A Sea Of Red

16 pages worth of statistics about Liberty basketball from 1996 - present day.

http://statfix.com/collegebasketball/liberty

Some of the stats get repeated and some are pretty worthless, but there is also some really cool information in there. Most points, most games played, most minutes played, most assists, most blocks, most turnovers, which refs have called the most fouls on Liberty, etc. Whether or not the info is correct is anybody's guess. Anyway I figured yall might enjoy to peruse it on your own time.

Was interesting to me that Alex McLean was yalls leading rebounder since 1996 in just two years and that Larry Blair was actually second.

Since 1996, Alex McLean has the most rebounds for Liberty. Here are the top 10 leaders in rebounds over that time period:


557: Alex McLean
498: Larry Blair
478: Jason Sarchet
431: Gabe Martin
416: Nathan Day
410: Rell Porter
365: Kenneth Anaebonam
351: Anthony Smith
311: Chris Caldwell
308: Louvon Sneed

wow. What a monster. That was in 2 years. We really need a rebounding coach.

LUconn wrote:wow. What a monster. That was in 2 years. We really need a rebounding coach.

Not really. We just need to land more big recruits. I think we did pretty well rebounding as a team last year.

I think the biggest problem is we don't have alot of guys that stay 4 years.

kel varson wrote:

LUconn wrote:wow. What a monster. That was in 2 years. We really need a rebounding coach.

Not really. We just need to land more big recruits. I think we did pretty well rebounding as a team last year.

uh ,,,,, I'm gona hafta go with LUconn on this one.

Whatever happened to Bob Davis? Any way of getting him back?

jcmanson wrote:I think the biggest problem is we don't have alot of guys that stay 4 years.

This is a good point, but it is a moot point. Curry still helped out LU.

jcmanson wrote:I think the biggest problem is we don't have alot of guys that stay 4 years.

I think a lot of our guys shouldn't stay four years. They had no business being at LU, let alone at a D-I basketball program, in the first place.

Of the guys who left (since the beginning of the Dunton era), how many of them left to go play D-I ball elsewhere? I can think of three (Seth, B.J., and David Dees). Most of the rest of them couldn't cut it with Liberty, and left because frankly, basketball wasn't their meal ticket.

That's not to say that I'm against people staying around for all four years. Certainly, I am. But if someone like an Alex McLean is going to transfer in from a JUCO, I'll make a roster slot available for him... even if I have to cut Russell Monroe.

Liberty4Life wrote:

jcmanson wrote:I think the biggest problem is we don't have alot of guys that stay 4 years.

I think a lot of our guys shouldn't stay four years. They had no business being at LU, let alone at a D-I basketball program, in the first place.

Of the guys who left (since the beginning of the Dunton era), how many of them left to go play D-I ball elsewhere? I can think of three (Seth, B.J., and David Dees). Most of the rest of them couldn't cut it with Liberty, and left because frankly, basketball wasn't their meal ticket.

That's not to say that I'm against people staying around for all four years. Certainly, I am. But if someone like an Alex McLean is going to transfer in from a JUCO, I'll make a roster slot available for him... even if I have to cut Russell Monroe.

I don't think we know yet about Austin or Brolin, who both could end up at D1 programs, but your point is well taken. I would say of that entire group, only Seth and Dees left primarily for basketball reasons. We've seen how that worked out for Dees. IMHO Seth has a lot of work to do if he is going to make any impact in Durham.

My personal opinion is that JUCO players (or any transfers with less than 3 years eligibility) should be recruited very selectivly, and I don't like bringing in a guy for 1 year, no matter how good he is. The goal should be to build with HS players who are good enough to contribute and fit in well enough that they want to stick around and get their degree from LU. Clearly, we have not yet acheived that goal.

olldflame wrote:

Liberty4Life wrote:

jcmanson wrote:I think the biggest problem is we don't have alot of guys that stay 4 years.

I think a lot of our guys shouldn't stay four years. They had no business being at LU, let alone at a D-I basketball program, in the first place.

Of the guys who left (since the beginning of the Dunton era), how many of them left to go play D-I ball elsewhere? I can think of three (Seth, B.J., and David Dees). Most of the rest of them couldn't cut it with Liberty, and left because frankly, basketball wasn't their meal ticket.

That's not to say that I'm against people staying around for all four years. Certainly, I am. But if someone like an Alex McLean is going to transfer in from a JUCO, I'll make a roster slot available for him... even if I have to cut Russell Monroe.

I don't think we know yet about Austin or Brolin, who both could end up at D1 programs, but your point is well taken. I would say of that entire group, only Seth and Dees left primarily for basketball reasons. We've seen how that worked out for Dees. IMHO Seth has a lot of work to do if he is going to make any impact in Durham.

