[paradox]

...

[A.G.]

[jmdickens]

'94: Dunton was assistant head coach and main recruiting coach when LU earned its first trip to the NCAA's and gave #1 UNC a very tough game that put LU in the center of the media spotlight .
-95: The same thing happened with another small conference team, ugh Gonzaga....a year after we did it and look who is now ahead. Mark Few
anyone?

'96-97: LU cut a deal with the devil:Of course, the Big South made sure that we would never actually win the final as every LU semi-final was scheduled late Friday and the game would end around midnight and LU would come out flat the next morning for the final, televised on ESPN-2 around noon.
-You blame the Big South for us losing??? They might have some bias, but
that is more ridiculous than Donald Trumps hair

98': Dunton was installed as interim coach, went up to Charlottesville with only 7 scholarship players and took down UVA, excecuting his game paln to perfection as the undersized flames played 4 or 5 gaurds for most of the game.
-let's recap UVA that season
-lost to Australian National team, The Court Authority(wow), Richmond, to
Duke by 50!!, New Mexico St, and was 4-13 in conference play
-Jeff Jones was 135-85 before that season/he went 11-17 that year and
was replaced by Pete Gillen.
-I am not knocking the LU win, but let's be honest and remember how bad
UVA was

'04: In his true first year back, and in his first true recruiting year, Dunton does the unthinkable: LU earns its second trip to the NCAA's with Dunton/Binghamton transfer Gabe Martin, Dunton freshman recruits Blair and Dees, and Dunton walk-on Woodson leading the way.
-the walk-on Woodson was a walk-on because he came so late into the
recruiting process. Do not use that word, b/c he has been one of the
better Lu pg's
-down year for WU, and Birmingham Southern was ineligible to play in the
conference tournament. Were they really #1 in the BS.

'05: LU loses its main leader to graduation: Gabe Martin! We have a down year, but oddly, still feel the residuals from the Hankinson years and lack junior/senior leadership
-I think Woodson, Leo Lightbourne would disagree to that.
- since 2003-2004, no players have stayed around long enough to be
effective senior leaders.......wonder why

'06: LU rebuilds again, and starts off with a solid recruiting class: Smith, Holland, Baker. Also, in a very down year, Dunton finds a way to out-coach Greg Marshall and steal a game from the mid-major powerhouse and begin the process of building his team's confidence heading into the next year.
-we played a great game; but remember, you make excuses why we lose on the road in the BS to claim it is a strong conference. WU can't lose on the
road??

'07: LU adds Brewington, Jenkins, and McLean, and we should make a solid late run at the conference tournement this year. It's not about where you start out or where you are by mid-season, but where you finish in the end. This is a team game and anyone who understands knows that it takes time for a new group to come together as a team, and I have no doubt that our best games will be on the final laps of this race.
-Brew, McClean, Baker have been here since last January
-Blair, Monroe, Porter, Smith, Holland were here all last season
-Jenkins, Jones, Ohman, and Winters are the new guys.

Mediocre might work for you paradox, but not for the rest of us LU fans
It's now only a matter of time

[SuperJon]

I'm not here to talk about the past.


[/McGwire]

[jmdickens]

hahahahahaha

[A.G.]

Ken Karcher, in a brilliant bit of coaching, led his charges in a furious 4th quarter rally as the Flames can from behind to defeat VMI on homecoming.

Mel Hankinson's led squad made national headlines going into conference play as LU had rebounded from an RPI in the 300's to bring his charges to a high of 36 in the RPI.

Yes, we can ALL PLAY SPIN DOCTOR.

[Purple Haize]

I'm not here to talk about the past.


[/McGwire]

That is funny all day long. I wonder if we will hear that quote anytime in the near future.

Also, PLEASE, when discussing our conference finishes dont forget Birmingham Southern. It sucks for them to wait so long to be "eligible" for the NCAA tournament but than go DIII. OUCH> I remeber during one BSC Tourney they interviewed either the AD or COach from BSC about how it felt to win the regular season, but not be able to play in the tournament. So in Barbara Hersheyesque fashion, let's be fair

[SuperJon]

Man, AG must've thrown away his entire thing of Kool Aid.

[A.G.]

Man, AG must've thrown away his entire thing of Kool Aid.

AG is a person of passion and loyalty. If that loyalty is compromised, and is has been with the relevance of some information that AG was made aware of, then AG is off board. Most of all, AG is a person of reason, one who will try to be not unlike Paul in Athens, in an attempt to reason with people who worship the wrong thing. Call it an awakening, if you will, but AG was on the wrong side of the force, and was totally sucked in by the Dark Side. AG underestimated the power of the Dark Side, and has now seen the light--the good side of the force.

[JDUB]

so yeah, he threw away the koolaid

[paradox]

I guess we'll see where things are by season's end. If this team comes completely apart, then they'll have to make a move... but I see no signs of that now and think that it is unlikely that it will happen.

Say what you want fellas. Bring in a new guy and most of the young talent transfers. We bring in a new guy and we crash and burn what we've got and rebuild and start from scratch and never know what could have been. What's more, a new guy could easliy set us back another 4 or 5 years or possibly even longer. Dunton is the perfect fit for now. He brings in talent and he has proven that he can win. Given the circumstances and past history as indicated earlier, the man has the tendancy to overachieve more often than underachieve.

