If roundball is your blood, this is the place to discuss the Flames as they move into the Ritchie McKay era for the 2nd time.

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By Purple Haize
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I am hoping to syphon off some of these comments from the BARTON thread and this seems to be what we are all discussing.
So off the top of my head, I will respond to a couple of threads. First, I would think that player stability and a consistent growth in the win column (Or a fast peak and then consistency) would be two hallmarks for success in any D1 program. HOWEVER, if you look at programs like Huggy Bear's or Tark's they transplant(ed) players every other year with a type of revolving door. I don't think you can aruge that they aren't successful. (Other than that pesky breathilizer) There is more then one way to build a program.
As for the Committee hiring the Men's basketball coach, don't be to fooled by that. At that time Jerry's power was in flux due to the years of compulsive spending and caveat's being placed on those bailing us out. ALso, there was a lag time between JM quitting and the hiring of HM (Like say an entire season) The candidates were selected and we got our second choice. Now the "Black Helicopter" folk may say that RD was not "retained" due to the less then enthusiastic support that those holding JF by the short and curly millions had. But it does say something that when Jerry got the reigns back RD came back.
Finally, as for JB being a "real" AD, you need to define "real". The difference (which is AWESOME) is that people are listening to the suggestions (and dare I say some are acting on them) JB has. Ironically, a lot of them have been said for YEARS but fell on deaf ears. Kudos for him!! But the rub will come when the "Mansion" gives him a call...........I just hope they leave him a lone. Sort of like that "Hire a professional to do a professional job" thing i lean to
By jmdickens
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there is no excuse why we lost to Barton

However, there is a reason. We all know the reason, and he will be gone by the end of the season....Oh, Brew is very good. But him and Blair are just two players. They are not that much better a combination than Martin and Bradshaw of Winthrop. Also, WU has proven to be a team. Are we going to rely on two players to carry the load. That doesn't ever work, with the exception of St. Joe's 3 years ago and they still had some other players.
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By LU'sbestmanager
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you don't think mclean is good... cuz if you ask me he's gonna beast the big south. and i think tyler is going to help out alot
By SuperJon
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You say everyone is going to be a beast. Everyone is either going to be a beast or is your man. It's one of the two. We may have great players, but can they be a great team? That's all I care about. I couldn't care less if we didn't have a superstar but we were a good team. That's all I'm asking for.
By jmdickens
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I have stated they are both good players, but it is a team game at the college level.
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By LU'sbestmanager
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that's what i am saying. we have good roll players and mclean will be that guy down low
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By Purple Haize
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I call CAGE MATCH :: MANGER v DICKENS!!! Kool Aid V Hater Aid!!! Slap some sumo suits and off they go.

Talent v Chemistry a classic dichotomy. The FAB 5 did OK, but did they ever "win the big one"? Does a team of talented players w/ good to great chemistry do better in the long run than a team of Superstars? My "pet peeve" is as stated. Six years, yet we have NEVER had a foundation of players. Never had a "class of seniors" (with one NOTABLE possible exception) Yes there are ways to build a program, but IMO it plays out every year: Teams that have been together awhile ALWAYS upset teams that arent. There is a differenc between a fresh/soph and a junior senior who has had YEARS in the program. We haven't had that. Blair has been around awhile, and is not too shabby, but who else? BARTON is not the end of the world (That would be losses to Houghton and Cincy Christian LOL).
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By LU'sbestmanager
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the 04 team didn't play together for bunch of years. they had a really good pg. that's the big thing. who's running the team?
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By Purple Haize
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LU'sbestmanager wrote:the 04 team didn't play together for bunch of years. they had a really good pg. that's the big thing. who's running the team?
There is more truth to that last part then you know, and that is what makes it so ironically funny!!!!
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By LU'sbestmanager
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SuperJon wrote:You say everyone is going to be a beast. Everyone is either going to be a beast or is your man. It's one of the two. We may have great players, but can they be a great team? That's all I care about. I couldn't care less if we didn't have a superstar but we were a good team. That's all I'm asking for.
what's wrong with me thinking that alex is a beast, wynton being my favorite player, and dominic being a friend of mine?
By jmdickens
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nobody said anything is wrong with that. It just takes away your credibility as a reliable source on some of the issues
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By LU'sbestmanager
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that's fine... but just know, i know what im talking about
By jmdickens
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okay. since you say so :D
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By pbow
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I agree with manager that we might be the most overall talented team in the Big South, but i'm just not sure if we have the right person in charge that will help these players grow as a team and compete for the Big South title
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By LU'sbestmanager
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yeah.. i never said that we would def. win the championship. im just saying that we are the most talented.
By jmdickens
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That isn't the point. You can have talent, but it doesn't get you anywhere without discipline and direction. We are lost in the middle of nowhere
By LUconn
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jmdickens wrote:

However, there is a reason. We all know the reason, and he will be gone by the end of the season....
Look I don't know if RD ate your children or what but you keep saying this and it's wrong. I'm not gonna argue with you about if he's doing a good job or not anymore but he's not going anywhere for a few years. It doesn't matter how much we suck. It's just not the way this school works.
By A.G.
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LUconn wrote:It doesn't matter how much we suck. It's just not the way this school works.
hmmmm. I wonder what Karcher would say about that one? I wonder what Jeff Myer would say about that one, when "sucking" was defined as 2nd place for a few years in a row? Mel probably feels the same way, too.

LUconn, I have to respectfully disagree with you on that remark. I fear anything less than a top 2 reg season and/or a trip to the championship game and it will matter.
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By nickrichard
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LUconn wrote:
jmdickens wrote:

However, there is a reason. We all know the reason, and he will be gone by the end of the season....
It doesn't matter how much we suck. It's just not the way this school works.
Ummm, have you talked to Coach Karcher lately? :roll:
By A.G.
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Beat you, Nick. Great minds think alike.
By LUconn
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Are you guys crazy? Karcher got a 5 year extention for being terrible! You don't think RD's championship and 2 second place finishes bought him more time? Hankinson had no good seasons.
By A.G.
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LUconn wrote:Are you guys crazy? Karcher got a 5 year extention for being terrible! You don't think RD's championship and 2 second place finishes bought him more time? Hankinson had no good seasons.
Good counter points--but remember, in each of Karcher's last two seasons of his original contract, the team finished strong, which wrongly indicated better days ahead. You are absolutely right about RD--and I will agree and said all along last year that the school should give him a pass. BUT, I think we all agree that substantial progress must be shown this year. EVen with a championship game visit, if we finish in the middle of the pack in the season, I would think it would be a very bad thing for coach.
By LUconn
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I think in order for him to be around for the '08-'09 season, he's got to finish in the top 3 both seasons. Then he gets 1 more but he's got to get a championship in the next 3 years to keep going after that. But like you said, at the end of anyone's contract if things are looking good at the end it makes you want to give them another chance.
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By nickrichard
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LUconn wrote:I think in order for him to be around for the '08-'09 season, he's got to finish in the top 3 both seasons. Then he gets 1 more but he's got to get a championship in the next 3 years to keep going after that. But like you said, at the end of anyone's contract if things are looking good at the end it makes you want to give them another chance.
Didn't I read somewhere that his contract is up at the end of this year? If so, I would not think he would take a one year offer.
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