[olldflame]

I'm not sure if I would want to compete against John Stockton's son to be the PG at Gonzaga.

[TheRealScoop]

Sources close to the Evan Gordon situation say that more players are unhappy and are ready to transfer.

[Sly Fox]

I guess they hid their emotions better than the person who has already left. There's only so much playing time to go around.

[jbock13]

If true, now we all see why we went on our 6 game slide.

By the way, if Gordon transfers to BYU, he pretty much won't see any playing time. I think he's trying to get into the NBA. Its clear he wants to go to a "basketball school". I'm sorry, but averaging 13 PPG in the Little South won't get you there.

I just don't get it with men's basketball. It just seems to be a never-ending curse.

[TDDance234]

Sources close to the Evan Gordon situation say that more players are unhappy and are ready to transfer.

..let the speculation begin. Burrus? JVP? McMasters?

[ballah09]

well you never know with Liberty basketball

but if you're going to speculate .....

Burrus, Chene, Asaad, Sommy, and Carter are the only ones I see leaving

[jack_sparrow81]

This goes on with all programs not just LU basketball. I just read this article yesterday about the pg on vcu, rodriguez, who is from my hometown, was on the verge of transferring to Rollins College down here in Winter Park because he was "homesick". It goes on everywhere

[Hold My Own]

I'd be sad to see Burrus and Sommy leave. I'm hoping I dont learn who is leaving before it is announced. Finding out about Evan well before it was announced only had me wondering if today was the day that it happens and if it really will happen and isnt just speech out of emotion.


Jack: You are 100% correct. It happens EVERYWHERE. Which also brings to question when some changes will be made to the APR, b/c if this trend in CBB continues there will be no teams left eligible.

[Hold My Own]

This situation is in no way comparable to last year. EG wasnt even the best player on our team. Let's not act as if he's the future of Liberty basketball or our franchise player. Is there really any debate that the last two announced transfers is anything less then having parents in the kids ears with a sense of entitlement. Its not like they were leaving because having "differences with the coach's" or anything...that's not even being rumored behind closed doors. They have been given the idea that the grass is greener....it appeared to work for one...this one I have doubts about but who knows.

[olldflame]

I think you meant to say it's not comparable to 2 years ago HMO (Curry), and I agree. As far as the players who left last year are concerned, I would say that we upgraded. If another player or 2 decide to leave this year, I think the same could well be the case next year. I really hope it's not Sommy though.

[jcmanson]

Don't kid yourself. "This" does not happen everywhere. Yes transfers happen everywhere. The top players on a team don't continually transfer out every year other places. This a problem.

Seriously. And you don't have to replace half of your team because of transfers every year. What we have seen at LU the past 3-4 years does not happen everywhere.

[olldflame]

I'm not sure our transfer rate is that out of line if you were to compare it with other programs that have gone through 2 coaching changes in such short order. As far as replacing "half the team" is concerned, I understand that was hyperbole, but the fact is last year we only lost 2 players who actually contributed, and in at least one case the replacement was a huge improvement.

JVP has used his redshirt year, so he would have to be extremely unhappy to leave, and I don't think that's the case. That pretty much leaves Chene, Sommy and Antwan in terms of players who made any significant contribution. Most of us pretty much figured that Carter and Asaad were out already. I have to say that right now the idea of Chene leaving is a bit scarey, since with Evan gone it would leave us without anything remotely resembling a backup PG coming back. We would almost have to look at bringing in a JUCO PG at that point.

[TheRealScoop]

Sources close to Big South Basketball report that in order to keep Jesse Sanders from transferring, Coach Dale Layer asked the other Big South coaches to vote Evan Gordon and John Brown to the second-team, while voting Jesse Sanders to the first team and player of the year.

[Sly Fox]

It doesn't appear coincidental that our newest poster joined on the day he did.

[olldflame]

Sources close to Big South Basketball report that in order to keep Jesse Sanders from transferring, Coach Dale Layer asked the other Big South coaches to vote Evan Gordon and John Brown to the second-team, while voting Jesse Sanders to the first team and player of the year.

Yes, and my sources say that Layer also threatened to hold his breath til he turned blue if they didn't vote him coach of the year.

[TheRealScoop]

This for everyone who may have speculation that I am Evan Gordon I am not. I am just a concerned alum who does not want our basketball program to crumble in root of these dark allegations that have been brought before us.

