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Ed Dantes wrote: Or maybe they realized that this tournament is a joke.If that was their reasoning, then they're a joke. Tell the Holmes kids', who have done so much for them, that they can't play any more when they had the oppurtunity.
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olldflame wrote:VMI wasn't picked by anyone? That's just wrong.from the Keydets message board, for what it's worth:
Early word is that the athletic department and the basketball team have decided NIT or bust. Doesn't appear the costs and let down of the CBI or CIT are worth it.
bigred wrote:We are not a joke, that tourney is a joke and a money loser. This was a conscious choice by the Institute.The CBI is a money loser.
SuperJon wrote:I Agree to disagree.bigred wrote:We are not a joke, that tourney is a joke and a money loser. This was a conscious choice by the Institute.The CBI is a money loser.
The CI.com isn't. The financials are completely different for the two. VMI crapped the bucket not taking the CI.com tournament. For a school that has trouble recruiting and can use all the exposure it can get, this tournament would've been great.
Sly Fox wrote:I get the feeling that BigRed is inferring that the exposure is minimal at best and not worth the financial troubles of travel. That is completely conjecture on my part.Fan exposure, sure. It helps recruiting though. There's no denying that.
SuperJon wrote:How is this a bad thing to recruiting? You can say you played in the post season. You would've had the chance to play against two in-state schools you otherwise wouldn't have played (ODU and JMU). You would've had the chance to play The Citadel. How is that bad for a school like VMI who needs every recruiting advantage they can get?
Keydetbaseball36 wrote: CIT- I don't mean this as a jab in any way to Liberty basketball, but the team felt they deserved to play in a better tournament than against the Citadel (1st Round TKO in the SoCon) and LU (you did beat us the first time without Travis, but 55 point spread in the last two defeats of LU without Jesse). This is great for your younger guys though with more minutes played and represent the Big South well against Rider!Wow. That's fairly arrogant of the team. Even if we had gone 0-3 against you.
SuperJon wrote:I said this in the other thread before reading your board or your latest post:
1) ODU turned down the NIT to play in this tournament. They would rather host a few winnable games than get sent on the road to a power conference school in the NIT. Unless they were going to host, they weren't going to the NIT. ODU saw the CI better than the NIT.
2) VMI said NIT or bust because of exams. They were willing to skip exams to go to the NIT but nothing else. The thing that doesn't make sense at all is that they would've hosted in the CI and wouldn't have had to miss any class. Then they would've had a week off before potentially traveling (in-state likely) for a second round game.
3) The NIT is the biggest money loser of them all, which makes VMI's NIT or Bust thing that much more ridiculous. You have to put up something like $100 grand to host the NIT. They would've had to travel to a power school and miss plenty of school.
4) This tournament has some very well respected people behind it. Lefty Driesell (Former head coach, University of Maryland), Hugh Durham (Former head coach, University of Georgia), Pat Flannery (Former head coach, Bucknell University), Lou Henson (Former head coach, Illinois University), Jim Kerwin (Former head coach, Western Illinois University), Kyle Macy (Former head coach, Morehead State University), Jim Phelan (Former head coach, Mount St. Mary’s), Nolan Richardson (Former head coach, University of Arkansas), Riley Wallace (Former head coach, University of Hawaii), Perry Watson (Former head coach, University of Detroit), and Rich Zvosec (Former head coach, UMKC). This isn't just something thrown together at the last minute.
Keydetbaseball36 wrote:Academics meant more not mention how bad our team would be next year (see Jesse Sanders injury) if a guy like Kenon, Burks, or Gabriel blew out his knee against JMU or Rider in a meaningless game. ... Does nothing to help us in recruiting.Point a) Your guys go through more physical training than anyone else. They're just as likely to blow their knee out doing that or playing pick up ball somewhere as they are to blow it out in a game.
SuperJon wrote:Keydetbaseball36 wrote:Academics meant more not mention how bad our team would be next year (see Jesse Sanders injury) if a guy like Kenon, Burks, or Gabriel blew out his knee against JMU or Rider in a meaningless game. ... Does nothing to help us in recruiting.Point a) Your guys go through more physical training than anyone else. They're just as likely to blow their knee out doing that or playing pick up ball somewhere as they are to blow it out in a game.
Point b) Recruiting, especially at our level, isn't all about wins or losses. It's about who you play. We (Big South schools) compete against the CAA big time in terms of recruiting. They're the big guy school that a lot of our recruits think they can do good at. If you can say we played them and we need to you to help us beat them, that's big to recruits.
Keydetbaseball36 wrote:SuperJon wrote:Keydetbaseball36 wrote:Academics meant more not mention how bad our team would be next year (see Jesse Sanders injury) if a guy like Kenon, Burks, or Gabriel blew out his knee against JMU or Rider in a meaningless game. ... Does nothing to help us in recruiting.Point a) Your guys go through more physical training than anyone else. They're just as likely to blow their knee out doing that or playing pick up ball somewhere as they are to blow it out in a game.
Point b) Recruiting, especially at our level, isn't all about wins or losses. It's about who you play. We (Big South schools) compete against the CAA big time in terms of recruiting. They're the big guy school that a lot of our recruits think they can do good at. If you can say we played them and we need to you to help us beat them, that's big to recruits.
True about the physical stuff, but that is apart of the school experience=meaningful. A blown ACL in the CIT against JMU for one of our best returning players=meaningless. And let's be serious, we are not on the same recruiting level. We could never get an Anthony Smith, Kenny Thomas, or Joseph Harris. Just not happening right now. We get the players everyone else passed over because they couldn't shoot well enough, they aren't tall enough, or they are just fast and and explosive with no other game. Good example: Reggie Williams- he chose us over maybe 1 or 2 small SoCon schools. Kenon chose us over App. State and the money wasn't on the same level.
And for the record...I would take Anthony Smith, Jesse Sanders, and Seth Curry on my team with more losses than a winning team with JUCO Art, Joey Lynch-Steroid, and Amir "Ty Lawson's gonna school you" Johnson. Liberty is frustrating to lose to because of the school's devoted fanbase, but I would take clean heckling by a Flames fan than the stuff Radford's joke of school calls support (middle fingers to opposing fans, "bull****" chants, and jersey popping (with fingers simulating guns smoking-Art) anyday!
Sly Fox wrote:In my experience with the Falwell family over the past 30+ years, they have never been shy about stating what they believe and standing by it. If anything it should be on their family crest.
LUconn wrote:no. but x% do.
Sly Fox wrote:In my experience with the Falwell family over the past 30+ years, they have never been shy about stating what they believe and standing by it. If anything it should be on their family crest.
SuperJon wrote:A certain percentage do.About 55% take a commission after school. About 25% enlist before they graduate and stay in the reserves. Most athletes that commission are football, lacrosse, and I believe wrestling.
Hold My Own wrote:HMO can't do the math.LUconn wrote:no. but x% do.translate
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