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kdinva wrote:Nice win, folks! Hope it is an all-virginia final on Sunday.Yes.
Did I read the play by play right? LU up one, 7 seconds to go, and Sanders launches a three? was the shot clock running out?
krh44 wrote:Are you thanking him sincerely for the big 3 or sarcastically for the 7 turnovers? He was as much the problem as the solution in the second half.jbock13 wrote:Guys... all I was saying was that as ugly as the 2nd half was, we still won. That's all.No I agree with you. We tried to give it away. Thank Marshall ...
olldflame wrote:You just don't read my posts do you? I love Gielo and think he can be a lot better than he is. My point is and has always been you can't revolve the team around Sanders and have him dominate the ball. The last 2 games he has not and we have won. (Despite his 3 point launch at the end. Get the ball to a better player then try jacking it up on your own). I like THAT recipe for success and always have..
So much for the ¨recipe¨Haize. Gielo stank it up and we won. I do believe we need a better game from him to beat GW though.
Purple Haize wrote:What you are essentially saying is that you want to take a player who, while talented, is mentally weak and has been the very picture of inconsistancy, put the ball in his hands and make him the facilitator of the offense, and expect him to suddenly play better? He has done nothing to earn that role Haize, and I think it would be a disaster for now. 2 years from now, or maybe sometime late next year I can see it. Right now........... no way.olldflame wrote:You just don't read my posts do you? I love Gielo and think he can be a lot better than he is. My point is and has always been you can't revolve the team around Sanders and have him dominate the ball. The last 2 games he has not and we have won. (Despite his 3 point launch at the end. Get the ball to a better player then try jacking it up on your own). I like THAT recipe for success and always have..
So much for the ¨recipe¨Haize. Gielo stank it up and we won. I do believe we need a better game from him to beat GW though.
olldflame wrote:Define ¨dominating the bäll¨ for me if you can Haize. Fact is it´s something totally subjective, and if you go in with a presupposition that we are bad when JC does it and good when he doesn´t then when we win, all you have to say is ¨see, I was right. JC stopped dominating the ball and we won.¨ I don´t see that he has played any differently these 2 games than he has the last 2 months, except he hasn´t been making his shots. He has taken more shots than anyone and has more assists. Hard to do that if you don´t have the ball.My comments are based more on his over dribbling, his over penetration and trying to make something out of nothing. I've been thru it all before. I see he is taking the most shots which isn't a good sign. But from a counter intuitive stand point, the fact he has shot poorly maybe keeps him from doing the other bad things. The kid can bring something to the table, but being the focus of an offense at this level isn't it. Sort of like bringing a ham to Passover
olldflame wrote:I was thanking him for the three and toward the end he seemed like the he took charge. I must have missed the 7 TOs.krh44 wrote:Are you thanking him sincerely for the big 3 or sarcastically for the 7 turnovers? He was as much the problem as the solution in the second half.jbock13 wrote:Guys... all I was saying was that as ugly as the 2nd half was, we still won. That's all.No I agree with you. We tried to give it away. Thank Marshall ...
We won at the line. 17 for 18 including a huge 1 and 1 by Coronado down the stretch. He may have been awful from the line overall this year, but he has really stepped up in the clutch a couple of times lately. Law played a decent game stepping in for BRown, but he alone missed 5 or 6 FT which could have won the game for them
So much for the ¨recipe¨Haize. Gielo stank it up and we won. I do believe we need a better game from him to beat GW though.
ballcoach15 wrote:How did HP get back in the game ? I went to bed with LU leading 39-22.Otherwise known as "halftime" or "9:30pm"
SCAR wrote:Well I can tell you that Cabe had the ball in his hands a lot and was effective. I disagree with Haize in a sense about the whole JC Role thing. I understand what he is saying though. Cabe did have a tendency to over penetrate and get in trouble. But the last 2 months his discernment has been much, much better. Without him penetrating like he has, the offense would be stagnant like it was in the 1st semester.Kessens is really, really good. I will make a bold prediction that when all is said and done he will have a better career than John Brown.
Liberty needs JC to play that role. It puts pressure on the defense and it opens up driving and passing lanes for others. As for Gielo, he has a special set of skills. Gielo has a lot of big time experience against some major US players and international players and he has performed outstanding. I won't go into all the details but he is considered one of the top players in Europe for a reason.
The problem with Gielo is that he gets down on himself at times. When he is engaged and confident like he was on Tuesday he is one of the best in this league (I say that without Hyperbole). When he figures it all out next season he is going to be special. He was solid again last night and had a really timely putback.
The comback was made by HPU because the game got really physical and HPU was fouling but it wasn't being called. All the bumps and grabs on drives to the basket were crazy. They were in desperation mode and they trapped and pressured the guards and made it really tough to run offense. Then they got confident and started hitting shots plus they were getting transition opportunities off the turnovers.
