A Sea Of Red

Ran across this article about a new training device that seems to be paying dividends for those who have embraced it.

http://www.noahbasketball.com/

http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/knox_noah.asp

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industrie ... all-_x.htm

Also, with the seasonal success of the Winthrop team, this article may shed some light on why the team is reaping a windfall performance against Tennessee in the tournament. They used a different product, but seems the extra effort has paid off quite nicely.

http://www.winthropeagles.com/default.a ... ry&id=1967

Though basketball is a ways away, anybody also see these articles; Any opinions?

There are these types of gimmicks floating all over the place. I believe we use something called THE GUN . It is like a full size pop a shot that passes you the ball. Same concept. Rick Mount, for you old farts out there, patented the first of these types of shooting systems.
BTW, will we see a Peter Parker/Spider-Man informercial on this late at nite on the Liberty Channel? All I want is free shipping and one payment knocked off if I ORDER NOW!!!

Iremeber Rick Mount from the old ABA. Goofy short-shorts and way too many set shots.

As for the device, D Edcil is dead on. Pretty much every school uses one of these type devices.

The NOAH device seems to actually be something that could actually improve your shot through adjusting mechanics to the most efficient possible whereas the others improve the player through mere repetition; if you shoot the ball in a less than efficient manner 1 or 1000 times, you'll just be able to be that much better at shooting in a less than efficient manner.

Also, the work ethic of the guy from Winthrop--500 made shots a day...that's pretty hardcore.

HERE'S YOUR CLUE!!!

Sly Fox wrote:Iremeber Rick Mount from the old ABA. Goofy short-shorts and way too many set shots.

As for the device, D Edcil is dead on. Pretty much every school uses one of these type devices.

Actually Rick jumped some on his shot!!
As for 500 shots a day, that is not all that hard core if you have one of these types of machines. Most of your "shooting" workouts that are worth anything will give you about 250 to 500 shot and should take not much more then an hour. If you want to learn how to shoot, I have both Steve Alford and Mounts shooting work outs available. Pretty easy stuff, just takes time (Cue rolling stones music)

Taking 500 shots wouldn't necessarily take that long but not leaving the gym until you had made 500 buckets is quite another beast and to repeat this everyday does lend some credence as to a piece of the puzzle that made them pretty good this year. If you make 50% of your shots, then he's taking at least 1000 or more times 5 days a week, times 12 weeks to equal what, about 30,000 made buckets on 60,000 attempts--probably not able to lift the remote after that. Just saying that the extra work effort in the summer paid off handsomely for them this year, that's all.

How did it pay off handsomely? They were picked to go undefeated in the conference and lost 3 games and they lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament. How did they do anything different this year than in years past?

Shooting that many shots isn't a huge deal. Yes, repetition is key but stressing 500 made shots everyday is a little much.

They did give Tennessee a run for their money though, and a half second was the difference between goat and glory...they did lose but they also made a few waves with how they hung with Tennessee (debate about whether TN deserved to be seeded so high notwithstanding.)

PeterParker wrote:They did give Tennessee a run for their money though, and a half second was the difference between goat and glory...they did lose but they also made a few waves with how they hung with Tennessee (debate about whether TN deserved to be seeded so high notwithstanding.)

Two things Spidey

1. If I am not mistaken, it was two missed OPEN jump shots that "cost" WU the game. Not a great testimonial for your shooting machine.
2. How much did a shooting machine have to do with the Tennessee game plan? Marshall "Look fella's, we aren't going to work on their pressurd D, I just want each of you to spend 2 hours with the NOAH!"

PeterParker wrote:They did give Tennessee a run for their money though, and a half second was the difference between goat and glory...they did lose but they also made a few waves with how they hung with Tennessee (debate about whether TN deserved to be seeded so high notwithstanding.)

Acutally, I saw everyone from experts to idiots pick WU over UT. It was common knowledge that WU coul play with UT any day of the week and could easily win the game. Nobody would have been shocked to see them win. But they did what they were expected to do.

Okay, in the interest of full disclosure, I should clarify that it is not my machine nor do I hold any stock in the company (they passed on my design--see below)...but the NOAH thing does look like something that could work...did you have a chance to read the article about the NOAH? It seems to have helped the Mavs, although I'll allow that the team could already probably shoot well. Just bring light to something that thought some might find interesting.


