The most successful program on Liberty Mountain deserves its own forum. We give Coach Green and the Lady Flames their props while breaking down their run to the Big Dance once again.

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By jbock13
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nah we've got it now.
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By jbock13
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LU wins 73-65.
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By BJWilliams
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Ladies got it down down the stretch and it looks like three point shooting carried the day
By Chippy
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BJWilliams wrote:Ladies got it down down the stretch and it looks like three point shooting carried the day
It's JBs fault :D
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By jbock13
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jbock13 wrote:LU 36-22 at half.
I blame JB.
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By Purple Haize
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Apparently someone thinksJB was one of the refs!
By ballcoach15
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Big win last night. hopefully we can get #1 seed for tourney.

Having tourney in High Point hurts attendance because of their small gym in my opinion. Plus HP may get help from refs on their home floor. I was told HP has worse gym in Big South.
By JK37
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ballcoach15 wrote:Big win last night. hopefully we can get #1 seed for tourney.

Having tourney in High Point hurts attendance because of their small gym in my opinion. Plus HP may get help from refs on their home floor. I was told HP has worse gym in Big South.
It's not close to worst in BSC. It was never full during last year's WBB tourney. Home cookin by refs is off-set by presence of BSC/ACC Coordinator of Officials Charlene Curtis. If refs present want to move up to ACC, they don't deliver home cookin' in front of Boss Lady.

I hate whiners.

What's your next illogical gripe?
By Chippy
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ballcoach15 wrote:Big win last night. hopefully we can get #1 seed for tourney.

Having tourney in High Point hurts attendance because of their small gym in my opinion. Plus HP may get help from refs on their home floor. I was told HP has worse gym in Big South.
Coastal's and CSUs are smaller than most HS gyms. They each seat @ 1000 or less.
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By jbock13
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Yeah HP's gym is actually perfect for Big South basketball.
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By Purple Haize
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So what ballcoach is advocating is what he is against. If LU makes it to the tournament final as a#1 seed would there be a bigger crowd at HP or LU? Hmmmm.
As for the 'home cooking', what a cop out. Considering the person who assigns the games also assigns ACC/Colonial/Southern/Big South and was a former D1 coach herself, it is just another one of your arguments that hold absolutely no water. But at least you are trying!
Now, ifJB were assigning officials, you would find support for your argument by some on this board!
By ballcoach15
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I do not know who assigns Big South refs for regular season, but the worst call I have ever seen in high school or college came in the Vines Center when we were playing Radford about 3 seasons ago. (mens game)
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By jbock13
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ballcoach15 wrote:I do not know who assigns Big South refs for regular season, but the worst call I have ever seen in high school or college came in the Vines Center when we were playing Radford about 3 seasons ago. (mens game)
I remember that game. Yeah the refs stink, but their just humans.

You've coached for 40 years right? Wonder how many technicals you've gotten lol
By Chad4Life
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ballcoach15 wrote:Big win last night. hopefully we can get #1 seed for tourney.

Having tourney in High Point hurts attendance because of their small gym in my opinion. Plus HP may get help from refs on their home floor. I was told HP has worse gym in Big South.
As a High Point fan, I'm so thankful for the home court advantage last during that semifinal game and the help the officials gave. Without that help, it might have been a 40 point loss. Thank you, cowed and spineless officials.

And IIRC correctly, the semifinal game at High Point last year was basically half full if that, even though 1)One of the participants was the home team (High Point) and 2)the 2nd participant was the #1 seed and the powerhouse of the conference (Liberty.) I believe High Point's students were on break last season, so maybe there would have been more if the tournament was scheduled the week prior, but I doubt the gym would have been filled. And maybe if the game had been played in Liberty, there would have been more people attending (but I doubt it would have been as many as the men's championship game that I went to in 2003(?--I'm getting old) where Liberty routed High Point.

Overall, the attendance at the Big South women's tournament is not going to be great because frankly, a lot of people don't care about it, just as they might not care about women's soccer or baseball or whatever. There's more interest in men's basketball, for better or worse and no matter how hard ESPN tries to shove it down people's throats. I appreciate the effort. I've tried to follow High Point's women's basketball through the years. As a young boy, I attended the championship game of the AIAW Division II in Florence, SC in 1978 when High Point won. But no matter what the situation, for the most part attendance at the men's game is going to be greater than the women's.


