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Dunton's coaching
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 4:28 pm
by kel varson
Everyone accuses Dunton of not making players better or being lax in player development.
Care to elaborate.
I'm not defending him, I thought it was time for change, but the accusations seem vague. It seems to me the players have a lot to do with not making themselves better.

Posted: May 31st, 2007, 4:32 pm
by The Rock
Boy is this out of the blue. Is it to late to delete this before a wild fire breaks loose!
At some point we have to let the past go. If your a supporter of Coach Dunton then you feel he was treated unfair, well the matter of fact is life's unfair. If you didnt support Dunton then you feel like the right move was made. Either way we need to move on and this is only a cancer that we need to cure now. There are many that did support him (as they should have because he was appointed a head coaching position at a University you support) yet still feel the right move was made. Remember the words of the leader in the Athletic Department there is more to it than wins and losses.
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 4:36 pm
by JDUB
i think we should leave the past in the past. lets talk about what mckay can do instead of what dunton couldn't
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 4:36 pm
by thepostman
I am with the rock on this one....this has been talked to to death....i think if you look through threads you can see where everybody stands....
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 4:49 pm
by SuperJon
To answer your question on player development: Name one player that got better from their freshman year to whatever year they were at the change. You can't do it.
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 4:50 pm
by The Rock
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
You're giving in!
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 4:56 pm
by SuperJon
He asked a question, I gave an answer. I didn't rip the guy (which, after stuff that's coming out, it's very easy to do) but gave an answer.
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 6:12 pm
by thesportscritic
lets not open this can of worms again. Its all about Mckay now.
Re: Dunton's coaching
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 6:33 pm
by El Scorcho
kel varson wrote:Everyone accuses Dunton of...
People are still talking about that guy? Pffft. That is sooooooo February.
Boooooooooooring.
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 6:36 pm
by paradox
SuperJon wrote:To answer your question on player development: Name one player that got better from their freshman year to whatever year they were at the change. You can't do it.
Anthony Smith, without a doubt.
Big Russ Monroe seems to have improved each year. And even you have acknowledged this.
Larry Blair really did improve from year to year. It's just hard sometimes to see it that way because he was surrounded by so many team-oriented players during his freshman year: Gabe Martin, Brian Woodson, Ryan Mantlo, and Jason Sarchet. LB's shooting % improved every year despite being the constant focus of the offense. I would have loved to have seen LB as a senior playing with Martin, Dees, Mantlo, Woodson, Sarchet and Sneed.
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 7:16 pm
by Sly Fox
I'm not sure this is a productive discussion. Personally I am appreciative to Coach Dunton for his hard work for the school and program.
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 7:23 pm
by paradox
Agreed.
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 8:05 pm
by SuperJon
If you thought Smitty was better (other than just physical growth) this year than his freshman year you're crazy.
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 8:06 pm
by jcmanson
Sly, I'm right with you. I am very appreciative to Dunton for his time and hard work spent at and for Liberty, but he is not here anymore. McKay is.
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 8:13 pm
by SuperJon
But see, the thing is, you can't just move on from someone like that. You are left with what he created and left to have to deal with things, behind the scenes, that can make anyone with even the smallest knowledge of NCAA rules cringe.
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 8:35 pm
by paradox
SuperJon wrote:If you thought Smitty was better (other than just physical growth) this year than his freshman year you're crazy.
Am I?
Smith went from a 37% shooter from the field to 49% shooter last year! He improved from 28% from behind the arc to 39%. And he improved his assist to turnover ratio from -.04 to +1.0.
Without a doubt, these are radically drastic improvements.
If you spent more time watching the game rather than Dunton, then you most likely would have noticed it. It was kinda hard to miss

Posted: May 31st, 2007, 8:38 pm
by SuperJon
Ok, I'll give you that his numbers are better. I wasn't looking at simply numbers (as dumb as that sounds). There were games last year where Anthony Smith was nowhere to be found.
Russ has improved more in the past few months than he did in the past three years. Smitty has gotten so much better lately it's flat out scary.
We're going to be good.
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 8:38 pm
by paradox
SuperJon wrote:But see, the thing is, you can't just move on from someone like that. You are left with what he created and left to have to deal with things, behind the scenes, that can make anyone with even the smallest knowledge of NCAA rules cringe.
Sounds like a personal problem.
I'd like to help you, but , I'm almost certain that the university provides counseling for that

Re: Dunton's coaching
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 9:06 pm
by El Scorcho
El Scorcho wrote:Boooooooooooring.
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 9:08 pm
by JDUB
first football game is in 13 weeks and 2 days

Posted: May 31st, 2007, 9:36 pm
by paradox
It's time to impose the "Dunton gag order."
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 9:38 pm
by SuperJon
Good luck. With the stuff that's going to come out, we'll be talking about him for a while.
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 9:49 pm
by TDDance234
Without a doubt, these are radically drastic improvements.
For what it's worth, and not that Dunton didn't have anything to do with this, but McKay is calling Anthony a "pro" right now. Surely, thats a combination of putting some confidence and talking up the players but that is certainly high praise for Mr. Smith.
Posted: May 31st, 2007, 10:23 pm
by jmdickens
SuperJon wrote:Good luck. With the stuff that's going to come out, we'll be talking about him for a while.
All I want to hear is thanks

Posted: May 31st, 2007, 10:40 pm
by paradox
Prediction: Your percieved vindication will elude you