Ups and downs are a part of life. And in order to succeed, you need to learn from your failures. The final chapter on this team will not be written until the end of the season, although I'm sure some of you would rather have it otherwise.

[A.G.]

Dunton is the perfect fit for now. he has proven that he can win.

Now that is the ultimate paradox. What is his career record as a college head coach? Don't just throw out to me the conference record, what is his total record? As I said earlier, if Marshall can turn Wintrop around, there is no reason why a coach, especially given the funding and the admission standards, cannot turn around the Flames into a similar program.

[jmdickens]

if he is a proven winner, why are we having this discussion???

Because he isn't winning

[SuperJon]

Bring in a new guy and most of the young talent transfers.

That's just dumb.

[paradox]

Guys, it would be great if we could bring in a new coach and wave the magic wand and head straight to the sweet sixteen, but it's just not reality.

The fact remains: Dunton has had his hand in on every major success in the history of this program. I know you don't wanna here it, but it's true.

It's hard to compare LU to Winthrop because they are in a major metro area: Charlotte. And there is a strong basketball tradition there beyond Winthrop. They had 5K last night; they don't even have 5k enrolled in their university. LU is in Lynchburg, enough said.

LU remains a hard sell to recruits as well as to up and coming coaches, regardless of whatever money that you imagine LU has or any evaluation of the acedemic standards here. It takes a special coach and a special athlete to succeed here. In my estimation, Dunton is the best man for the job in this situation at this time. He's gotten it done before, and he'll get it done again. And did I mention that this season is not over yet.

If ya wanna go and quit on LU, then go ahead. As for Dunton, there is no quit in the man; he's a fighter.

[SuperJon]

It's hard to compare LU to Winthrop because they are in a major metro area: Charlotte.

Wrong. Rock Hill is Charlotte's arm pit. Until this year, Winthrop got absolutely no coverage in Charlotte.

Keep making excuses, but the fact still remains that we sucked last year and we've lost 8 straight games this year. Make whatever excuse you want, but the last time I checked, that's not good.

[JDUB]

so paradox, how many more years of mediocrity do we have to watch before you decide we need a new coach? or are you happy with the way the team is now, because i don't see it improving much without a coaching change

[WinthropEagleFan]

It's hard to compare LU to Winthrop because they are in a major metro area: Charlotte.

Wrong. Rock Hill is Charlotte's arm pit. Until this year, Winthrop got absolutely no coverage in Charlotte.

Keep making excuses, but the fact still remains that we sucked last year and we've lost 8 straight games this year. Make whatever excuse you want, but the last time I checked, that's not good.

C'mon now SuperJon, Gastonia is Charlotte's armpit.

[jmdickens]

hmm.....paradox.....I am trying to understand your posts, but it's too funny......

Just keep waiting, things will change...blah,blah,blah

I am not quitting on this team, but it appears the coach already did

[SuperJon]

It's hard to compare LU to Winthrop because they are in a major metro area: Charlotte.

Wrong. Rock Hill is Charlotte's arm pit. Until this year, Winthrop got absolutely no coverage in Charlotte.

Keep making excuses, but the fact still remains that we sucked last year and we've lost 8 straight games this year. Make whatever excuse you want, but the last time I checked, that's not good.

C'mon now SuperJon, Gastonia is Charlotte's armpit.

Right, Gastonia is one arm, Rock Hill is the other.

[JDUB]

thats pretty funny

[paradox]

...

[SuperJon]

Name the last team that lost a lot of players by a coaching change.

Oklahoma?
Indiana?
LU football?
Coastal last year?
NC State?
Tennessee last year?


Yea, I'm still trying to figure out what team you're talking about.

How much do the players really support the coach though? Do you know for a fact that they do? They're obviously not playing with the defensive intensity that Coach Dunton teaches so they're not listening to that. They're turning the ball over way too much so they're not listening to him in terms of that. If they're not listening, are they supporting him?

Oh yea, way to use me being young as an excuse for you. Good job on that one.

[paradox]

Name the last team that lost a lot of players by a coaching change.

Oklahoma?
Indiana?
LU football?
Coastal last year?
NC State?
Tennessee last year?


Yea, I'm still trying to figure out what team you're talking about.

How much do the players really support the coach though? Do you know for a fact that they do? They're obviously not playing with the defensive intensity that Coach Dunton teaches so they're not listening to that. They're turning the ball over way too much so they're not listening to him in terms of that. If they're not listening, are they supporting him?

Oh yea, way to use me being young as an excuse for you. Good job on that one.

This is not Oklahoma or Indiana and we are not talking about football or some other sport. This is basketball and this is LU, and trust me their is a difference among sports, levels, and schools.

This is basketball and there are many new faces on this team and anyone with an inkling of knowledge about the sport knows that it takes time for a new group to come together and play well as a team. You need five guys playing together as one in order to win and this does not develope overnight.

This is not some other sport like baseball where you add a couple of good pitchers and a left handed power hitter and you can turn yourself into an instant winner.

Unfortunately, all of the "ha, ha, you're stupid stuff", only indicates the lack of argument among Dunton haters and lack of any real knowledge about what's going on with this group.

That said, I certainly understand the frustration and the impatience that some of you are feeling right now. I'm just not buying into all of this grass being greener on the other side jazz. That was tried here once, and trust me, that Hankinson aftertaste will stays with you long enough to not get too trigger happy at mid-season.

[SuperJon]

No one left at Coastal when Buzz was brought in. You completely neglected that point.