[olldflame]

As far as Seth "not making his teammates better" is concerned, perhaps someone should ask Kyle Ohman about that. Yes, Kyle has talent, but does anyone think he would be having the multiple 20 plus point games he has had if defenses were focusing on him, or for that matter if they were playing us straight up? He gets an inordinate amount of wide open looks because of the attention paid to Seth. If Seth is nothing special as our UNCA friends are saying, why does every opposing coach treat him like he is?

[Ed Dantes]

Horrez brings up another good point here ... most of the media voters, print anyway, only saw nine league games, if that. As far as I know, only Gary McCann from the Rock Hill wrap saw every conference game the team he covers played. I saw 14 out of 18. If one player has a ridiculous game the one time you get to see him, your vision of that player is going to be skewed. Parakhouski is a perfect example. He killed Liberty twice. Of course he looks like the player of the year to me. If I had seen him against High Point, when he went 5 for 20 from the floor in two games, I might feel different.

Not saying Art didn't deserve it. He was THE difference maker in the league this year for the conference's best team. I think the litmus test for all-conference first team is simple. As an opposing coach, you'd look at four players on that first team and say, 'wow, we can't let THAT guy beat us.' Think anyone says that about Lynch-Flohr?

I thought coaches & SID's voted, not media... I guess I'm mistaken.

[kingaling42]

Speaking of re-reading things- RELAX Flamesfans, you haven't read all my posts.. I've commented here & certainly disagreed with Joey F-L being named to the First team- there's nothing I've said to suggest that I'm ok with him being there either- it's clearly a sad, sad joke to me that he is there.. If I'm someone like Curry, Augst, Coleman, even Warren from CSU I would be ticked that Joey is on there- he clearly DOES NOT belong..

What I am saying is that Seth is a one dimensional player right now- he is a scorer- he will have 3 other opportunities to be named to All-Conference First team, etc.. You all know that I have been following LU all year since the first UNCA game- I've posted here on the board while watching random LU games on the Edge etc.. I've watched your team play poorly whenever you don't have a floor leader on the court in Jesse- it has been dissapointing to see that Seth hasn't been able to fill that role at times for the betterment of your team, I feel it is something he needs to be able to do, or you better recruit a good back up point guard for the next 3 years cause things are going to happen at times.. LU is NOT a good team without a floor leader & to this point Seth has not shown that he can be that guy.. That's an intangible quality & all the numbers you want to throw out cannot support the things not reflected in stat lines... hustle plays, leading your team, getting guys to play better- that's what makes a TEAM better.. Seth doesn't have those qualities right now & as such IMO is a Second team All-Conference player..

[Hold My Own]

Speaking of re-reading things- RELAX Flamesfans, you haven't read all my posts.. I've commented here & certainly disagreed with Joey F-L being named to the First team- there's nothing I've said to suggest that I'm ok with him being there either- it's clearly a sad, sad joke to me that he is there.. If I'm someone like Curry, Augst, Coleman, even Warren from CSU I would be ticked that Joey is on there- he clearly DOES NOT belong..

What I am saying is that Seth is a one dimensional player right now- he is a scorer- he will have 3 other opportunities to be named to All-Conference First team, etc.. You all know that I have been following LU all year since the first UNCA game- I've posted here on the board while watching random LU games on the Edge etc.. I've watched your team play poorly whenever you don't have a floor leader on the court in Jesse- it has been dissapointing to see that Seth hasn't been able to fill that role at times for the betterment of your team, I feel it is something he needs to be able to do, or you better recruit a good back up point guard for the next 3 years cause things are going to happen at times.. LU is NOT a good team without a floor leader & to this point Seth has not shown that he can be that guy.. That's an intangible quality & all the numbers you want to throw out cannot support the things not reflected in stat lines... hustle plays, leading your team, getting guys to play better- that's what makes a TEAM better.. Seth doesn't have those qualities right now & as such IMO is a Second team All-Conference player..

But I believe your view on him is skewed simply b/c every time you hear Seth Curry's name in the media it's followed by "He's the leading scoring Freshman in the nation" however his OTHER stats are very impressive as well...like TTL said he's only avg 1 rebound less then a guy who's only in there to rebound!

[Champion]

"Our founder says things that are prejudiced on a level that is unimaginable and we back him up and no one likes us because of it. "

Oh, come on. You lay in the bed you make, my friends.

Curry is a decent player who takes a lot of shots and doesn't really make anyone else look good (For examples see games that Jesse Sanders didn't play in). He'll have his chances at first team next year.