Also, I think my "machine" would be a mop in a bucket--just shoot over the handle...maybe I could sell them on QVC or Ebay...off to become the next American Inventor...

Peter,

Do you have any coupons for your machine. I'd like to try using it. Is it best to get it online or do you have a Noah store locally.

Look for it in your local "As Seen On TV" store...

SuperJon wrote:How did it pay off handsomely? They were picked to go undefeated in the conference and lost 3 games and they lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament. How did they do anything different this year than in years past?

Shooting that many shots isn't a huge deal. Yes, repetition is key but stressing 500 made shots everyday is a little much.

To give this thread a new perspective, that WU article regarding the 'Gun' was written during the 2004-2005 season, when WU was picked to finish 3rd or 4th and ran away w/ the conference, going 15-1. Phillip Williams wasn't a big contributor his freshman year, but after using the gun, he shot around 45% from behind the arc his sophomore year and was a key part of the team, especially late in the year (and also had a big game against Gonzaga)...Now he didn't play nearly as well this past season...Who knows if he kept the same routine during last summer or not...so it is hard to attribute anything from this just finished season to the Gun, whether good or bad...

Ok, that changes the article quite a bit. I still don't think it was one machine that made a huge difference with Winthrop in basketball.

SuperJon wrote:Ok, that changes the article quite a bit. I still don't think it was one machine that made a huge difference with Winthrop in basketball.

Me neither, though it probably doesn't hurt either...And it really seemed to help Williams, even though I was hoping to see another big improvement this past year too...

Would be interested in seeing the colorful opinions on the NOAH concept and the supposed backup data with the Maverics and the many other college teams that have purchased them...before a post at least read the article to see the concept behind it. Also, I think the guys that created are christians--hence the name NOAH.

PeterParker wrote:Would be interested in seeing the colorful opinions on the NOAH concept and the supposed backup data with the Maverics and the many other college teams that have purchased them...before a post at least read the article to see the concept behind it. Also, I think the guys that created are christians--hence the name NOAH.

Ahhh well if it is Christian it must be better! At least that is what Falwell says. I have read the article, and I am sure there is some benefit too it. I am just not sure how that translates into the success at Winthrop. Better shooting, probably, better record, doubt it.
Here is an interesting posit: Even with all these new gizmo's out there, why is the shooting percentage getting worse? Let 's think of all the great shooters in the past:
Larry Bird Glenn Rice
Rick Mount Ray Allen
Steve Alford Mitch Richmond
Pete Maravich (all around stud) Dale Ellis
Jeff Lebo
Ranzeno Smith
Hersey Hawkins
Jerry West
Mark Price/Rodney Monroe
Bevo Francis
None of these guys who were better shooters then just about anyone today (JJ is the exception) used these things.

Fair point, gadgets don't make a player; case in point, kids playing soccer in other underprivileged countries developing phenomenal skill with coconuts and other makeshift items...just an interesting use of technology in the athletic arena...and the NOAH points were not meant to be connected to Winthrop, just a parallel.

PeterParker wrote:Fair point, gadgets don't make a player; case in point, kids playing soccer in other underprivileged countries developing phenomenal skill with coconuts and other makeshift items...just an interesting use of technology in the athletic arena...and the NOAH points were not meant to be connected to Winthrop, just a parallel.

It s ok, nothing but love on this forum!!! It just seemed dubious when you said that this NOAH was why LU should pay attention. They have their "Gun" and that is the same thing. Obviously, judging by our 3pt% it doesnt work though LOL

It was one of my first posts, needed an eye-catching threadline...it's been good getting other perspectives on the whole idea anyway. Appreciate the love...cool to see that so many are passionate about the ol' alma mater.

Welcome to the forum. Watch out that Brokeback doesn't sneak up behind ya!

I have looked at the Gun before and would LOVE to have one of those for my team. Spending $4000 on a shooting machine just isn't in the budget though. I don't think the NOAH machine is worth $5000. I can see the advantages of NOAH at the high college and pro levels, but the GUN seems much more practical and effective at developing a good jump shot in the high school and lower end college levels.

If anyone knows of someone wanting to get rid of a GUN, I would love to get my hands on one!!