[rogers3]

Oh here we go again smh lol

No kidding. Build the largest thing you can get 75% full on winter break.

Rogers, you're barely missing the right conclusion. The arena isn't an indictment of the health of the program, it's an indictment of the fanbase that has not supported the team for years.

Am I though? I have no problem with the building. I do see a flaw in the logic of it being the sole BB facility for all games forever more.

[Class of 20Something]

Oh here we go again smh lol

No kidding. Build the largest thing you can get 75% full on winter break.

Rogers, you're barely missing the right conclusion. The arena isn't an indictment of the health of the program, it's an indictment of the fanbase that has not supported the team for years.

Am I though? I have no problem with the building. I do see a flaw in the logic of it being the sole BB facility for all games forever more.

I think the only way we move out of RMK is if the following things happen.

Annual tournament appearances.
Liberty either gains Gonzaga respect or joins a Power conference.
The number of Liberty fans in Lynchburg grows significantly( we're talking triple the current population )
Liberty increases residential enrollment to 20,000.

If all of those those happen, sure build a bigger house.

[olldflame]

Oh here we go again smh lol

No kidding. Build the largest thing you can get 75% full on winter break.

Rogers, you're barely missing the right conclusion. The arena isn't an indictment of the health of the program, it's an indictment of the fanbase that has not supported the team for years.

Am I though? I have no problem with the building. I do see a flaw in the logic of it being the sole BB facility for all games forever more.

I don't hear anyone either here or in the administration saying the "forever more" part. Personally, I'm pretty confident that if and when the time comes that it's clear we will be able to fill a larger arena on a consistent basis, we will build something. My gut feeling is that it would be a new convocation center, with the Vines getting a total makeover for MBB. The new roof gives us a head start on that.

I think our major disagreement is with the concept of using the Vines for the occasional "big game" just because we could put a bigger attendance number in the box score. Way more down side than up on that IMHO.

[rogers3]

I think the only way we move out of RMK is if the following things happen.

Annual tournament appearances.
Liberty either gains Gonzaga respect or joins a Power conference.
The number of Liberty fans in Lynchburg grows significantly( we're talking triple the current population )
Liberty increases residential enrollment to 20,000.

If all of those those happen, sure build a bigger house.

Hence the "Big South Ready" comment. I don't think there is much of a vision for such aspirations.

[Class of 20Something]

Exactly @oldflame! I can add the spreadsheet here if y'all like. Last night actually would have broken Standing room only. I just don’t think there’s a pricing structure that makes sense when you jump to a larger facility for a single game.

[thepostman]

Big South arenas don't have the amenities this arena will have. I feel like a broken record.

[Purple Haize]

No kidding. Build the largest thing you can get 75% full on winter break.

Rogers, you're barely missing the right conclusion. The arena isn't an indictment of the health of the program, it's an indictment of the fanbase that has not supported the team for years.

Am I though? I have no problem with the building. I do see a flaw in the logic of it being the sole BB facility for all games forever more.

I think the only way we move out of RMK is if the following things happen.

Annual tournament appearances.
Liberty either gains Gonzaga respect or joins a Power conference.
The number of Liberty fans in Lynchburg grows significantly( we're talking triple the current population )
Liberty increases residential enrollment to 20,000.

If all of those those happen, sure build a bigger house.

Folks. You are both missing the big picture here. This is Liberty. With a long and storied history of building things only to tear them down and rebuild them later. Or build things that don’t quite match the need then gerryrig the thing to no end.

[Purple Haize]

Spacing GA with season tickets is a horrible idea. You want to encourage Season ticket sales. If I have a good chance of going to one game and getting as good a seat as the person who dropped the coin for a season package, why would I not? And if I was the person paying for season tickets you’ve just devalued my seat and loyalty
Converting GA to student tickets is a little different. But if I want to bring my Family to a game I’m not sure I want to be surrounded by a bunch of kids either. Maybe opening up student blocks that are unsold GA. All being dependent on what the average walk up tally is every game.