Interesting thought, however; the Big South has sent a message that it is simply a joke. There is not another conference in the country where the nations leading freshman scorer would not make the first team. Regardless of what our friends from other schools want to say or believe....Curry has become the featured player in the BS. Lynch-Flohr or Art haven't garnered the national exposure for the conference that Curry has. I notice the conference is more than happy to ride that wave as long as it benefits them. This came down to the coaches vote and they proved they couldn't care less about who deserved the honor....it was who they wanted to give the honor too. Also, this isn't about next year. Yes, Curry took a lot of shots, as did Holmes of VMI. Curry played in four more games than Holmes. Using the logic many are throwing up about the number of shots he took then the argument should be made that Holmes shouldn't be on the first team either. The fact of the matter is that the other coaches in the big south will design their whole defense around stopping Curry, but then turn around and say that he isn't a factor in their first team selections. An absolutey ridiculous and embaressing situation. Welcome to the Big South Conference. And in response to the above post, the BS player of the year was big guy from Radford who scored a lot of points, but didn't make anyone else look good.

The big guy from Radford also averaged a double-double, when someone else in the league does that & doesn't make the First Team (Harris also averaged double-double) then you can talk about him- he was clearly the player of the year this year..

Seth is getting a bunch of attention, but how much of that is from what he has actually done himself??

The first game of the year on ESPN- THEY HYPED HIM UP ONLY BECAUSE OF HIS BROTHER.. you ALL know that, because what had he done to that point?? Yes he has become a pretty good player & can score points which attracts defensive attention- Kenny George changed the defensive patterns of coaches last year too, do you see teams having to put 3 guys on Seth on out of bounds plays??NO... That didn't make Kenny a First Team pick either & appropriately so.. The Curry machine of hype is media driven, period!!! Stephen made some big shots in the tourney last year & garnered the attention that Seth benefits from.. Seth has certainly now earned some attention but it was thrust upon him for no reason early this season.. Besides JP handled Seth in that first game on national TV- you didn't see JP appointed as the next born star- Stephen brought Seth the attention.. It will be interesting to see how the attention fades even from Seth as Stephen graduates, but that will be the next great conspiracy from the LU haters right??

Say what you will and highlight what you want....the bottom line is that you agree that the leading freshman scorer in the country is not worthy of making the BS all-conference team. If he was playing for UNCA I think you would be arguing on the other side of the issue.

[thepostman]

Speaking of re-reading things- RELAX Flamesfans, you haven't read all my posts.. I've commented here & certainly disagreed with Joey F-L being named to the First team- there's nothing I've said to suggest that I'm ok with him being there either- it's clearly a sad, sad joke to me that he is there.. If I'm someone like Curry, Augst, Coleman, even Warren from CSU I would be ticked that Joey is on there- he clearly DOES NOT belong..

What I am saying is that Seth is a one dimensional player right now- he is a scorer- he will have 3 other opportunities to be named to All-Conference First team, etc.. You all know that I have been following LU all year since the first UNCA game- I've posted here on the board while watching random LU games on the Edge etc.. I've watched your team play poorly whenever you don't have a floor leader on the court in Jesse- it has been dissapointing to see that Seth hasn't been able to fill that role at times for the betterment of your team, I feel it is something he needs to be able to do, or you better recruit a good back up point guard for the next 3 years cause things are going to happen at times.. LU is NOT a good team without a floor leader & to this point Seth has not shown that he can be that guy.. That's an intangible quality & all the numbers you want to throw out cannot support the things not reflected in stat lines... hustle plays, leading your team, getting guys to play better- that's what makes a TEAM better.. Seth doesn't have those qualities right now & as such IMO is a Second team All-Conference player..

I agree with most of that actually...I think if Seth made 1st team there could be no real argument though...but the fact he didn't make it does not mean he is being screwed out of anything or that there is some kind of conspiracy

Seth is a great scorer, but the other areas that you mentioned do need improvement ..and i think most would agree with that

[justagirl]

"Our founder says things that are prejudiced on a level that is unimaginable and we back him up and no one likes us because of it. "

Oh, come on. You lay in the bed you make, my friends.

Curry is a decent player who takes a lot of shots and doesn't really make anyone else look good (For examples see games that Jesse Sanders didn't play in). He'll have his chances at first team next year.

Interesting thought, however; the Big South has sent a message that it is simply a joke. There is not another conference in the country where the nations leading freshman scorer would not make the first team. Regardless of what our friends from other schools want to say or believe....Curry has become the featured player in the BS. Lynch-Flohr or Art haven't garnered the national exposure for the conference that Curry has. I notice the conference is more than happy to ride that wave as long as it benefits them. This came down to the coaches vote and they proved they couldn't care less about who deserved the honor....it was who they wanted to give the honor too. Also, this isn't about next year. Yes, Curry took a lot of shots, as did Holmes of VMI. Curry played in four more games than Holmes. Using the logic many are throwing up about the number of shots he took then the argument should be made that Holmes shouldn't be on the first team either. The fact of the matter is that the other coaches in the big south will design their whole defense around stopping Curry, but then turn around and say that he isn't a factor in their first team selections. An absolutey ridiculous and embaressing situation. Welcome to the Big South Conference. And in response to the above post, the BS player of the year was big guy from Radford who scored a lot of points, but didn't make anyone else look good.