My personal opinion is that JUCO players (or any transfers with less than 3 years eligibility) should be recruited very selectivly, and I don't like bringing in a guy for 1 year, no matter how good he is. The goal should be to build with HS players who are good enough to contribute and fit in well enough that they want to stick around and get their degree from LU. Clearly, we have not yet acheived that goal.

Are you going to hate me if i agree with you?

King James wrote:

olldflame wrote:

Liberty4Life wrote: I think a lot of our guys shouldn't stay four years. They had no business being at LU, let alone at a D-I basketball program, in the first place.

Of the guys who left (since the beginning of the Dunton era), how many of them left to go play D-I ball elsewhere? I can think of three (Seth, B.J., and David Dees). Most of the rest of them couldn't cut it with Liberty, and left because frankly, basketball wasn't their meal ticket.

That's not to say that I'm against people staying around for all four years. Certainly, I am. But if someone like an Alex McLean is going to transfer in from a JUCO, I'll make a roster slot available for him... even if I have to cut Russell Monroe.

I don't think we know yet about Austin or Brolin, who both could end up at D1 programs, but your point is well taken. I would say of that entire group, only Seth and Dees left primarily for basketball reasons. We've seen how that worked out for Dees. IMHO Seth has a lot of work to do if he is going to make any impact in Durham.

My personal opinion is that JUCO players (or any transfers with less than 3 years eligibility) should be recruited very selectivly, and I don't like bringing in a guy for 1 year, no matter how good he is. The goal should be to build with HS players who are good enough to contribute and fit in well enough that they want to stick around and get their degree from LU. Clearly, we have not yet acheived that goal.

Are you going to hate me if i agree with you?

No but he'll probably hate you if you keep on making such dumb posts...

coolhandluke wrote:

King James wrote:

olldflame wrote: I don't think we know yet about Austin or Brolin, who both could end up at D1 programs, but your point is well taken. I would say of that entire group, only Seth and Dees left primarily for basketball reasons. We've seen how that worked out for Dees. IMHO Seth has a lot of work to do if he is going to make any impact in Durham.

My personal opinion is that JUCO players (or any transfers with less than 3 years eligibility) should be recruited very selectivly, and I don't like bringing in a guy for 1 year, no matter how good he is. The goal should be to build with HS players who are good enough to contribute and fit in well enough that they want to stick around and get their degree from LU. Clearly, we have not yet acheived that goal.

Are you going to hate me if i agree with you?

No but he'll probably hate you if you keep on making such dumb posts...

Sorry, man, just stroking my ego!!!

coolhandluke wrote:

King James wrote:

olldflame wrote: I don't think we know yet about Austin or Brolin, who both could end up at D1 programs, but your point is well taken. I would say of that entire group, only Seth and Dees left primarily for basketball reasons. We've seen how that worked out for Dees. IMHO Seth has a lot of work to do if he is going to make any impact in Durham.

My personal opinion is that JUCO players (or any transfers with less than 3 years eligibility) should be recruited very selectivly, and I don't like bringing in a guy for 1 year, no matter how good he is. The goal should be to build with HS players who are good enough to contribute and fit in well enough that they want to stick around and get their degree from LU. Clearly, we have not yet acheived that goal.

Are you going to hate me if i agree with you?

No but he'll probably hate you if you keep on making such dumb posts...

Sorry, man, just stroking my ego!!!

Just trying to act like a moron so I can get cut down. Life is sooo much better when you get cut down.

olldflame wrote:

Liberty4Life wrote:

jcmanson wrote:I think the biggest problem is we don't have alot of guys that stay 4 years.

I think a lot of our guys shouldn't stay four years. They had no business being at LU, let alone at a D-I basketball program, in the first place.

Of the guys who left (since the beginning of the Dunton era), how many of them left to go play D-I ball elsewhere? I can think of three (Seth, B.J., and David Dees). Most of the rest of them couldn't cut it with Liberty, and left because frankly, basketball wasn't their meal ticket.

That's not to say that I'm against people staying around for all four years. Certainly, I am. But if someone like an Alex McLean is going to transfer in from a JUCO, I'll make a roster slot available for him... even if I have to cut Russell Monroe.

I don't think we know yet about Austin or Brolin, who both could end up at D1 programs, but your point is well taken. I would say of that entire group, only Seth and Dees left primarily for basketball reasons. We've seen how that worked out for Dees. IMHO Seth has a lot of work to do if he is going to make any impact in Durham.

My personal opinion is that JUCO players (or any transfers with less than 3 years eligibility) should be recruited very selectivly, and I don't like bringing in a guy for 1 year, no matter how good he is. The goal should be to build with HS players who are good enough to contribute and fit in well enough that they want to stick around and get their degree from LU. Clearly, we have not yet acheived that goal.

