If roundball is your blood, this is the place to discuss the Flames as they move into the Ritchie McKay era for the 2nd time.

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By Purple Haize
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kingaling42 wrote:
R i wrote:Let me make my opinion on Rowsey clear prior to his college career starting. I dont think he will be a first team all conference player at the Big South Level. He was over hyped.
You might want to ask Barclay how he feels about this tonight..
35 points. Yep, totally over rated. :roll:
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By Purple Haize
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BJWilliams wrote:He's doing pretty well for himself to be sure...whether he can keep this up for 4 years remains to be seen in my view
Then your view will require an ophthalmology appointment.
By SuperJon
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BJWilliams wrote:He's doing pretty well for himself to be sure...whether he can keep this up for 4 years remains to be seen in my view
That's stupid.
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By Purple Haize
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SuperJon wrote:
BJWilliams wrote:He's doing pretty well for himself to be sure...whether he can keep this up for 4 years remains to be seen in my view
That's stupid.
Consider the source.
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By BJWilliams
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He is having a good year... that said, nothing says that he doesnt suffer a serious injury and loses either the spring in his jump or his first step isnt as quick. Or he makes a bad decision and gets dismissed from the team/school. There are any number of variables that come into play over the next three years outside of his control that can affect whether or not they all work out the way this one has
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By Purple Haize
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BJWilliams wrote:He is having a good year... that said, nothing says that he doesnt suffer a serious injury and loses either the spring in his jump or his first step isnt as quick. Or he makes a bad decision and gets dismissed from the team/school. There are any number of variables that come into play over the next three years outside of his control that can affect whether or not they all work out the way this one has
That's true for ANY player. You have now been promoted Thank you Admiral Obvious

You made it sound like he still had something to prove. KING and I were responding to r i statement. Saying 'whether or not he can keep it up for 4 years remains to be seen in my view' says you think he was over hyped too. :brownbag
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By kingaling42
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BJWilliams wrote:He is having a good year... that said, nothing says that he doesnt suffer a serious injury and loses either the spring in his jump or his first step isnt as quick. Or he makes a bad decision and gets dismissed from the team/school. There are any number of variables that come into play over the next three years outside of his control that can affect whether or not they all work out the way this one has
That logic has the same logic as some of the "Power Rankings" I see published each week.. I mean I can throw darts at a wall too if folks ever need some help with those..

So basically you're saying that if anything that could happen to any other kid playing college basketball doesn't happen- then he's going to be alright.. I'm glad you pretty much conceded that you have no reason whatsoever to talk about this kid in a negative regard.. The bottom line is that he didn't want to go to LU or VMI and just the Holmes twins leaving Asheville you have to eat some crow when those players pan out.. he's a heck of a player and has absolutely no fear (sometimes that's good/sometimes not so much)- is he going to put up 40 a night like HS, no he won't do that.. but clearly he's playing at the right level given all the factors.. for folks to presume he won't do this or that- is fairly ignorant
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By Purple Haize
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kingaling42 wrote:
BJWilliams wrote:He is having a good year... that said, nothing says that he doesnt suffer a serious injury and loses either the spring in his jump or his first step isnt as quick. Or he makes a bad decision and gets dismissed from the team/school. There are any number of variables that come into play over the next three years outside of his control that can affect whether or not they all work out the way this one has
That logic has the same logic as some of the "Power Rankings" you publish each week.. I mean I can throw darts at a wall too if you ever need some help with those..

So basically you're saying that if anything that could happen to any other kid playing college basketball doesn't happen- then he's going to be alright.. I'm glad you pretty much conceded that you have no reason whatsoever to talk about this kid in a negative regard.. The bottom line is that he didn't want to go to LU or VMI and just the Holmes twins leaving Asheville you have to eat some crow when those players pan out.. he's a heck of a player and has absolutely no fear (sometimes that's good/sometimes not so much)- is he going to put up 40 a night like HS, no he won't do that.. but clearly he's playing at the right level given all the factors.. for folks to presume he won't do this or that- is fairly ignorant
I agree with just about everything. However LU didn't recruit him because they didn't think he could make an impact on our team. THAT is fairly ignorant IMO. I think he will do quite well
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kingaling42 wrote:
BJWilliams wrote:He is having a good year... that said, nothing says that he doesnt suffer a serious injury and loses either the spring in his jump or his first step isnt as quick. Or he makes a bad decision and gets dismissed from the team/school. There are any number of variables that come into play over the next three years outside of his control that can affect whether or not they all work out the way this one has
That logic has the same logic as some of the "Power Rankings" I see published each week.. I mean I can throw darts at a wall too if folks ever need some help with those..
You're not kidding, this year more than most. Total crapshoot. League is wide, wide open, totally unpredictable.

Also, Rowsey is good. Looking forward to watching him up close.
By Bigsouthking
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Very good offensive player. He turns the rock over a lot. He has benefited from the fact that Hornsby transferred & Meyer is out for the year, along with Weeks. He is the only pg on team, that equals a lot of minutes, freedom to shoot, etc.