Season tix - advantage - same seats every time ( just not same neighbors ). I would map out the season tix in blocks of 2-4 etc on same row as GA. Look at Vines season tix section - it is a mass of red backed chairs in a section empty with seats in surrounding sections full - that is the look u want to avoid.

Having the same neighbor or no neighbor is a huge season ticket advantage
Again you’re putting GA on the same level and Tier as a Season ticket holder. You’ve destroyed the value of that ticket.

[Class of 20Something]

I think the only way we move out of RMK is if the following things happen.

Annual tournament appearances.
Liberty either gains Gonzaga respect or joins a Power conference.
The number of Liberty fans in Lynchburg grows significantly( we're talking triple the current population )
Liberty increases residential enrollment to 20,000.

If all of those those happen, sure build a bigger house.

Hence the "Big South Ready" comment. I don't think there is much of a vision for such aspirations.

You keep making these statements but they're not based on real life.

You wanna take a guess at what the Big South averages in game attendance? Less than 1600 a game. Liberty individually is averaging well over 4200 a game this year. That average would put us above the average CUSA team(the conference is ranked 11th in average attendance)

The BSC and ASUN are ranked 28th and 27th(of 32). RMK Arena will be averaging a sellout and set us well above the ”pretenders” while giving us the best environment we could possibly achieve. Yes, there's an attendance ceiling, but scarcity will raise the attendance floor too. I would wager that no game next year dips below 3500 next season.

[olldflame]

I think the only way we move out of RMK is if the following things happen.

Annual tournament appearances.
Liberty either gains Gonzaga respect or joins a Power conference.
The number of Liberty fans in Lynchburg grows significantly( we're talking triple the current population )
Liberty increases residential enrollment to 20,000.

If all of those those happen, sure build a bigger house.

Hence the "Big South Ready" comment. I don't think there is much of a vision for such aspirations.

You keep making these statements but they're not based on real life.

You wanna take a guess at what the Big South averages in game attendance? Less than 1600 a game. Liberty individually is averaging well over 4200 a game this year. That average would put us above the average CUSA team(the conference is ranked 11th in average attendance)

The BSC and ASUN are ranked 28th and 27th(of 32). RMK Arena will be averaging a sellout and set us well above the ”pretenders” while giving us the best environment we could possibly achieve. Yes, there's an attendance ceiling, but scarcity will raise the attendance floor too. I would wager that no game next year dips below 3500 next season.

I basically agree with everything you are saying, but I could do without the "RMK Arena" mentions. Do I believe Ritchie is on a path that will lead to deserving an honor along those lines? Absolutely, but he's just getting started.

[Class of 20Something]

Yeah but Liberty Arena is lame.

[olldflame]

Yeah but Liberty Arena is lame.

No argument on that. It's a "place holder" at best.

[Purple Haize]

Yeah but Liberty Arena is lame.

No argument on that. It's a "place holder" at best.

Falwell Arena

[JK37]

Falwell Forum
Trump Palace
Carone Coliseum
Ballcoach’s Big House of Free Tickets and Parking
Haize House

[chris leedlelee]

Ballcoach’s Big House of Free Tickets and Parking

I vote for this one.

[nyblue92]

I’m late to this discussion and I’m sure it’s been argued ad nauseam in the 20 previous pages, I haven’t read them all, but I for one am very excited about the new arena and the idea of LU hoops being a hard ticket to get. I live about 3,000 miles from campus so I can’t attend many games, but from a TV perspective, even big crowds in the Vines like the ones we’ve seen this season have come across as bored and apathetic. Our fan base never recovered from the Layer years, the lack of continuity from one generation to the next was very costly, it appears our students don’t know how to cheer. Last night we were in a conference dog fight and it appeared on TV like the Vines Center was dead. I was a freshman in 03/04, that was obviously an exciting year, but even the years after that, we never had crowds 1/4 of what we’re seeing this year but the Vines would be a harder place to play compared to what I’m watching now. We knew our opponents, had clever things we would do and say, we knew how to cheer and when to cheer, we made noise on defense, we lifted our guys up. The fans now appear completely apathetic, last night was a battle and the entire arena sat the entire game, never heard them make a peep when we were on defense, I was making more noise in my living room in California than half the attendees in the Vines last night. This is maybe the best team LU has ever had on the mountain, across all sports, they deserve better than that.

