What is going on?

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Re: What is going on?

Post by thepostman » January 11th, 2019, 9:58 am

JK37 wrote:
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JK37 wrote:Mike McGuire can flat out COACH. Very good staff as a whole. I’d be a little surprised if he was interested in LU. But if he wins Big South this year, his process there is complete, so he’d be ready for a new one. LU has better $$$, better facilities, more staff, etc.

Radford has not surpassed Liberty as a program. A 1-year regression by LU is what we’re seeing. And it could very well turn into more than an anomaly. But LU was in the NCAA Tournament last year. When did Radford last appear?

ASUN is absolutely a better women’s conference than Big South.
I don't view this as a 1 year regression so I guess that is why it appears to me that Radford has surpassed us
Fair enough. What do you view it as?
My view is we have been trending downward for years now and it has finally caught up to Green. We have all of the resources in the world but that doesn't matter. Currently there are many programs better than ours, including Radford and most of the ASun, because we refuse to move on from a coach who is only around because of his sweet 16 run nearly 20 years ago.

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Post by ballcoach15 » January 11th, 2019, 10:13 am

I concur. Our talent has slowly declined over the past few years. I have said for years we need a dynamic shooter, who can be a threat to score 20 points every night. It seems we try to win with rebounding, rather than shooting. To win, you must put ball in basket.

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Post by Jonathan Carone » January 11th, 2019, 11:05 am

oldflame wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:Here’s a question for you:

If I said you had to bet a significant amount of money one way or the other, would you bet that Carey will win an ASun title at some point or will never win an ASun title?
I don't know if your question was for the board or aimed at someone in particular, but my bet would be no as long as Smesko is at FGCU.
It was for the board. I think it's an interesting thought experiment.

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Re: What is going on?

Post by BJWilliams » January 11th, 2019, 3:28 pm

I'll address both thought experiments:

1) I'm more of Coach JKs mindset that this is merely a regression given how we were (even in down years) a big fish in a small pond in the Big South. Of the 20 NCAA autobids since he took over prior to the move to the ASUN, Liberty won 15 of them. Of the 20 regular season titles, Liberty again won 15. Liberty lost more than 2 conference games only twice (prior to his arrival Liberty Liberty had 5 seasons with more than 2 conference losses). That said...
2) I doubt HCCG wins an ASUN title. This regression this year could be the proverbial "straw that broke.the camel's back". If I'm IM, I basically sit down with him and give him a chance to "retire" and craft the release accordingly because I wouldn't have the patience to wait through another 2-4 years adjusting to a different conference. I think we need to reboot the women's basketball program much like RMK has rebooted the men's program.
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Re: What is going on?

Post by PAFlame » January 12th, 2019, 3:48 pm

I truly don’t think they force Green out. They may even let him destroy the program just as he built it. Outside of Baker, does this team have any even borderline Division I quality players that are currently playing and not injured or have transferred?

No reason why with the resources and facilities we have that we should not have a team that can go to the NCAA Tournamenr literally every year (based on the conference we are in). It hasn’t gotten to Dale Layer levels of incompetence, but it will get there if we let this go on for the next few years.

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Post by Purple Haize » January 12th, 2019, 3:52 pm

PAFlame wrote:I truly don’t think they force Green out. They may even let him destroy the program just as he built it. Outside of Baker, does this team have any even borderline Division I quality players that are currently playing and not injured or have transferred?

No reason why with the resources and facilities we have that we should not have a team that can go to the NCAA Tournamenr literally every year (based on the conference we are in). It hasn’t gotten to Dale Layer levels of incompetence, but it will get there if we let this go on for the next few years.
This is the first year in the ASUN. Prior to that he did a pretty good job of getting LU to the Tournament during his tenure
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Post by Sly Fox » January 12th, 2019, 5:03 pm

There is no question that if Keyen were on the floor we would be having a better season than what we are experiencing now. I respect what Coach Green has done for the university over the years.

On a side note, I think it shows a bit of disrespect to Coach Reeves when we talk about how Coach Green built this program. He did take it to its apex but the foundation had already been built when he took the reins.

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Post by thepostman » January 12th, 2019, 5:23 pm

Agreed.

He did a great job sustaining over the years but he certainly didnt build the program.

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Post by Purple Haize » January 12th, 2019, 5:25 pm

Sly Fox wrote:There is no question that if Keyen were on the floor we would be having a better season than what we are experiencing now. I respect what Coach Green has done for the university over the years.