He score majority of points when Asheville is trailing. And also when Lane, Cunningham get offensive rebounds and kick out. Not sure he would be this productive under any other coach except in VMI's style. He will entertain the crowd if game is at a fast pace. Has Curry, Austin Kenon type range on shot.
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By kingaling42
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First, DJ rarely kicks the ball back out if he gets the board.. the best center in the league tries to score down there ..
Second, Jaron Lane isn't to be confused as a prolific offensive rebounder (except for the BSC tourney final 2 years ago vs Coastal)- he doesn't kick it out either though!
Third, a number of BSC teams could utilize Rowsey's skill set... In fact I can't think of a single team that couldn't utilize the fact that he can shoot from deep, his pull up game is nice, and he can score at the basket as well.. the kid just knows how to score- you don't think he would put up 30+ or average 17+ playing for another team- that's just kinda silly considering the inconsistency of the Big South teams..
Fourth, he plays the 2 guard in the UNCA offensive set and rarely dribbles to set up plays except when the shot clock is running down or if there are foul issues since UNCA lacks guard depth- Roberts & Littlejohn run the point.. he's short but not a PG..
Fifth, you're right in that he turns the ball over a lot (he is a freshman by all accounts) and he benefitted from other guys being hurt however Weeks' injury hasn't really affected his rotation- Rowsey doesn't play power forward
Six, he certainly has the freedom to shoot to a certain extent but then again why would you limit that? When he's crazy hot like the other night- you just sit back and watch the guy help to end the game on a 18-3 run by contributing your 11 points and 2 assists down the 4 min stretch.. Asheville may have been trailing but it's not like they down 30- the game was still close enough to have the pressure to make the shots- especially if you saw some of the well guarded shots he drained.. the last 3 shots he made you couldn't have asked the defenders to do much more..

If you're going to discount him, do so on the defensive side of the ball as he's not a very good defender at all.. he turns the ball over and throws some HS/weak passes.. otherwise his offensive gifts are simply good enough for any team in this league.
By olldflame
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Sly Fox wrote:Does anyone else see the irony? :mrgreen:

Somewhere Seth is smiling despite his recent unemployment.
He's not exactly unemployed, although I'm sure his check for the Santa Cruz Warriors is a bit shy of what he would be making if he were still with Memphis or Golden State. I don't think it's an overstatement to say he's pretty much tearing up the Dleague, averaging 22 points and 7.5 assists a game. If he keeps producing like that I don't think there is any doubt at some point another NBA team will give him a longer look than Memphis did.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/seth_curry/
By Bigsouthking
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My point being that if Hornsby or Meyer were playing, he maybe shooting well but not putting up those type numbers. Time & shoot opportunities create scoring. Maybe for PC he would help but most other teams besides PC/HP have guards already that were/are pretty dang good.

Plus he is playing for the assistant that recruited him, so of course Nick gives him more freedom because of that. Just like RMK gave Curry free reign!
By thepostman
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Sly Fox wrote:Does anyone else see the irony? :mrgreen:

Somewhere Seth is smiling despite his recent unemployment.
This is probably your worst post ever.
By ballcoach15
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I see Rowsey scored 35 points last night. LU needs a player who can score over 30 points from time to time. LU should have went after him hard on recruiting trail. If we had gotten him, great, if not , at least we tried.
By TIMSCAR20
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I watched a lot of their game last night online. Rowsey is a good player. Just because he scored 35 last night doesn't mean he had a good game though. QJ Peterson went for 37 and Rodney Glasgow 35. Much of that was on Rowsey.

Recruiting is way more complex than what some on this board believe it to be. I can honestly say that if I was coaching at LU currently that I wouldn't necessarily had wanted to recruit Rowsey. Glasgow? ABSOLUTELY!!! Kid can score AND run a team. One of the most under rated players in this league. He is as good as Chris Gaynor was at Winthrop years ago to me. Obviously Gaynor played with a ton of big time talent and his teams had more success (He never lost a Big South Tournament game I believe).

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By Purple Haize
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SCAR wrote:I watched a lot of their game last night online. Rowsey is a good player. Just because he scored 35 last night doesn't mean he had a good game though. QJ Peterson went for 37 and Rodney Glasgow 35. Much of that was on Rowsey.

Recruiting is way more complex than what some on this board believe it to be. I can honestly say that if I was coaching at LU currently that I wouldn't necessarily had wanted to recruit Rowsey. Glasgow? ABSOLUTELY!!! Kid can score AND run a team. One of the most under rated players in this league. He is as good as Chris Gaynor was at Winthrop years ago to me. Obviously Gaynor played with a ton of big time talent and his teams had more success (He never lost a Big South Tournament game I believe).

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Rowsey is certainly more of a lead guard than he is a point guard, but having seen him play he could make the transition to a #2. Combine that with an athletic point that could make up for his current defensive issues you'd be set.
As for recruiting him last year, we pretty much play with a lead guard in Sanders anyways and Rowsey is quantitatively better at it. So he pretty much fits the system.
By TIMSCAR20
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Yeah it is no doubt that he is an exciting player and a good player in this league. I was just saying I don't blame Liberty or anyone else for not recruiting him if they felt like he wasn't what they wanted. Not every kid is a "can't miss" type of player. Many Big South players that end up being impact players, were not heavily recruited and some that had several offers, end up not panning out.
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By Purple Haize
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I agree its about your 'system' and I was basing on the style we play. But the kid was pretty close to 'can't miss' for the BSC. He's a Junior Jimmer Ferdette without the rap mogul brother :)
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