A Sea Of Red

is free for anyone interested in watching

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Marshall and Donley are playing in it.

Marshall currently has 15 points at half. looks really good.

This is like the future Liberty U game

Davon Marshall finishes with 34 Points, 8 Rebounds & 4 Assists in 81-69 victory for Marshall. He'll next play tomorrow evening at 6pm CT vs. South Plains College.

Chad Donley's 1st game of the tournament is tomorrow at 1pm as his NW Florida State squad meets Navarro College.

You can keep up with the tourney schedule & stats here.

It actually worries me a little that Marshall is playing so well. He hasn't signed.

Just wondering, when RD signed a Juco or transfer he took a lot of grief...is it not the same for the present staff??

Up until this year, Layer's recruiting focused mostly on HS players. JB and Speaks were the only 2 jucos in his previous 3 classes, and they have both made big contributions. 4 in one year is a lot (although Donley actually has 3 years of eligibility). I have some concerns, and I have read others post the same here. If he gets the desired results and returns to a more "normal" recruiting pattern next year, I am fine with it. With Layer obviously having lost all trust in Chene, we had no point guard returning, so I think it was a good move to bring in one juco player and one freshman at that position. Coronado and Marshall just look like they bring too much to the table to pass on.

Most of my criticism of RD about transfers was regarding the practice of bringing in someone with only a year of eligibility left and tieing of a scholarship for 2 years while he sat out the transfer year.

Anyone else think it's kind of ironic that one of RD's better juco recruits now seems to be providing a veritible pipeline of talent for Layer as a junior college coach?

Bigsouthking wrote:Just wondering, when RD signed a Juco or transfer he took a lot of grief...is it not the same for the present staff??

Yes, there's a lot of grief. General consensus is Layer's seat is getting warm and he knows we're not going to wait for freshman to develop. So, he's trying to give the rebuilding process a jump-start with JuCo's. We'll see if it works.

Just proof again that RD had way more insight in how to get LU into national eye than he was given credit for....but 5 years down the road the results speak for him. Hopefully we can get a one year transfer with TeeJay's ability out of the ACC who was a top 100 point guard coming out of high school. We would be crazy to not take him if available.

But hey our AD knows best.

Did JM ever bring in Juco's?

IMBach wrote:Just proof again that RD had way more insight in how to get LU into national eye than he was given credit for....but 5 years down the road the results speak for him. Hopefully we can get a one year transfer with TeeJay's ability out of the ACC who was a top 100 point guard coming out of high school. We would be crazy to not take him if available.

But hey our AD knows best.

You're right, he still hasn't found a job coaching. That speaks more for him than anything. You RD lovers need to let it go. He's gone and he will never be back. No hard feelings, nice guy, just not a good coach.

He's at VUL actually...unless they canned him too

BJWilliams wrote:He's at VUL actually...unless they canned him too

is it volunteer? can they fire him?

flameshaw wrote:

IMBach wrote:Just proof again that RD had way more insight in how to get LU into national eye than he was given credit for....but 5 years down the road the results speak for him. Hopefully we can get a one year transfer with TeeJay's ability out of the ACC who was a top 100 point guard coming out of high school. We would be crazy to not take him if available.

But hey our AD knows best.

You're right, he still hasn't found a job coaching. That speaks more for him than anything. You RD lovers need to let it go. He's gone and he will never be back. No hard feelings, nice guy, just not a good coach.

Your last 5 words are debatable, the guy won a Big South Championship. RD can be called a lot of things but he did sit on the bench for both titles that the school has won. And on the bench during both runner up appearances. (that's sad the more I think of it, 20 years of D-1 in the Big South and only 4 championship game appearances & 3 of those were in a 4 year stretch) And it wasn't like he was a grad assistant or something.

And I agree he's not coming back, but don't discredit what was accomplished.

And how many benches did JM sit on while teams won the BSC or were in the Championship game?

I'm not exactly exstatic about our level of success over the years either BSC, but I will say that disappointing as it is, it is pretty much on a par with most of the other schools in the conference, except for Winthrop. UNCA has done a bit better, which is a great job by Biedenbach considering their budget. It does pain me that although we have had a better overall record, as far as championships are concerned we are even with Radford and Chuck South.

