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When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 9th, 2015, 8:42 pm
by flamesfan30
When should we fire layer?

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 9th, 2015, 8:47 pm
by JK37
End of his contract. What's the harm in letting him finish?

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 9th, 2015, 9:36 pm
by Purple Haize
We gave Karcher extra years

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 9th, 2015, 9:45 pm
by jmmiii
I see these polls on here all the time. This is the first time I have felt strongly enough about the question to answer. We all know it's time.

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 9th, 2015, 9:55 pm
by g-webb1994
Like I said in another thread, let him finish out the season. Firing him midseason would not settle well for prospective replacements.

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 9th, 2015, 10:12 pm
by lynchburgwildcats
JK37 wrote:End of his contract. What's the harm in letting him finish?
Once you realize the mistake, keeping the mistake longer just makes the mistake worse.

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 9th, 2015, 11:19 pm
by adam42381
Let him finish the season then fire him.

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 10th, 2015, 12:13 am
by VAGolf
What are we gaining from keeping him? Nothing. What do we gain from firing him? An extended coaching search. Fire him.

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 10th, 2015, 12:39 am
by bluejacket
Let him finish the season. Then fire him.

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 10th, 2015, 7:15 pm
by flameshaw
After the season is over, he deserves that. A change now is not going to help anything.

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 10th, 2015, 7:32 pm
by adam42381
flameshaw wrote:After the season is over, he deserves that. A change now is not going to help anything.
What has he done to deserve to stay until the end of the season? I agree he shouldn't be fired mid-season, but not because he's earned it.

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 10th, 2015, 7:32 pm
by SuperJon
adam42381 wrote:
flameshaw wrote:After the season is over, he deserves that. A change now is not going to help anything.
What has he done to deserve to stay until the end of the season? I agree he shouldn't be fired mid-season, but not because he's earned it.
Running a clean program that represents the school well.

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 10th, 2015, 7:37 pm
by adam42381
Fair enough.

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 10th, 2015, 8:18 pm
by flameshaw
SuperJon wrote:
adam42381 wrote:
flameshaw wrote:After the season is over, he deserves that. A change now is not going to help anything.
What has he done to deserve to stay until the end of the season? I agree he shouldn't be fired mid-season, but not because he's earned it.
Running a clean program that represents the school well.
Yep.

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 10th, 2015, 8:27 pm
by Purple Haize
SuperJon wrote:
adam42381 wrote:
flameshaw wrote:After the season is over, he deserves that. A change now is not going to help anything.
What has he done to deserve to stay until the end of the season? I agree he shouldn't be fired mid-season, but not because he's earned it.
Running a clean program that represents the school well.
Other than that whole winning thing....

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 10th, 2015, 8:51 pm
by flameshaw
Don't know what our current record is, but maybe our football team ends up with more wins than the BB team? :) Would like to have the brown bag concession at the Vines.

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 10th, 2015, 11:12 pm
by Rooster Cogburn
SuperJon wrote:
adam42381 wrote:
flameshaw wrote:After the season is over, he deserves that. A change now is not going to help anything.
What has he done to deserve to stay until the end of the season? I agree he shouldn't be fired mid-season, but not because he's earned it.
Running a clean program that represents the school well.
EXACTLY!

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 10th, 2015, 11:34 pm
by jcmanson
SuperJon wrote:
adam42381 wrote:
flameshaw wrote:After the season is over, he deserves that. A change now is not going to help anything.
What has he done to deserve to stay until the end of the season? I agree he shouldn't be fired mid-season, but not because he's earned it.
Running a clean program that represents the school well.
L O L

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 11th, 2015, 12:24 am
by Rooster Cogburn
I stand by my statement that he should and will get one more year. 9 New players, 1 left unexpectedly, 2 top players out, time left in contract, LU guy, etc.

I would also not be shocked if he's gone at the end of the year.

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 11th, 2015, 12:34 am
by Purple Haize
Rooster Cogburn wrote:I stand by my statement that he should and will get one more year. 9 New players, 1 left unexpectedly, 2 top players out, time left in contract, LU guy, etc.

I would also not be shocked if he's gone at the end of the year.
If he'd had a 20 win instead of a 20 loss season last year you'd be on to something.

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 11th, 2015, 12:41 am
by Rooster Cogburn
Wait, I'm not a writer, I'm a fan. Credibility? On a message board? Please. I have an opinion just like you. If this was Matt Doherty, maybe I'm close to the mob mentality. It's not.

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 11th, 2015, 12:48 am
by bluejacket
Rooster Cogburn wrote:I stand by my statement that he should and will get one more year. 9 New players, 1 left unexpectedly, 2 top players out, time left in contract, LU guy, etc.

I would also not be shocked if he's gone at the end of the year.
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Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 11th, 2015, 1:43 am
by rhezick
Rooster Cogburn wrote:Wait, I'm not a writer, I'm a fan. Credibility? On a message board? Please. I have an opinion just like you. If this was Matt Doherty, maybe I'm close to the mob mentality. It's not.
Agreed. Kind of the reason I feel like there's not more new people on this board. As a long time lurker (8 years), it wasn't until recently I actually created an account for this reason. Geez, rooster's just citing his opinion. Seems like there's a crap load of personal stuff going on around this board...maybe it's Liberty politics or some stupid crap I don't understand. Or maybe this is how forums say "hi." Either way, I hope his opinion credentials aren't revoked.

And put lipstick on a pig all you want...this season is over, so who cares if the guy stays. He took us to our obligatory once a decade tourney appearance. The basketball program won't be magically changing for the better anytime soon. Let's talk relevance again by 2024.

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 11th, 2015, 1:48 am
by Purple Haize
rhezick wrote:
Rooster Cogburn wrote:Wait, I'm not a writer, I'm a fan. Credibility? On a message board? Please. I have an opinion just like you. If this was Matt Doherty, maybe I'm close to the mob mentality. It's not.
Agreed. Kind of the reason I feel like there's not more new people on this board. As a long time lurker (8 years), it wasn't until recently I actually created an account for this reason. Geez, rooster's just citing his opinion. Seems like there's a crap load of personal stuff going on around this board...maybe it's Liberty politics or some stupid crap I don't understand. Or maybe this is how forums say "hi." Either way, I hope his opinion credentials aren't revoked.

And put lipstick on a pig all you want...this season is over, so who cares if the guy stays. He took us to our obligatory once a decade tourney appearance. The basketball program won't be magically changing for the better anytime soon. Let's talk relevance again by 2024.
Thin skin makes for a challenging message board existence. Rooster can post all he wants. I'm sure he's a big enough boy to defend himself. Seems to be making a good effort at it.

Re: When Should we Fire Layer?

Posted: January 11th, 2015, 2:02 am
by Rooster Cogburn
I will agree that there would have been several more posters on my side just a few short years ago. So much negativity scares away those with less thick skin than I have. Thus so few active posters. I also think its funny that some seem to toss the homer cool ade thing at me like an insult. I take it as a complement for a dedicated fan.

Again, far from perfect and extremely disappointing, but I believe it could set the program back even further to turn coach layer loose.

Alas, it's only an opinion and not my decision to make.