If roundball is your blood, this is the place to discuss the Flames as they move into the Ritchie McKay era for the 2nd time.

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By grm
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I learned at the outset on this forum that we were not supposed to "Hijack threads." I now notice that
whether the subject is anything from "lookalikes" to "attendance" it ends up being an opportunity for a very small core of disgruntled and agenda-laden posters to unleash a torrent of criticism on Coach Dunton. "Hijacking" at its finest! I'm greatly encouraged to see that most on the forum see these attacks as unbalanced. The fact is that some of it is flat out slander.

Some I have spoken with believe that Dickens is hurting the site. I know I'm sick of seeing his baloney. I don't know if his problem goes all the way back to Doug Stewart or not, but I think a teenager ought to be cultivating some respect for his elders along with the rest of the fine education he is getting at LU. It is discouraging to see someone who is supposed to be supporting LU trying to find the cloudy lining in every silver victory.

Mr. Dickens, Coach would love to meet you face to face. Come to Midnight Madness, introduce yourself, get a handshake, and then Coach will make time to talk with you when you can sit down over a cup of coffee or whatever. I can be contacted, and the invitation offered is sincere and credible. For whatever reason, you have an axe to grind, and its turned you into a hatchet man. If you've ever had a conversation with Coach, I don't believe he knows of it. He has no reason not to want you on board with the program, and going forward with the program rather than against it, which, despite what will be your protestations, is a position you have placed yourself in. Basically, you find yourself wishing for things to go badly, so that you can continue chopping. It's not good for anyone, including you. It has to be robbing you of some of the joy of being a member of the Liberty Family. Go meet him, and talk to him.

Furthermore, in the two years prior to last year's disappointing season, we were 23-9 in league, and 15-1 at home. Surely that is not something to be ashamed of, and just as surely, it was not accomplished with Hankens-holdovers. Not to bash anyone, but this was done on the heels of some bad seasons. I believe LU basketball is going to see its best days in the near future. Near future.

Speaking-wise, Coach is the featured speaker tonight at the Virginia Beach Coaches Clinic, and on the 21st at the Central Virginia Coaches Clinic. Student body-wise and spirituality-wise, the Big Question might be, "How do we change lives?" One of the answers is "By getting the Word of God into their lives." Enter what I think is a great idea, a program termed "Faith In The Furance." The text Scripture is Romans 10:17 "So then, faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Coach, the staff, and the team, are hoping to get 4,000 students to join the club (cost - $5.00) and by being a member, receive a tee-shirt which says on the front, "We Believe" with a nice logo on the back. There will be eleven verses on faith, and they will be included (the references) on a lanyard which each member will also receive. Kick-off for that program is soon.

Points here are: Coach is getting out to the public, he does want to impact the student body as a coach and as a spiritual leader, and things are moving in a very positive direction talent-wise. Not to invoke anyone else's name here, but some of those who post and who are "experts" in talent and assessment, seem to be encouraged in what they see at practice. That should mean something, as these men
are long-time LU supporters and/or players, some of whom go all the way back to Bro. Jeff Meyers, and they could not possibly be considered to be "Dunton Apologists."

Responsible criticism is respected. I ask that we be careful of our "hijacks." If we want to make it a war-zone, let's just name a thread "I Hate Dunton" and everyone can launch their volleys from there.
Honestly, I might not even read them, because on the whole, I believe it to be counterproductive,
but I also believe that every now and then some of these things demand to be addressed. I'm just
optimistic enough to believe that Mr. Dickens could enjoy the experience with Mr. Dunton.

Proverbs 16:7
When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.
By TDDance234
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This is a forum. Opinions and discussions are what makes them go 'round. Can't change that. Don't like it? Don't read his posts.
By grm
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I believe I addressed your comments in the course of my post.
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By flameshaw
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I think we have to be open to all kinds of opinions and thoughts. Most of the time, we grow from it. I do not think Dickens meeting with Coach Dunton will solve anything. Both will just give their side of the story and not convince the other of anything.

I have made it very clear that I am no fan of Dunton and have first hand knowledge of things that I shouldn't. However my opinion of things is just that an opinion. I do not believe Dickens, or anyone else should be called out for their thoughts on any program or individual.

Eventually things will die down and we will be better off for not calling attention to the situation or making it an issue.

Let's just hope we have a successful year and things get turned around like they have for the football team.
By SuperJon
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Amen, Flameshaw.

It's a message board. Everyone should be allowed to state their opinion.
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By LU'sbestmanager
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grm wrote: I don't know if his problem goes all the way back to Doug Stewart or not
u got it!! ding, ding, ding :!: :!:
By SuperJon
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Also, I mean no disrespect when I say this, but a Division I coaching staff should not be worried about what someone says about them on a message board.
By SuperJon
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It's obvious they are by this statement, unless grm is completely making it up, which I don't think he is:
Mr. Dickens, Coach would love to meet you face to face. Come to Midnight Madness, introduce yourself, get a handshake, and then Coach will make time to talk with you when you can sit down over a cup of coffee or whatever.
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By Sly Fox
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grm and Coach D are very good friends. I'm sure whn he brought this to Coach D's attention he probably told him that he'd be happy to sit down with him. That doesn't mean Coach is wringing his hands worried what some student is saying on this board.

