[thepostman]

The turnover issue has been there since the sweet 16 glory days. The box scores on libertyflames.com don't go back that far but in the 2006 Big South Championship game that we won we had 19 turnovers and in our 1st round NCAA tournament game we had 16. Of course its gotten a bit worse now and turnovers in the women's game are a bit higher but that just is more of a reason why women's basketball is a tough sell.

[BJWilliams]

I said this before but one thing that makes it hard to get rid of someone like Coach Green is what you see almost circling the Vines Center every time you walk in. Yes we lost in the championship last year but when you have someone who has won 11 conference championships despite all the turnovers and despite the lack of "star power", its gonna make that decision a lot more difficult. If we ever ended up like ODU (to use an example close to home for me), then of course that decision is going to be made, but as long as we keep putting out 1-loss conference records and putting conference champion banners in the Vines Center, its a decision that is going to continue to stay on the back burner

[jbock13]

When mediocrity becomes acceptable, you never quite realize how great we could be.

[GillsHill2013]

But never take for granted what you have...The next guy/girl could come in and mess things up.. Look at the state Pitt football after they fire Wandsted..4 coaches in 1 year...

[From the class of 09]

When mediocrity becomes acceptable, you never quite realize how great we could be.

I don't think we can talk about mediocrity when talking womens basketball. Football, baseball, and mens basketball on the other hand.

[BJWilliams]

jbock is more talking about the fact that we arent beatng teams like JMU or UVA or winning 26-27 games and beating ranked teams and stuff like that

[Schfourteenteen]

ANSWER IS EASY

We only did the Big South Fantastic Fan promotion for one season! If the govt. just handed us money for it every year we'd be soaring. Of course, attendance did drop 10% during that season.

[From the class of 09]

jbock is more talking about the fact that we arent beatng teams like JMU or UVA or winning 26-27 games and beating ranked teams and stuff like that

All I'm saying is to expect a coach to do more than win his conference constantly is unrealistic. Sure you will have great years (sweet 16) when you do more. But to act like wbball is underachieving because we only won the BS and won't get beyond the first round of the NCAA is dumb.
You very rarely will find a school that consistently outperforms their conference by such a large margin. Teams will peak and make a run, then fall back to just winning their crappy mid-major conference.
If we move up and Green can't win the conference consistently (whatever conference we are in) then we get to talk about change-ups with women hopes, but not until then. Green didn’t choose the BS for Lib.
This is another reason why I'm all about getting out of the BS.

[jbock13]

But never take for granted what you have...The next guy/girl could come in and mess things up.. Look at the state Pitt football after they fire Wandsted..4 coaches in 1 year...

I'm glad Pitt screwed their program up (I was raised a WVU fan)

I've made my point to you guys on here before, so I won't keep repeating it but it's just my thoughts for whatever it's worth. Carry on, I don't want to turn this into what I think.

[thepostman]

We are not mediocre. If we were mediocre we would be the middle of the back in the Big South every year. We are a Big South school, until we move up we have to stop acting like we are bigger then we are. Schools in conferences like the Big South do not have much more success then we have had in women's basketball. We have a program that is just about as good as you can expect from a school belonging to a conference like the Big South.

I hate the turnovers and wish that we could be better across the board in all sports, but we are what we are. We are a Big South conference school and that is the first thing recruits see.

So jbock I get what you are trying to get at, but we are a great Big South Conference program. A program that for the most part dominates the conference and then come ncaa time does not do much more then get Liberty's name out there a little bit more. It is what most small conferences in the DI level can expect. Its not mediocrity, its the reality of the level we are at.

Wow this was a freaking long post...sorry about that

[jbock13]

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So jbock I get what you are trying to get at, but we are a great Big South Conference program.

And where does the Big South rank among the rest of the NCAA? Exactly. Look when we get pasted by Top 25 teams that we at least sort of used to be competitive with. Therefore, we are mediocre.

[NotAJerry]

We are not mediocre. If we were mediocre we would be the middle of the back in the Big South every year. We are a Big South school, until we move up we have to stop acting like we are bigger then we are. Schools in conferences like the Big South do not have much more success then we have had in women's basketball. We have a program that is just about as good as you can expect from a school belonging to a conference like the Big South.

I hate the turnovers and wish that we could be better across the board in all sports, but we are what we are. We are a Big South conference school and that is the first thing recruits see.

So jbock I get what you are trying to get at, but we are a great Big South Conference program. A program that for the most part dominates the conference and then come ncaa time does not do much more then get Liberty's name out there a little bit more. It is what most small conferences in the DI level can expect. Its not mediocrity, its the reality of the level we are at.

