[JDUB]

i've never seen you on tv. the only time i watch games on tv is when i have to watch on my laptop in class, and i obviously don't have the volume on

[TIMSCAR20]

i've never seen you on tv. the only time i watch games on tv is when i have to watch on my laptop in class, and i obviously don't have the volume on

Get an ear piece JDUB....At least you get to see us on camera a few times though right? Next season I want you listening to us and not your professor. What kind of student are you? Sheesh

[Cider Jim]

Next season I want you listening to us and not your professor.

Fumble and I resemble that remark.

[thesportscritic]

he is pretty good with broadcasting i must admit.

[olldflame]

paradox,

I did not in any way imply that those early teams were D1 caliber, only that there were D1 caliber players who came. Of those I named, there were never more than 2 or 3 playing at the same time, and there were a lot of players on the squad who were borderline for any level of college ball.

It's not difficult, or for that matter particularly insightful to look up a coach's w/l record in the media guide. You are forgetting that I was there. Dan Manly was at LU to teach, and accepted the job as LU's first basketball coach because he had played the game, and there was noone else to do it. He stepped down from his position when he realized he did not have the background or desire to take the program in the direction Jerry wanted it to go, or for that matter, in his opinion, to do justice to some of the players who were already there like Mark Chafin (first team all-state in WV) or Karl Hess.

Manley was followed by "Skeeter" Swift, who was a new christian with some pro experience as a player, but a poor fit at LU. He was gone after one year, and his major contribution to the program was recruiting Ed Vickers. Dale Gibson, a phys. ed. prof who had been Manleys assistant, then took the job, again essentially because there was noone else to do it, but despite the fact he never really saw himself as a basketball coach, he managed to win an NCCAA championship. He also stepped down, for the same reasons as Manley, at which time Jeff Meyer was hired.

I said all of this to let you know that there were other reasons for LU's mediocre record in the early years, and one of the main ones was the fact that the teams were led by men who were terrific spiritual leaders, but were not professional coaches.

[paradox]

Old Flame:

Thanks for clearing that up.

We agree that those teams were not D1 caliber, but a few players from that era transcended LBC's level of play.

I have a great deal of respect for the players and coaches that you mentioned. I've heard from a number of reliable sources that several players were at least good enough to play on some of our current LU teams. Those guys played with a great deal of heart from what I've been told and in their era there were less than half as many D1 schools than we have today. So, I would agree on your point that many of the better players of the past would likely be D1 if they played today and the really good ones may have been able to play D1 back then too, if they had the opportunity. And I understand that some players passed on D1 opportunities in order to play here, as was the case with Hess and Chafin.

Also, I've been told that Meyer had a D1 backcourt in the old NAIA days with Kenny Gunn and Eric Gordon. He also had a big time center with Clifton Webber back in those days.

[Cider Jim]

a big time center with Clifton Webber

Wasn't he drafted by the Celtics or at least signed as a free agent? (Waiting to hear back from the )

[TIMSCAR20]

Yes Cliff Webber was drafted by the Celtics. And no that didn't stop me from Smashing over his 6-8 frame in pickup games when he and Dan Kennard would come play with us. I was no Anthony Smith or Gabe Martin or anything but I would dunk on a guys head every now and then. Steph Leary remembers it well I am sure because we couldn't stop talking about it up in the room. Webber was really, really good though and strong as an OX! Dan Kennard was 6-9 but was not as thick as C WEB (Can we call him that or does that soley belong to Chris Webber?). Anyway, there were 9 or 10 rounds of the draft back in the 80's not 2 like it is now. I believe Webber was a 9th round pick. The story goes that he got into a major altercation with Danny Ainge and Red Auerbach had him removed from the team. You can't take on Ainge and stick around. He played pro ball overseas as did Kennard. Kennard tried to get me to go to Greenland and play when I graduated but I wasn't interested in going anywhere but Washington DC after graduation and starting my corporate career.

[paradox]

My source from that era tells me that Webber was actually a third or fourth round pick by the Celtics and he was supposedly a D2 all-american as well. So, all in all, the guy was good enough to have a cup of coffee in the NBA, but not good enough to stick around for much more than that.

[Sly Fox]

Cliff was indeed drafted in the 4th round by the Cs.

[grm]

Returned from Hawaii - worked for a few days, and read some posts, including evaluations of LB. No wonder many think Nic Wright was dog meat, when I see how you consider LB. I realize this is really not relevant, but most of you guys could not now, nor on the best day of your life, carry the shoes of those you rate so harshly. You guys should be sports reporters -
(not including Chris on this one) - guys who couldn't throw the ball in the ocean if they were standing on the beach, but can criticize everybody on the court.

I know - I know - this board is here for blah, blah, blah -

And of course, the reason Larry sucked was Randy Dunton. Might as well get everybody all at once.

Anybody remember the BS Championship and Larry's game? That's the stuff that legends are made of -
It was a legendary game

Nice talking to you all again.

Nic could bust all of you guys - (maybe not SCAR in his prime)

[PAmedic]

You guys should be sports reporters -
(not including Chris on this one) - guys who couldn't throw the ball in the ocean if they were standing on the beach, but can criticize everybody on the court.

yup, thats me! hey, if the shoe fits...

you sound strangely like my wife!!!

good to see ya back- wish I was in Hawaii

[HenryGale]

Nic could bust all of you guys - (maybe not SCAR in his prime)

Nic's problem...he was always getting "busted"