Well, you have to have a happy medium. I'm all for building a team, but if you can have someone come in a help immediately... you have to make that move*. Granted, I would like to get to a point where a talented JUCO player, a blue-chip one-and-done freshman, or a transferring ACC backup, aren't good enough to make a significant contribution because our exisiting roster is just that talented... but we're not there. Yet.

*unless his name is Dwight Brewington. That guy never should have smelled Lynchburg.

If we ever get to the point of recruiting one and done freshmen, I will !

It's the one and done seniors I don't like. I agree about Brew, and although TeeJay did a good job for us, he tied up a schollie for 2 years to play one. Not efficient use of resources IMHO.

King James wrote:Just trying to act like a moron so I can get cut down. Life is sooo much better when you get cut down.

2 things:

1) Your signature: Miley Cyrus is a music god not God because there is only one God.
2) I see you used the pic I got for your avatar.

olldflame wrote:If we ever get to the point of recruiting one and done freshmen, I will !

It's the one and done seniors I don't like. I agree about Brew, and although TeeJay did a good job for us, he tied up a schollie for 2 years to play one. Not efficient use of resources IMHO.

I don't know, I wasn't exactly doing... how the heck do you get the cartwheel smily face?... when Seth left.

And I never considered that we had to tie up two years of scholarships for one year of a transfer. Excellent point.

Liberty4Life wrote:

olldflame wrote:If we ever get to the point of recruiting one and done freshmen, I will !

It's the one and done seniors I don't like. I agree about Brew, and although TeeJay did a good job for us, he tied up a schollie for 2 years to play one. Not efficient use of resources IMHO.

I don't know, I wasn't exactly doing... how the heck do you get the cartwheel smily face?... when Seth left.

And I never considered that we had to tie up two years of scholarships for one year of a transfer. Excellent point.

Actually, I wasn't thinking of Seth, but I could see how you would think that. The cartwheel would come if we had a one year and on to the NBA freshman like Eric Gordon.

I believe TeeJay paid his way the year he was here but didn't play.

As for my statement about 4 year players, that's why we don't have many with big time career stats because we don't have many guys stay for 4 years. That's how you rack up solid career numbers. It goes to show that we have not done very well in that area when our top 2 career rebounders since 1996 are a 2 year JUCO and one of our best scoring guards ever.

Liberty4Life wrote:

jcmanson wrote:I think the biggest problem is we don't have alot of guys that stay 4 years.

I think a lot of our guys shouldn't stay four years. They had no business being at LU, let alone at a D-I basketball program, in the first place.

Of the guys who left (since the beginning of the Dunton era), how many of them left to go play D-I ball elsewhere? I can think of three (Seth, B.J., and David Dees). Most of the rest of them couldn't cut it with Liberty, and left because frankly, basketball wasn't their meal ticket.

That's not to say that I'm against people staying around for all four years. Certainly, I am. But if someone like an Alex McLean is going to transfer in from a JUCO, I'll make a roster slot available for him... even if I have to cut Russell Monroe.

Is it a coincidence that a lot of guys left under the Dunton regime?

BUSIMAN23 wrote:

Liberty4Life wrote:

jcmanson wrote:I think the biggest problem is we don't have alot of guys that stay 4 years.

I think a lot of our guys shouldn't stay four years. They had no business being at LU, let alone at a D-I basketball program, in the first place.

Of the guys who left (since the beginning of the Dunton era), how many of them left to go play D-I ball elsewhere? I can think of three (Seth, B.J., and David Dees). Most of the rest of them couldn't cut it with Liberty, and left because frankly, basketball wasn't their meal ticket.

That's not to say that I'm against people staying around for all four years. Certainly, I am. But if someone like an Alex McLean is going to transfer in from a JUCO, I'll make a roster slot available for him... even if I have to cut Russell Monroe.

Is it a coincidence that a lot of guys left under the Dunton regime?

A good coach knows how to weed out the bad apples. Too bad he weeded out David Dees.

King James wrote:

BUSIMAN23 wrote:

Liberty4Life wrote: I think a lot of our guys shouldn't stay four years. They had no business being at LU, let alone at a D-I basketball program, in the first place.

Of the guys who left (since the beginning of the Dunton era), how many of them left to go play D-I ball elsewhere? I can think of three (Seth, B.J., and David Dees). Most of the rest of them couldn't cut it with Liberty, and left because frankly, basketball wasn't their meal ticket.

That's not to say that I'm against people staying around for all four years. Certainly, I am. But if someone like an Alex McLean is going to transfer in from a JUCO, I'll make a roster slot available for him... even if I have to cut Russell Monroe.

Is it a coincidence that a lot of guys left under the Dunton regime?