The big guy from Radford also averaged a double-double, when someone else in the league does that & doesn't make the First Team (Harris also averaged double-double) then you can talk about him- he was clearly the player of the year this year..

Seth is getting a bunch of attention, but how much of that is from what he has actually done himself??

The first game of the year on ESPN- THEY HYPED HIM UP ONLY BECAUSE OF HIS BROTHER.. you ALL know that, because what had he done to that point?? Yes he has become a pretty good player & can score points which attracts defensive attention- Kenny George changed the defensive patterns of coaches last year too, do you see teams having to put 3 guys on Seth on out of bounds plays??NO... That didn't make Kenny a First Team pick either & appropriately so.. The Curry machine of hype is media driven, period!!! Stephen made some big shots in the tourney last year & garnered the attention that Seth benefits from.. Seth has certainly now earned some attention but it was thrust upon him for no reason early this season.. Besides JP handled Seth in that first game on national TV- you didn't see JP appointed as the next born star- Stephen brought Seth the attention.. It will be interesting to see how the attention fades even from Seth as Stephen graduates, but that will be the next great conspiracy from the LU haters right??

[flameshaw]

Seth is a very well rounded player and is much more than a scorer. He plays solid defense, is a good rebounder and is extremely smart. To say that we can't win without a floor leader like Sanders, was pretty well squashed when we beat Radturd without him. Granted we are a better team with Sanders as floor general, but what team isn't better with their first team point guard.

All that being said Joey Boy being on the first team is a joke, regardless if he took Curry's spot or someone else who is more deserving. There are probably a dozen better choices that could have been made, but then again the BS conference doesn't have a very good track record in this area, as has already been pointed out.

[SuperJon]

Here's my argument against kingaling saying that Seth didn't make people better when Jesse was out, and it's the same as the problem Davidson is having this year.

It's hard to be the guy distributing the ball and be the primary option for scoring. If Seth had someone else to take over the scoring responsibilities so that he could play a true point guard, I have no doubt that he would be a great point guard. However, no one stepped up to take over the scoring so that he could play point. You can't expect a player at any level to be the main assist guy and the main scorer.

[WinthropEagleFan]

If the nation's leading freshman scorer should be first team all-conference, should the same hold true for the nation's leading freshman rebounder?

[flamesbball84]

I agree that Seth should have been first-team because he is an extremely dangerous scorer and to deny the overwhelming impact that has on the team is simply moronic at best...

BUT other than his shooting and scoring stats, his other stats are not impressive at all. Since when is 2.3 assists per game (along with 2.1 turnovers), 1.4 steals per game impressive, and 4.2 rebounds for a SG impressive? His assists and steals average doesn't even rank him top 15 in the big south and his rebounding average doesn't rank top 20 - he only ranks fifth on his team in rebounding - so explain to me how those stats are impressive with the amount of playing time he got, which was the second most in the conference? The only stats that can be considered impressive are his shooting stats and scoring average. 20.6 points per game is particularly impressive for a freshman. 42% FGs is a solid number, but the fact that ranks 11th in the Big South doesn't speak much for the scoring efficiency of the BS. 84% on free throws is darn good, and 36% on three pointers is pretty good too - 36% on three pointers is equivalent to 54% on two pointers. 3.06 made three pointers a game is pretty good, especially with the way defenses were geared towards trying to stop/contain him. But let's be realistic here, his other stats aren't impressive regardless of what year he is...

[sweetnahmah1]

If the nation's leading freshman scorer should be first team all-conference, should the same hold true for the nation's leading freshman rebounder?

nay

[g-webb1994]

If the nation's leading freshman scorer should be first team all-conference, should the same hold true for the nation's leading freshman rebounder?

Henley has been an incredible surprise for us this year, and his offensive game will only get better.

IMO, Seth is a great player, but Jesse Sanders has the chance to become a better player than his brother was at G-W. That makes for a scary combination for Liberty for the next few years.

[SuperJon]

IMO, Seth is a great player, but Jesse Sanders has the chance to become a better player than his brother was at G-W. That makes for a scary combination for Liberty for the next few years.

And then we get Baby Sanders in two years and they say he's the best of the three.

[kingaling42]

Here's my argument against kingaling saying that Seth didn't make people better when Jesse was out, and it's the same as the problem Davidson is having this year.