It seems like every post goes back to RD..im an RD hater and will forever be but geez lets move on. I click on a posting about JUCO and it comes back to RD. For goodness sakes lets move on and talk about the present and the future. I like the signing of all these JUCOS because they will bring an immediate impact to the team and yes Layer is doing it because he cant wait to develop young talent right now, but who cares if we win Big South Championship does it really matter where the talent comes from

bballfan84 wrote:It seems like every post goes back to RD..im an RD hater and will forever be but geez lets move on. I click on a posting about JUCO and it comes back to RD. For goodness sakes lets move on and talk about the present and the future. I like the signing of all these JUCOS because they will bring an immediate impact to the team and yes Layer is doing it because he cant wait to develop young talent right now, but who cares if we win Big South Championship does it really matter where the talent comes from

I agree unless someone tries to make a thread about cheerleading being a sport. In that case I'd much rather talk about RD, RM, SC, Asa, or any other topic that we've driven into the ground ad nauseam

The more i've thought about juco's my opinion has changed. First thought is usually a negative one when you hear the term juco and connectivity to your program.

Let's look at this a different way.

Obviously it's going to be very rare that we get one of those high end players top 100 type guys that come in and make a huge impact freshman year (Curry being the exception lately). We spend 2-3 years developing most of the freshman we bring in anyway. Look at JVP and Burrus, those guys really turned it up but it's their 3rd year in the program. JC Sanders still looked lost at times and was very inconsistent. Certainly i'm not saying you should recruit a whole team of juco's or even half of them.

I do think that plugging a juco or two a year may be a good thing when your a mid major. Most of the time these guy's come in ready to play. So essentailly we get 2 good years out of them (ace mclean, John Brown barring the injury, speaks, gabe martin) to cite a few.

Another advantage is that these kid's can't really transfer out for the most part. Teams are losing players left and right across the nation because everyone thinks somewhere else is a better situation. The juco kids dont have that time to leave and just give up even if things dont start out great (speaks wasn't playing a ton at the beginning).

All i'm saying is i think at the mid major level it's a good thing to look at a couple to plug holes. Heck even Kansas has success with it the last few years, tho those guys are highly rated.

"All we are saying is give JUC's a chance"

jinxy wrote:I do think that plugging a juco or two a year may be a good thing when your a mid major.

I completely agree with this. We didn't do that this year.

jinxy wrote:Another advantage is that these kid's can't really transfer out for the most part. Teams are losing players left and right across the nation because everyone thinks somewhere else is a better situation. The juco kids dont have that time to leave and just give up even if things dont start out great

Good Post Jinxy.

Purple Haize wrote:And how many benches did JM sit on while teams won the BSC or were in the Championship game?

Not going to argue that... JM has set on the bench thru 6 total championship games and won 4 of them..

But RD recruited JM players and won a championship without JM also...


Since everyone is tired of hearing about RD, when does the DL bashing begin??

Bigsouthking wrote:

Purple Haize wrote:And how many benches did JM sit on while teams won the BSC or were in the Championship game?

Not going to argue that... JM has set on the bench thru 6 total championship games and won 4 of them..

But RD recruited JM players and won a championship without JM also...


Since everyone is tired of hearing about RD, when does the DL bashing begin??

And JM sat on the bench with GM when Winthrop had their run. He was on the Bench at Butler when they went to the tournament. And he was on the bench as Michigan has resurged the last few years.

Yeah those 6 include the Winthrop years, I was only counting Big South ....

Bigsouthking wrote:

flameshaw wrote:

IMBach wrote:Just proof again that RD had way more insight in how to get LU into national eye than he was given credit for....but 5 years down the road the results speak for him. Hopefully we can get a one year transfer with TeeJay's ability out of the ACC who was a top 100 point guard coming out of high school. We would be crazy to not take him if available.

But hey our AD knows best.

You're right, he still hasn't found a job coaching. That speaks more for him than anything. You RD lovers need to let it go. He's gone and he will never be back. No hard feelings, nice guy, just not a good coach.

Your last 5 words are debatable, the guy won a Big South Championship. RD can be called a lot of things but he did sit on the bench for both titles that the school has won. And on the bench during both runner up appearances. (that's sad the more I think of it, 20 years of D-1 in the Big South and only 4 championship game appearances & 3 of those were in a 4 year stretch) And it wasn't like he was a grad assistant or something.

And I agree he's not coming back, but don't discredit what was accomplished.

some people remain clueless on whole coaching soap opera...to say RD is not a good coach is a joke. JM is in trouble when RD comes to LU and turns the programs talent around. RD takes a team gutted by talent in 97-98 and beats UVA and finishes 4th in BSC. 4th or worse is where we have been in 3 of 5 years since JB rules. He comes back after 4 years of MH bottom feeding and immediately we are back in contention yearly. keep your eyes closed...and maybe we can dream our way out of reality.