No choke job, no melt down, just the eb and flow of a hotly contested basketball game in a do or die situation. High Point has an ACC/SEC Stud in Chaney! He is scary. The NBA Scout I was sitting with was very impressed with him and Longwood's Michael Kessens yesterday.
We had this debate before and you bowed to my awesomeness! I agree that is the role he HAS to play this year I just think he needs to play it better. If he were to use the FT line as a giant wall of fire and penetrate accordingly, a lot of the issues would resolve themselves. He needs to channel his inner Jordan Hulls!Purple Haize wrote:SCAR - you are an idiot and have no idea what you are talking aboutCoach Haize, I told you I understand why you think the way you do about him but I also said I disagree. There are certainly moments that he gets jammed up but that is the peril you face when you penetrate. Last night I was holding my breath way more when Davon had the ball in his hand late than when JC had it. Davon is so skilled with the ball in his hands that he tends to be sort of casual with the ball and takes risks. He has got some serious playground moves in his game. In the end though I'm glad we are still having this debate. I hope it continues all the way to the NCAA's. And my beach umbrella drink is alcohol free for the record
As for Gielo, I think you are spot on. I've not seen him in practice so that might be an issue as well. I've seen players like him with that mentality and would actually enjoy coaching them.
Now go back to your umbrella drinks on the beach!
SCAR wrote: ... No choke job, no melt down, just the eb and flow of a hotly contested basketball game in a do or die situation. High Point has an ACC/SEC Stud in Chaney! He is scary. The NBA Scout I was sitting with was very impressed with him and Longwood's Michael Kessens yesterday.Kessens is very good and has lots of room for more growth.. I think he is going to have a better career than Brown- I don't think that's a stretch at all.. Brown continues to have issues with that same broken foot- maybe it just didn't get fixed correctly the first time- or Brown could be injury prone.. Kessens had better conference numbers than Brown- and had better all-around stats this year.. Plus I hear that Brown is the kind of guy to transfer if he gets a better offer..
something's just not right about the situation IMO.. Frankly I just hope he's truly medically OK.. Would hate to see something bad happen just so Cherry can save his job.. although I think Cherry's gonna be gone now anyway..SCAR wrote:What about your 'off the record' drinks? I was interested to see Big South Media held their post game debriefs at The GoldClub. Top notch!Purple Haize wrote:SCAR - you are an idiot and have no idea what you are talking aboutCoach Haize, I told you I understand why you think the way you do about him but I also said I disagree. There are certainly moments that he gets jammed up but that is the peril you face when you penetrate. Last night I was holding my breath way more when Davon had the ball in his hand late than when JC had it. Davon is so skilled with the ball in his hands that he tends to be sort of casual with the ball and takes risks. He has got some serious playground moves in his game. In the end though I'm glad we are still having this debate. I hope it continues all the way to the NCAA's. And my beach umbrella drink is alcohol free for the record
As for Gielo, I think you are spot on. I've not seen him in practice so that might be an issue as well. I've seen players like him with that mentality and would actually enjoy coaching them.
Now go back to your umbrella drinks on the beach!
BJWilliams wrote:You have to wonder about Coach Ellis down at CCU too...in 6 seasons CCU has lost in the quarterfinals now 4 times (and two losses on national TV in the championship game), including two straight losses on their own floor.
olldflame wrote:Jeff MeyerBJWilliams wrote:You have to wonder about Coach Ellis down at CCU too...in 6 seasons CCU has lost in the quarterfinals now 4 times (and two losses on national TV in the championship game), including two straight losses on their own floor.
If Ellis has not won a championship going into the last year Myrtle Beach hosts the tourney, I predict the president of CCU will give him a win or you´re out ultimatum. He will refuse to coach under those conditions and looking for someone who has experience in this situation, they will hire Randy Dunton as interum coach.
olldflame wrote:Cliff runs things down there as I understand it.. their Admin/AD seems perfectly content to continue to let Cliff put mediocre teams on the court that bow out in the first round of the Coastal Invitation Tourney- err I mean Big South Conference tourney at Myrtle Beach.. With the lack of success, although he has had good seasons regarding good win-loss records playing 5-6 non-D1's (which he can't do anymore) or really bad D1's.. then factor in the NCAA issues, off the court arrests, and other issues- most coaches would've been gone- especially considering they've had the tourney on their campus 3 of the last 4 years with nothing to show for it.. my guess is that he's there as long as he wants to be there.. they should let him go.. but who knows.. they're certainly not going to be good next year either..BJWilliams wrote:You have to wonder about Coach Ellis down at CCU too...in 6 seasons CCU has lost in the quarterfinals now 4 times (and two losses on national TV in the championship game), including two straight losses on their own floor.
If Ellis has not won a championship going into the last year Myrtle Beach hosts the tourney, I predict the president of CCU will give him a win or you´re out ultimatum. He will refuse to coach under those conditions and looking for someone who has experience in this situation, they will hire Randy Dunton as interum coach.
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