Wow this was a freaking long post...sorry about that

Bravo. We're a gigantic fish in a minuscule pond at this point, but that doesn't mean we should be anything more than dominant at the conference level. The Big South is absolutely nothing, even on the regional level, so there's simply a limit to what can be accomplished in such a pitiful league.

[thepostman]

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So jbock I get what you are trying to get at, but we are a great Big South Conference program.

And where does the Big South rank among the rest of the NCAA? Exactly. Look when we get pasted by Top 25 teams that we at least sort of used to be competitive with. Therefore, we are mediocre.

Every now and then we would compete against top 25 teams but never was it a regular occurrence.

[From the class of 09]

Moral of this story is even wbball would benefit from a move up. Let it be so.

[Purple Haize]

Talk about attendance decline, check out the UVA @ Clemson game. Wow

[g-webb1994]

Two things that made me go to both mens and womens hoops games while a student at G-W back in the early 90's...

(1) It was free. Limited funds. 9 times out of 10 back then the women and men played a doubleheader starting at 5:30. Chow in the cafe at 5, followed by two hoops games was the norm. If on a Saturday night, followed by a drive down to Gaffney to the nearest WH for some scattered, smothered, covered, etc., the mere thought of which right now makes me want to hit the Pepcid bottle.

more importantly....

(2) It wasn't just a team out there, I had friends and classmates on both the mens and womens squads. Encouraging words during class about their efforts was one thing, backing it up by being there was important to me anyway.

[sporter]

Liberty is definately not the only school with this issue but I believe there are two main issues that hurt the attendance at the basketball games: 1) The majority of students don't grow up Liberty fans and the teams are not good/flashy enough to get the sports fans excited about going to the games i.e. SEC, ACC,etc (no offense to anyone intended) and 2) the school is too big and spread out to allow for the intimate type of campus setting where the students go to the games because that is what everyone else is doing regardless of their interest. Liberty has somewhat of a big school campus feel without the big school team.

Winning will absolutely help but it won't solve the issue.

[JK37]

hahahaha

UConn in the Vines?? seriously what are you smoking??

I think there was another mid-major team, I cant remember which (maybe somewhere in SC) which did this just this season. Took their whipping on the court but nearly sold-out a 5,000-seat arena. Again, can't remember which mid-major program it was, but the coach who scheduled that one may have been on to something!

[ballcoach15]

Reflections from me:

Women's basketball is the most successful sport at LU (over the years)

Brown and Warley are 2 of best players anywhere

LU needs to bring in big time opponent to Lynchburg. (this goes for every sport)

LU needs to get out of Big South

[jcmanson]

Women's basketball is the most successful sport at LU (over the years)

Track and Field

[ballcoach15]

True, track/field has been good, but I look at that as "Individual more than team" sport, but I may be wrong

[Purple Haize]

Worley is good and Brown isn't too bad either. But the best players anywhere? Does Anywhere end in Gretna? And Somewhere start in Tight Squeeze? The Fighting Blue Hens have arguably the best Women's player in the country. Baylor has a post player who fared rather well against Warley. Do you even watch Women's Basketball outside the Vines Center.
Now if you say they are 2 of the best players in the Big South you would be correct.

As for the rest of your arguments, did you spend all nite thinking about them?

[ballcoach15]

Baylor's post player is best player in country probably. as for Fighting Blue Hen, I have nevr heard of her. Warley and Brown are among best in Big South if not the best. and both are among best in nation in my opinion. I think Brown would be even better if we ran a more up tempo offense.

This board is for comments which are mostly opinions of posters. there is no need for anyone to get bend out of shape because they do not agree with another poster.

[Purple Haize]

Baylor's post player is best player in country probably. as for Fighting Blue Hen, I have nevr heard of her. Warley and Brown are among best in Big South if not the best. and both are among best in nation in my opinion. I think Brown would be even better if we ran a more up tempo offense.

This board is for comments which are mostly opinions of posters. there is no need for anyone to get bend out of shape because they do not agree with another poster.

If you have never heard of Elena Della Donne how can you compare Brown and Warley to her? Tiffany Hayes is pretty good as is Shenise Johnson. Courtney Hart at VCU? Arianna More at UVa? What sample size are you using? You might want more information with which to base you opinion.
I agree that they are 2 of the better players in the Big South. I like Avery for POY and a nice WNBA career. As for Brown in an uptempo style you may be right, but LU's style has not changed in over a decade so she knew what she was getting into.

[flamesfan30]

Delle-Donne. shes had a full ride to UCONN then dropped the sport because it was too much pressure, transferred to U Del (which is much closer to her home) to play volleyball instead, and then they convinced her to go back to basketball this season. shes still a junior.
my dad actually drives a school bus for the high school she went to.