Ian and RMK know what they’re doing and they want a home court advantage. The best thing that could happen to Liberty hoops is a game where 8,000 people want to get in the building and there is only room for 4,000 of them. Seems to work well for Duke.

[Purple Haize]

Falwell Forum
Trump Palace
Carone Coliseum
Ballcoach’s Big House of Free Tickets and Parking
Haize House

TrumpWell Arena and Casino

[olldflame]

It may or may not have been determined yet who our opponent will be in the opening game in Liberty Arena, but if it has, they are holding it very close to the vest. IMHO scheduling VMI is a no brainer. It checks off everything on the list.

Sure sellout.................... check.
Almost sure win.............. check.
Historic symmetry.......... check.

They were our first D1 opponent and our first opponent in the Vines. The biggest ?? would be whether they will want to do it, but I'm thinking a little $$$ (and/or perhaps a return game in Lexington) could solve that problem.

[rogers3]

It may or may not have been determined yet who our opponent will be in the opening game in Liberty Arena, but if it has, they are holding it very close to the vest. IMHO scheduling VMI is a no brainer. It checks off everything on the list.

Sure sellout.................... check.
Almost sure win.............. check.
Historic symmetry.......... check.

They were our first D1 opponent and our first opponent in the Vines. The biggest ?? would be whether they will want to do it, but I'm thinking a little $$$ (and/or perhaps a return game in Lexington) could solve that problem.

Sellout is the easiest of the three. I remember that game...certainly a great repeat of history. I wonder if VMI has ever gotten over that thrashing we gave them one fall on the football field. I forgot the score, but it was ugly.

[tyndal23]

When stating my view of extreme limit of season tickets and have more GA tickets ( which per someone’s post ) there will be none - I should have been saying “ single game tickets “. If single game tickets aren’t sold by x number of days or hours - students allowed for half price or free or whatever “ formula. Single game tickets vary because some are part of 3 game family Saturday packages etc ( but all are assigned seats not GA )

[cruzan_flame13]

Looks like construction work is in good progress. Hopefully more will get completed before summer since it rains alot in the 'Burg.

https://www.liberty.edu/aboutliberty/in ... North-View

[BJWilliams]

It may or may not have been determined yet who our opponent will be in the opening game in Liberty Arena, but if it has, they are holding it very close to the vest. IMHO scheduling VMI is a no brainer. It checks off everything on the list.

Sure sellout.................... check.
Almost sure win.............. check.
Historic symmetry.......... check.

They were our first D1 opponent and our first opponent in the Vines. The biggest ?? would be whether they will want to do it, but I'm thinking a little $$$ (and/or perhaps a return game in Lexington) could solve that problem.

Sellout is the easiest of the three. I remember that game...certainly a great repeat of history. I wonder if VMI has ever gotten over that thrashing we gave them one fall on the football field. I forgot the score, but it was ugly.

If Im not mistaken that was the 73-34 game...and VMI I think beat us a grand total of twice while I was a student and according to the history section, a grand total of three times over the 18 years we met in football. What's funny to me is that they actually have a better record against us in basketball than they do in football. They actually won three of the last four meetings before running back to the Southern Conference.

[thepostman]

During the ESPN broadcast today as they were fawning over our atmosphere they spoke about our new, smaller arena and agreed that it is the right move. To guarantee a nearly fill environment every night. See guys, I'm not crazy.

[BlueBlood]

I heard the opinion.

Looked like a great atmosphere. Wish I could have been there.

[Purple Haize]

I heard the opinion.

Looked like a great atmosphere. Wish I could have been there.

But the chat was pretty lively