As I have stated MANY times before on this board, I have no problems with dissenting viewpoints as long as they don't turn nasty & personal. That hasn't changed. WEould I prefer we all be in perfect harmony in full support of the program? Of course, but we don't live in utopia and I respect the opinions of others.
By jimflamesfan
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It is a message board, and people are entitled to their opinions...but to hijack a thread to attack a coach is wrong...the admin. could move those posts.

Now you can attack the coach if it's related to the thread...but the thread was about look-a-likes...I guess you could make fun of his appearance, and that would still be part of the thread...but to take that as an oppertunity to slader the coach, it's off topic and should be moved to some kind of, "Reasons why Dunton shouldn't coach" thread.

Just my opinion.
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By whmatthews
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Boo socialism.

That's all I have to say.
By A.G.
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whmatthews wrote:Boo socialism.
HOORAY BEER!!!
By SuperJon
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I was about to say that.
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By Purple Haize
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GRM - Speaking on a professional level, there are many fine MD prescribed products that can help out a situation like yours. Anxiety, paranoia, anger management, all of these things are out there to help you :D :D
So you don't like a guys post. Who cares. As far as sitting down with Coach D, how do you know he hasnt? Just because two people sit down with each other doesnt' mean things will turn out peachy keen. To use a few ludacris examples: If GWB and Pres Adminjan (Iranian dude) sat down together would their issues be resolved? A little closer to home Dr F and Mel WHite have sat down several times and they don't agree or even get along that well (and they used to be great friends). Maybe he has met Coach D and doesn't care for him? Does that mean that he has now forfeited his right to post because he is biased against him? If that is the case, then perhaps YOU should be banned because of your bias and relationship WITH him? If you don't like it grow some thick skin and let it go. I'll be honest, I don't care all that much for Coach D, but that is because of off court situations that started years ago and continued. (He doesn't care much for me, so at least we have an understanding even though we were chums in the past!) On the court, not really sure. Someone in a Monkey Suit could have come in the year after Mel and had a "good" year comparitively. I did think he would get us to the NCAA's and actually did it a year before I thought he would. The only concerns I have/had is the ability to sustain at a high level, not necessarily NCAA berths, but 20 win seasons, etc. I don't root against the guys at all, not sure a lot of people on this board do. I hope that your letter has made you feel better. I am sure that the MBB staff will see it and be happy. But in the words of that great movie Stripes "Lighten Up Francis!!" :D

SLY - Since you are now banning personal attacks does that mean we can no longer make fun of PA's height, Manger's typing or SCAR's noggin?
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By Purple Haize
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SuperJon wrote:Also, I mean no disrespect when I say this, but a Division I coaching staff should not be worried about what someone says about them on a message board.
I hear ya SJ. It is an oddity that he does come on here. Also, did you see Mack Brown on Friday Night Lights playing a booster? He was hysterical. Loved the quote "We've driven by a couple nights and didn't see any lights on or cars in the parking lot, but we know you are working". Classic. He said he used lines that HE had received while at Texas. TFF.
By SuperJon
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Oh how I long for your teachings.
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By Purple Haize
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SuperJon wrote:Oh how I long for your teachings.
One day my young apprentice to be, they will have time travel, and you too can sit under my Socratesesque tutelage. (Or fall asleep and fail my tests like most!)
By SuperJon
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It'll be the best failed test ever.
By A.G.
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you too can sit under my Socratesesque tutelage.
Silly me. I thought it was more like BUDDAH :twisted:

Also:
Stripes "Lighten Up Francis!!"
I don't recall that movie because it is R-rated and it is against The Liberty Way to poison our minds with such filth. :twisted:
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By SuperJon
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Watch out or we'll be banned for hijacking.
By A.G.
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Image

OK. Fun-time over. Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.
By SuperJon
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I could go so many places with that picture, none of which are in the Liberty Way. (Begin calling me a horrible Christian in 5...4...3...)
By thesportscritic
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SuperJon wrote:I could go so many places with that picture, none of which are in the Liberty Way. (Begin calling me a horrible Christian in 5...4...3...)
2.......1....... you are a horrible christian. Just kidding SJ> :D
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By pbow
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Okay I can't believe grm actually posted something like this. Not everyone has to be super-excited or super-thrilled with Coach Dunton's abilities as a coach. I would also like to point out that jmdickens never said he disliked Coach as a person, which grm seemed to imply. Dickens is just stating the facts about Dunton's career here at LU. I know jmdickens very well and I know for a fact that none of this stems from Doug Stewart at all. What grm obviously does not understand is that all of us here want Liberty to have an excellent season, we just all aren't very confident in Coach Dunton leading us to one.
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