[Schfourteenteen]

Sources close to Big South Basketball report that in order to keep Jesse Sanders from transferring, Coach Dale Layer asked the other Big South coaches to vote Evan Gordon and John Brown to the second-team, while voting Jesse Sanders to the first team and player of the year.

Those coaches can't keep him eligible!

[WinthropEagleFan]

I'd be sad to see Burrus and Sommy leave. I'm hoping I dont learn who is leaving before it is announced. Finding out about Evan well before it was announced only had me wondering if today was the day that it happens and if it really will happen and isnt just speech out of emotion.


Jack: You are 100% correct. It happens EVERYWHERE. Which also brings to question when some changes will be made to the APR, b/c if this trend in CBB continues there will be no teams left eligible.

If I understand it right, it doesn't hurt your APR if a guy transfers and is in good academic standing (as in he's on track for graduation).

[jbock13]

I'm not sure if anyone has heard this or not, but apparently, I've heard that the whole team is transferring to Southern Virginia. The intermural all-stars team may be forced to replace them.

[Cider Jim]

Yes, and my sources say that Layer also threatened to hold his breath til he turned blue.

At least he didn't threaten to turn PURPLE.

[olldflame]

Speaking of which, congrats to ole PF for winning the NIT.

[Hold My Own]

I'd be sad to see Burrus and Sommy leave. I'm hoping I dont learn who is leaving before it is announced. Finding out about Evan well before it was announced only had me wondering if today was the day that it happens and if it really will happen and isnt just speech out of emotion.


Jack: You are 100% correct. It happens EVERYWHERE. Which also brings to question when some changes will be made to the APR, b/c if this trend in CBB continues there will be no teams left eligible.

If I understand it right, it doesn't hurt your APR if a guy transfers and is in good academic standing (as in he's on track for graduation).

I'm under the impression it matters under certain situations. If the player leaves academically eligible, if they end up finishing and a bunch of other things. This does not hurt you as much as saying a player simply dropping out but I'm pretty sure it still is a minor deduction. This whole thing is so confusing its hard to understand so I really dont know. I have a huge amount of respect for anyone working in compliance...they have to be brilliant to understand what the NCAA wants.

[ALAFlamesFan]

Sources close to Big South Basketball report that in order to keep Jesse Sanders from transferring, Coach Dale Layer asked the other Big South coaches to vote Evan Gordon and John Brown to the second-team, while voting Jesse Sanders to the first team and player of the year.

This sounds completely absurd and I don't believe it. However, if it were true then I say to Jesse: Please leave now. Jesse is a good player and I am sure a good guy but there is no place for me first, team second attitudes be they Curry, Gordon, or Sanders. No one is bigger than the team and we will end up fine without him. No one on our team is so good they are not replaceable. We are not an elite team at this point.

Now like I said I don't believe TheRealScoop. Jesse deserved the 1st team nod and with Holloway in trouble he was among the top of the possible POY candidates. Plus if I were a Big South coach I would not go along with any such plan.

My point is this: If you are unhappy LEAVE. Get out. I am sick of whiners and prima donnas who think more highly of themselves than they ought. I want to cheer for a TEAM. /rant

[jcmanson]

I'm not sure our transfer rate is that out of line if you were to compare it with other programs that have gone through 2 coaching changes in such short order.

VCU has had 3 coaches in the same time period. I'm not going to go through it year by year, but I can guarantee you they haven't had near the turnover we have had. Honestly, I can't recall ANY turnover for them during that time.

Until we rectify this problem we will be no better than we were this season. We're not Kentucky.

[olldflame]

You can always find the exception that proves the rule manson, and it's easy to say that because one school was able to do something, we should be able to do it too. VCU had a solid program to begin with, and then was able to pluck 2 consecutive fantastic young assistants from Donavan's staff at Florida. They knew Grant would probably be moving to a big program practically from the time he arrived, and pretty much had Smart lined up as a replacement. LU had a program in disarray with NCAA penalties looming when they made their first change and then got blind sided 2 years later. In general, turnover in coaches means more turnover in players.

Comparing us to Kentucky is ludicrus. They lost 5 NBA first-rounders last year. We lost 2 bench warmers and 2 freshmen who were borderline big South players. Actually, our biggest "loss" was Ohman graduating, but guess what? We got better. Despite the sinister references of "TheRealScoop" (who pretty much lost all credibility with his last post anyway) we have only lost Gordon to this point, and I am already hearing people say that we are probably better off for it in the big picture.