On a side note, I think it shows a bit of disrespect to Coach Reeves when we talk about how Coach Green built this program. He did take it to its apex but the foundation had already been built when he took the reins.
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Post by ballcoach15 » January 12th, 2019, 8:00 pm

Speaking of Assistants, it was good to see Monica Wright today.

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Post by Cider Jim » January 12th, 2019, 8:44 pm

ballcoach15 wrote:Speaking of Assistants, it was good to see Monica Wright today.
Ballcoach has a major CRUSH on this girl. :denied
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Re: What is going on?

Post by flamehunter » January 13th, 2019, 8:54 am

I'm just going to leave this here:
http://www.uu.edu/news/release.cfm?ID=2608

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Post by oldflame » January 13th, 2019, 9:51 am

flamehunter wrote:I'm just going to leave this here:
http://www.uu.edu/news/release.cfm?ID=2608
:shock: :shock:
We may have a winner 8)

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Re: What is going on?

Post by cruzan_flame13 » January 13th, 2019, 9:52 am

Cider Jim wrote:
ballcoach15 wrote:Speaking of Assistants, it was good to see Monica Wright today.
Ballcoach has a major CRUSH on this girl. :denied
He should know that her ex was Kevin Durant. Yes the professional basket ball player :D

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Post by Cider Jim » January 13th, 2019, 11:51 am

Believe me, he knows! He's been coached up on that from his number 1 source.
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Re: What is going on?

Post by cruzan_flame13 » January 13th, 2019, 12:44 pm

flamehunter wrote:I'm just going to leave this here:
http://www.uu.edu/news/release.cfm?ID=2608
He loves a Christ- centered university? McCaw write a check for this guy!!! But how about Green’s assistants though?

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Re: What is going on?

Post by Purple Haize » January 13th, 2019, 1:01 pm

Is the LU job open?
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Re: What is going on?

Post by oldflame » January 13th, 2019, 1:32 pm

Purple Haize wrote:Is the LU job open?
Ahhhhh, the overt rhetorical question.

There clearly are people who think it should be. Some who think it should have been years ago. We discussed possible replacements for both Layer and Gill for years before a change was announced.

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Post by Purple Haize » January 13th, 2019, 1:46 pm

oldflame wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:Is the LU job open?
Ahhhhh, the overt rhetorical question.

There clearly are people who think it should be. Some who think it should have been years ago. We discussed possible replacements for both Layer and Gill for years before a change was announced.
Haha. Yeah it was. At least with those two there were threads dedicated to possible replacements and discussions that were specific. Here there just seem to be a lot of vagaries
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Post by rogers3 » January 13th, 2019, 2:21 pm

flamehunter wrote:I'm just going to leave this here:
http://www.uu.edu/news/release.cfm?ID=2608
Wow...and not a D3 team, either. Certainly not suggesting replacement, but nice to see that there are possibilities for the future.

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Post by Class of 20Something » January 13th, 2019, 2:51 pm

oldflame wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:Is the LU job open?
Ahhhhh, the overt rhetorical question.

There clearly are people who think it should be. Some who think it should have been years ago. We discussed possible replacements for both Layer and Gill for years before a change was announced.
I still have to break the mindset of being ready to move on from Gill.
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Post by JK37 » January 13th, 2019, 7:57 pm

Class act. And evidence of what can be done when the ball gets rolling at those levels. But if you think the gap is wide in D1 WBB between the have’s and have not’s, you haven’t seen anything until you see D2 and NAIA. Just saying.

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Post by Purple Haize » January 13th, 2019, 8:09 pm

JK37 wrote:Class act. And evidence of what can be done when the ball gets rolling at those levels. But if you think the gap is wide in D1 WBB between the have’s and have not’s, you haven’t seen anything until you see D2 and NAIA. Just saying.
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Post by rogers3 » January 13th, 2019, 8:29 pm

Purple Haize wrote:
JK37 wrote:Class act. And evidence of what can be done when the ball gets rolling at those levels. But if you think the gap is wide in D1 WBB between the have’s and have not’s, you haven’t seen anything until you see D2 and NAIA. Just saying.
Amen Hallelujah and pass the offering plate.
it seems like we are playing at a D2 level right now, so...

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Re: What is going on?

Post by Cider Jim » January 13th, 2019, 9:12 pm

Our star point guard from Mississippi hurt her ankle Saturday and is out indefinitely. :medic :stretcher
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