A good coach knows how to weed out the bad apples. Too bad he weeded out David Dees.

And a good assistant coaching staff, Ex: Bob Davis and Stephon Leary

BUSIMAN23 wrote:

Liberty4Life wrote:

jcmanson wrote:I think the biggest problem is we don't have alot of guys that stay 4 years.

I think a lot of our guys shouldn't stay four years. They had no business being at LU, let alone at a D-I basketball program, in the first place.

Of the guys who left (since the beginning of the Dunton era), how many of them left to go play D-I ball elsewhere? I can think of three (Seth, B.J., and David Dees). Most of the rest of them couldn't cut it with Liberty, and left because frankly, basketball wasn't their meal ticket.

That's not to say that I'm against people staying around for all four years. Certainly, I am. But if someone like an Alex McLean is going to transfer in from a JUCO, I'll make a roster slot available for him... even if I have to cut Russell Monroe.

Is it a coincidence that a lot of guys left under the Dunton regime?

Some of those guys had no business being in school here.

Just three, as an example...

Stormin' Norman Simmons only came because we thought by bringing him in, a better player on his high school team would have played at LU.
Monceaux spent all his life being "the man" at his podunk Christian school, then when we brought in Larry Blair (a legit player) and Monceaux got injured, Jeremy cried his way back to Alabama.
Evan Risher was a complete dud. No reason to waste four years of scholarships on him.

As for David Dees, didn't he transfer because we wouldn't offer his younger brother (who wasn't that good) a scholarship?

Meanwhile, you had plenty of players who used all of their eligibility while here. Rell Porter stayed four years. So did Blair. Anthony Smith was a Dunton recruit, and he stayed four years. Same thing with Russell Monroe (love him or hate him). Dunton also convinced holdovers from the Hankinson regime to stay on board (like Lou Sneed, Jason Sarchet, Vince Okotie and such).

If you look at any of our coaches, you'll see a ton of turnover during their tenure. Dunton is not alone. What he did to bring Brewington into the fold was awful. But cut the guy some slack. We won a championship under him (two, if you count his days as an assis't coach).

Liberty4Life wrote:As for David Dees, didn't he transfer because we wouldn't offer his younger brother (who wasn't that good) a scholarship?

Sure if that's what makes you sleep at night.

Liberty4Life wrote:Anthony Smith was a Dunton recruit, and he stayed four years.

He wouldn't have stayed if Dunton would have stayed.

Liberty4Life wrote:

BUSIMAN23 wrote:

Liberty4Life wrote: I think a lot of our guys shouldn't stay four years. They had no business being at LU, let alone at a D-I basketball program, in the first place.

Of the guys who left (since the beginning of the Dunton era), how many of them left to go play D-I ball elsewhere? I can think of three (Seth, B.J., and David Dees). Most of the rest of them couldn't cut it with Liberty, and left because frankly, basketball wasn't their meal ticket.

That's not to say that I'm against people staying around for all four years. Certainly, I am. But if someone like an Alex McLean is going to transfer in from a JUCO, I'll make a roster slot available for him... even if I have to cut Russell Monroe.

Is it a coincidence that a lot of guys left under the Dunton regime?

Some of those guys had no business being in school here.

Just three, as an example...

Stormin' Norman Simmons only came because we thought by bringing him in, a better player on his high school team would have played at LU.
Monceaux spent all his life being "the man" at his podunk Christian school, then when we brought in Larry Blair (a legit player) and Monceaux got injured, Jeremy cried his way back to Alabama.
Evan Risher was a complete dud. No reason to waste four years of scholarships on him.

As for David Dees, didn't he transfer because we wouldn't offer his younger brother (who wasn't that good) a scholarship?

Meanwhile, you had plenty of players who used all of their eligibility while here. Rell Porter stayed four years. So did Blair. Anthony Smith was a Dunton recruit, and he stayed four years. Same thing with Russell Monroe (love him or hate him). Dunton also convinced holdovers from the Hankinson regime to stay on board (like Lou Sneed, Jason Sarchet, Vince Okotie and such).

If you look at any of our coaches, you'll see a ton of turnover during their tenure. Dunton is not alone. What he did to bring Brewington into the fold was awful. But cut the guy some slack. We won a championship under him (two, if you count his days as an assis't coach).

With good coaching some of these guys wouldnt of been duds. Doug Stewart is a prime example of that. He had some of the most talent to ever come through Liberty and the lack of development had a lot to do with the head coaching. As for Monceaux, the kid could play, but when Blair came in, Dunton did not do a good job of integrating Jeremy into the new dynamics of the team. As for convincing the holdovers to stay, was that really tough to do? They were all juniors and seniors without a future in basketball after college, were they really going to transfer to another school.