If Liberty was hosting the tournament this year and the finals ended up being Charleston Southern versus Presbyterian, I don't believe I would have to look for a scalper to get a ticket, just as I don't think I would have to find one if the same matchup occured at High Point. A larger venue may increase the attendance, but in all likelihood only if one of the participants is a local squad, and probably wouldn't increase as much as one might think.

It was said of the former Dallas Cowboy running back Walt Garrison, if you needed 4 yards and gave Walt the ball, he'd get you 4 yards. And if you needed 20 yards and you gave him the ball, he'd get you 4 yards. Moving the women's tournament from an 1800 seat facility to a 6000 to 8000 seat facility ain't going to increase the attendance too much, if at all, just based upon the facility itself.

I apologize for the rant. Congratulations to Liberty for the win last night. You are still the team to beat in the conference. I hope that High Point can pick up the pieces after a disappointing 2 game homestand. Maybe a 3rd game will be played later this season.
By Chad4Life
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And I'll clarify one thing--I would like to see High Point get a better arena. Unfortunately, when they rebuilt the old one in the early 1990's, they could have done so much more with it than what they did. I have a feeling in the next year or two, there will be an announcement for a new arena. Other projects have taken priority.

Frankly, for watching a game, the gym itself doesn't bother me. It's not as good as Winthrop's or Liberty's, but I've never gone to a game there and said "Man, I had a lousy time there because the gym's inadequate." The product on the court has a greater effect.

The biggest thing I'd like to see is more restrooms and additional concession areas. I'll allow High Point to determine how many additional seats they'd like to add and the style of the arena as well.
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By Purple Haize
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ballcoach15 wrote:I do not know who assigns Big South refs for regular season, but the worst call I have ever seen in high school or college came in the Vines Center when we were playing Radford about 3 seasons ago. (mens game)
Ironically it is the same person who assigns them for the post season. And if that Radford call was the worst you have seen then you don't watch a lot of basketball. The worst calls have nothing to do about judgement
By olldflame
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There is no way the size of the venue at HP will limit attendance in the tourney. The conference will be exctatic if they can fill 2/3 of the seats for the final.
By ballcoach15
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For the record I never got a "T" in 15 years on the bench, nor a yellow flag in football, nor an ejection in baseball. I know what to say and what not to say. Also I have wore the whistle myself for about 3 years. I know a bad call when I see one, or a non call when I see one.

As for tournament venues, I may be a "homer", but he only venue in Big South for both mens and womens tourney is Vines Center, Lynchburg , VA
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By Purple Haize
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ballcoach15 wrote:For the record I never got a "T" in 15 years on the bench, nor a yellow flag in football, nor an ejection in baseball. I know what to say and what not to say. Also I have wore the whistle myself for about 3 years. I know a bad call when I see one, or a non call when I see one.

As for tournament venues, I may be a "homer", but he only venue in Big South for both mens and womens tourney is Vines Center, Lynchburg , VA
Your last statement may be the most logical thing you have ever said !

But having been an official for only 3 years by no means makes you an expert.
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By jbock13
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But cmon Haize, that call in the Radford game 3 years ago was one of the worst calls ever, seriously.
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By jbock13
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But cmon Haize, that call in the Radford game 3 years ago was one of the worst calls ever, seriously.
By Chippy
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ballcoach15 wrote:For the record I never got a "T" in 15 years on the bench, nor a yellow flag in football, nor an ejection in baseball. I know what to say and what not to say. Also I have wore the whistle myself for about 3 years. I know a bad call when I see one, or a non call when I see one.

As for tournament venues, I may be a "homer", but he only venue in Big South for both mens and womens tourney is Vines Center, Lynchburg , VA
:nod :nod :nod
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By Purple Haize
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jbock13 wrote:But cmon Haize, that call in the Radford game 3 years ago was one of the worst calls ever, seriously.
Saying it twice doesn't make it more true!
There were worse calls last year in the Big East Big Ten and NCAA Tournaments. Although those calls don't fit the ' homer' narrative.
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By BJWilliams
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No matter the officiating, both sides should have worked around it and found ways to overcome it. HPU got it down to a 4 point game late but didnt hit the shots they needed to and LU hit their free throws late. Theyll probably meet again in the championship game in about a month
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