If roundball is your blood, this is the place to discuss the Flames as they move into the Ritchie McKay era for the 2nd time.

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By kingaling42
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I find it interesting that some folks here act like McKay and the coaching staff were planning everything around Seth Curry's potential in their recruiting efforts.. Middle of his freshman year- maybe.. But coming out of high school- hard to believe.. So Curry's exit only cost LU 1 year at most.. it's 4 years later folks quit blaming him for stuff he had nothing to do with..

Curry had no other offers as you all point out.. in the same breath you act like everything was put on hold for this one guy.. maybe you felt that way after he led all freshmen in scoring- but I highly doubt anyone was planning for Seth to do what he did before he started his career at LU.. You're wrongfully basing this idea on what he did that first year- in reality you all had NO IDEA what he was going to do coming out of high school with no other offers.. then again, some folks here think EVERY recruit coming into LU is going to be all-world.. but I doubt that the coaches were planning 100% on his potential.. that's just not rational.

As for the rest I pretty much agree with JK37.. implications don't mean a thing.. when I signed my contract each year- it was always explained to me that it was for that year alone- there were no other guarantee's.. the school has an out for lack of performance, unacceptable classroom results, conduct unbecoming, player injury issues (ability to perform).. the student-athlete has options as well..

Whether or not the kid is drafted is not the issue in my eye (although he hung his rationale for leaving in that train of thought as I'm aware).. Curry is without a doubt a better player.. he has weighed his mettle against the best in the country in more than 3-5 games per year; Coach K is without question a better coach than McKay or anyone that LU would have had; Look at the weight & strength that Curry has gained.. I don't see JVP with that kind of physical improvement.. so I'm thinking Duke's player development program is clearly more advanced than LU's..

The other part of this to me is what if LU hadn't offered Seth a scholarship? Do you all really think he wouldn't have ended up somewhere? I realize that LU gave him scholarship money- but you weren't the only program to give him a chance.. he had offers to be a preferred walk-on in bigger programs as you'll recall.. his family certainly has the financial means to pay for tuition anywhere.. but it was the principal of the matter to him and/or his family given the Dell's pedigree.. bottom line is that Seth would have ended up likely being the same player in his freshman year once any of the nation's coaches saw him day-in/day-out because his talent was going to show itself somewhere.. Some guys get bad info to move on to programs they have no business being a part of.. Curry has done better at Duke than most would've thought, including myself.. High school recruiting is really hard stuff at all levels- for every diamond in the rough there are stories of over-hyped kids that are terrible outside of the high school ranks..

Be happy for the year and spark that he provided in his time at LU; wish him good luck or remain bitter..

For all the contract implications- did LU ever reimburse Kyle Ohman for his walk-on years without scholarship money? Didn't he earn something for his unpaid contributions? Where's the morality in that if you think Curry owed LU more than he fulfilled?
By TIMSCAR20
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JK and Kingaling are right. If we judge Curry by the standards some are holding him to in terms of transferring or not honoring a "contract" or making it a morality issue, then you have to use the stame standard for every coach that takes a new job, every school that fires a coach before his contract is up or doesn't renew a scholarship for any reason, as well as any other player that transfers. It just isn't the way things work.
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By jinxy
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Kingaling, I think there were actually quite a few people on this board that expected him to be very very good. Did we expect him to do 20 ppg or whatever probably not. If you go back and read the log most thought he'd come in and score 12-15 a game as a freshman and allow us to build around him the way Davidson was never able to do for his brother.

Totally agree with you about still blaming him for today. 1-2 years max was all that could be blamed on curry/mckay

The scholarship issue is very similar to the constant coaching carousel of major college athletics as pointed out. The problem is there is just no loyalty in college athletics from anyone, not the coaches, the schools, or the players.
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By NotAJerry
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JK37 wrote:In all of the debate, I've lost sight of the question. Am I the only one? Are we debating whether or not the move to Duke was better for Seth, or are we asking if it was right/wrong for him to make the decision to transfer, as he did?

Question 1: Is Seth better off for transferring to Duke?
My answer: Yes. As an aspiring pro, he has spent the last three seasons playing for arguably the greatest basketball coach of our generation, competing numerous times on national and regional television, and playing alongside and against a higher level of athlete night-in and night-out. Whether he makes the NBA or not (and I'm in the camp that he'll get a shot as a FA), I believe he has improved himself and prepared himself in a better way for the NBA by playing at Duke, as opposed to remaining at Liberty.

