. green continues to use the complacency card and he has also said that turnovers have not cost them. you tell me a team that wins many games with 26 turnovers like they had against UNCA. If the coaching staff, cannot motivate the players, and if they are not working hard in practice to cut down on the turnovers, that is on the staff. this team appears very soft to me. and to what haize has sais that we have talent and then some?? comon man, put down that kool-aid brother, not unless we have some solid recruits coming in this team will struggle next year. the big south has improved a bit, but we have become worse.

[Purple Haize]

Smoothie - Did you just accuse me of being a Kool Aid drinker????? Someone write that down!!!
We DO have talent, and plenty of it. We just are not meshing and there are several reasons for that. You are DEAD ON that turnovers cost us. If you look at my posts since day one I have said that it could be our achilles heel. (Along with lack of athleticism) UNCA was quicker to the loose balls than we were all night. That can be both hustle and speed, we had neither.
Now, the question we were debating before LU tied it up was: What would you be less likely to believe - You were AHEAD and only scored 16 points or that you only scored 14 points but were down 2???

[thesportscritic]

Megan Frazee did not touch the freakin ball in the last 20 seconds of the game. that is unacceptable. She is the only one in my opinion who has been consistent. she was the only player in double figures.

[bigsmooth]

you know i love ya haize, but i guess we will agree to disagree on the talent thing. the players we do have are not that athletic either.

[thesportscritic]

i like coach green and he has been highly successful, but look at the season people. we have got progressively worse this year. that UVA win on the road is not a big deal now because they will not even be in the NCAA tournament. yes road wins against the ACC are nice, but UVA is not a top notch team. green continues to use the complacency card and he has also said that turnovers have not cost them. you tell me a team that wins many games with 26 turnovers like they had against UNCA. If the coaching staff, cannot motivate the players, and if they are not working hard in practice to cut down on the turnovers, that is on the staff. this team appears very soft to me. and to what haize has sais that we have talent and then some?? comon man, put down that kool-aid brother, not unless we have some solid recruits coming in this team will struggle next year. the big south has improved a bit, but we have become worse.

after the UVA win we have not improved at all. and agree with smooth.

[jcmanson]

I agree with you Smoothie. It is just so dissapointing, after seeing us completely dominate the Big South night in, night out. Very dissapointing.

[Go Flames]

It's not that the girls are not creative on offense..........they are running what the coach says to run. So then, who's not creative on offense?

It's not that Megan should have taken the last shot, it's the fact that the ball was given to a proven turn-over machine that cannot penetrate or pass. Megan was never going to get the ball. The games outcome was never in doubt at that point.

[thesportscritic]

It's not that the girls are not creative on offense..........they are running what the coach says to run. So then, who's not creative on offense?

It's not that Megan should have taken the last shot, it's the fact that the ball was given to a proven turn-over machine that cannot penetrate or pass. Megan was never going to get the ball. The games outcome was never in doubt at that point.

she should have had the ball the last 20 seconds. she is the only one who is consistent in scoring. it was a big mistake that she didn't even touch the basketball in that situation.

[Go Flames]

When I say Megan was not going to get the ball, it is not because she shouldn't have been the one to get it in that situation. She's the obvious choice. I'm referring to the fact that the ball was put into sombody elses hands that doesn't have the ability to get it to her.

[thesportscritic]

When I say Megan was not going to get the ball, it is not because she shouldn't have been the one to get it in that situation. She's the obvious choice. I'm referring to the fact that the ball was put into sombody elses hands that doesn't have the ability to get it to her.

i see what you are saying.

[Purple Haize]

Predictability on offense?? What team is NOT predictable on offense? With all the tape that teams watch now, there are generally few suprises for teams. As I have stated before, I am pretty sure EVERYONE knew that the Utah Jazz were running that pick and roll thing, Maryland is gonna run a flex offense, UNC is going to have a secondary break and Duke and Texas Tech are gonna run a motion and play man to man. Temple and Syracuse are going to play Zone and back int he day Arakansas was going to play "40 minutes of Hell". What you run is not that important. (Unless you are running a system that does not fit your personnel) HOW you run it is the only important thing.