Question 2: Was Seth's decision to transfer to Duke morally right?
My answer: I do not believe his decision was wrong, and for the reasons listed in my answer to Question 1, I believe it was right for him. Therefore, morally, it was right. A scholarship is a one-year commitment, and it is renewed each successive year by agreement between student-athlete and institution. The institution is most often represented by the head coach. If an institution can choose to not renew a student-athlete's scholarship, then a student-athlete has just as much right to refuse his end of the agreement and elect to transfer to another institution.

Question 1 may be more open to debate, but Question 2 is ironclad.
Excellently stated. To try and say there was anything wrong with the act of transferring, and to single out the kid for some kind of anger/ridicule, is petty at best. He didn't leave the team high and dry. He transferred according to the rules when he got the chance to improve his situation athletically and academically. I can't imagine a rational reason to begrudge him for it.
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By NotAJerry
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alabama24 wrote:
BuryYourDuke wrote: Regardless of NCAA regulations of the length of scholarship, there is an implication from both parties that the athlete is coming there for his college career, not as a one year free agent.
That "implication" is yours alone. How many of the "best" b-ballers actually last 4 years? 2?
+1

Scholarships are 1 year deals that can be renewed for up to 5 years if there's a redshirt and more if injury waivers are granted. Nothing more, nothing less. Schools end scholarships earlier than 4 years often. Players do as well, and for a myriad of reasons. There's rarely anything wrong about the decision from either side.
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By adam42381
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Cider Jim wrote:Did anyone else enjoy watching Duke and Curry LOSE to Maryland?
Thoroughly. I don't hate Curry for leaving. I hate him because he plays for Dook.
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By NotAJerry
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Cider Jim wrote:Did anyone else enjoy watching Duke and Curry LOSE to Maryland?
Love rooting against Duke just because it's fun to root for the upset and they're always one of the top teams.
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By RubberMallet
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ballcoach15 wrote:I would want LU to win regardless of how many Curry scored. If we played Duke, key would be not to give Duke open looks from behind 3 point line. Duke basically lives and dies with the 3 pointer.
uhhh...there are over 100 teams that shoot the 3 ball more so than the dookies. they are one of the tops at making them but they certainly aren't living and dying by it.
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By RubberMallet
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once again, i can't see how anyone can lay out any type of argument outside of some shady dealings with the way he left that he made the wrong decision.

i'm not going back and looking for some long winded reasoning for it. a coherent argument certainly hasn't been spelled out in this thread. he owed liberty nothing. if the coach didn't prepare for that scenario playing out, then he's a bad coach. if the proper procedures are followed, transfering to a better program or going pro, its built into the system. theres no moral dilemma here.
By lynchburgwildcats
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RubberMallet wrote:he owed liberty nothing.
Be careful there, you just agreed with me. Might be a sign you need to go visit a psychologist. lol
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By adam42381
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The kid got a Duke education that he can always put on his résumé. That's easily enough to say it was the right decision.
By LUconn
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Double major in sociology and African & African-American studies with a certificate in markets & management studies.
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By flameshaw
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Duke degree is great, don't know how he is going to make a living with those majors though.
By lynchburgwildcats
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flameshaw wrote:Duke degree is great, don't know how he is going to make a living with those majors though.
Come on man, are you serious? He played basketball at Duke. A Duke alumnus will hook him up with a sweet job when his pro career is over, unless he goes in to coaching then Coach K will get him a good gig somewhere.
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By bballfan84
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some of you guys are just clueless...hmm Liberty Big South basketball or Duke basketball...no brainer!!!!!!!!! in the words of Cris Carter CMON MAN
By LUconn
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it really was just that simple wasn't it! Glad it worked out exactly like he wanted it!
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By Sly Fox
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WREG (CBS) Memphis wrote:Grizzlies Sign Curry For Scoring Help
Posted on: 9:50 pm, December 24, 2013, by Glenn Carver, updated on: 10:16pm, December 24, 2013


Memphis, TN-The Memphis Grizzlies signed guard Seth Curry of the NBA Development League’s Santa Cruz Warriors, the team announced today.
Curry (6-1, 180) comes to Memphis after averaging 21.3 points, 3.5 rebounds, 7.8 assists and 1.58 steals on .439 shooting in 37.3 minutes in 12 games (11 starts) for Santa Cruz this season. The 23-year-old ranks 10th in the D-League in scoring and second in assists per game. He has scored 20-or-more points seven times, including a career-high 36 in his D-League debut on Nov. 22 vs. Austin, and has recorded three double-doubles.
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