It's hard to be the guy distributing the ball and be the primary option for scoring. If Seth had someone else to take over the scoring responsibilities so that he could play a true point guard, I have no doubt that he would be a great point guard. However, no one stepped up to take over the scoring so that he could play point. You can't expect a player at any level to be the main assist guy and the main scorer.

I know- guys like Chris Paul are hard to come by- that's why Seth's a Second teamer this year.. Plus I'm not saying that Seth has to be the point guard each night- but it is dissappointing that he can't be a better floor leader when Jesse gets a break & needs a sub.. tell me why Seth can't be that floor leader for 4-10 minutes a game?? Would that be THAT difficult for him, even though he's the primary scoring option??? Note - Seth didn't have to be the primary scorer this year with Smith anyway- next year will be different & harder for Seth- watch!! Seth hasn't shown me that he's a leader on the court for your team- that doesn't mean the assist guy necessarily- he's shown that he wants the ball at crunch time but even Jordan learned that he needed to bring his teammates along for the ride to be successful...

[Kolzilla41]

If the nation's leading freshman scorer should be first team all-conference, should the same hold true for the nation's leading freshman rebounder?

Is he top 50 in all rebounders?

[Kolzilla41]

Here's my argument against kingaling saying that Seth didn't make people better when Jesse was out, and it's the same as the problem Davidson is having this year.

It's hard to be the guy distributing the ball and be the primary option for scoring. If Seth had someone else to take over the scoring responsibilities so that he could play a true point guard, I have no doubt that he would be a great point guard. However, no one stepped up to take over the scoring so that he could play point. You can't expect a player at any level to be the main assist guy and the main scorer.

I know- guys like Chris Paul are hard to come by- that's why Seth's a Second teamer this year.. Plus I'm not saying that Seth has to be the point guard each night- but it is dissappointing that he can't be a better floor leader when Jesse gets a break & needs a sub.. tell me why Seth can't be that floor leader for 4-10 minutes a game?? Would that be THAT difficult for him, even though he's the primary scoring option??? Note - Seth didn't have to be the primary scorer this year with Smith anyway- next year will be different & harder for Seth- watch!! Seth hasn't shown me that he's a leader on the court for your team- that doesn't mean the assist guy necessarily- he's shown that he wants the ball at crunch time but even Jordan learned that he needed to bring his teammates along for the ride to be successful...

That wasn't his job.... It was Smitty's

[kingaling42]

Here's my argument against kingaling saying that Seth didn't make people better when Jesse was out, and it's the same as the problem Davidson is having this year.

It's hard to be the guy distributing the ball and be the primary option for scoring. If Seth had someone else to take over the scoring responsibilities so that he could play a true point guard, I have no doubt that he would be a great point guard. However, no one stepped up to take over the scoring so that he could play point. You can't expect a player at any level to be the main assist guy and the main scorer.

I know- guys like Chris Paul are hard to come by- that's why Seth's a Second teamer this year.. Plus I'm not saying that Seth has to be the point guard each night- but it is dissappointing that he can't be a better floor leader when Jesse gets a break & needs a sub.. tell me why Seth can't be that floor leader for 4-10 minutes a game?? Would that be THAT difficult for him, even though he's the primary scoring option??? Note - Seth didn't have to be the primary scorer this year with Smith anyway- next year will be different & harder for Seth- watch!! Seth hasn't shown me that he's a leader on the court for your team- that doesn't mean the assist guy necessarily- he's shown that he wants the ball at crunch time but even Jordan learned that he needed to bring his teammates along for the ride to be successful...

That wasn't his job.... It was Smitty's

EXACTLY- That's why SMITH made the FIRST TEAM!!! That's EXACTLY my point!!! Appreciate that!!

[Ed Dantes]

Whatever... Seth will be tournament MVP and we'll be happy with that.

[WinthropEagleFan]

If the nation's leading freshman scorer should be first team all-conference, should the same hold true for the nation's leading freshman rebounder?

Is he top 50 in all rebounders?

15th last I checked.

[kingaling42]

If the nation's leading freshman scorer should be first team all-conference, should the same hold true for the nation's leading freshman rebounder?

Is he top 50 in all rebounders?

15th last I checked.

Haha- that's funny WEF!! Touche to all the stat/number droppers out there I'd say...

[kingaling42]

BTW.. since we all agree that J F-L doesn't belong on the First team- If RU deserved 2 guys on the First team it is interesting to observe that Amir Johnson almost pulled off a triple double tonight vs HP (10 pt, 11 boards, 9 assists).. Food for thought... food for thought..

[Hold My Own]

King make Flamefans.com your home page...you always stir the pot but this whole stirring only once every month has got to change...either that or give me your password so I can ruffle some feathers...it gets boring on her during the work day

[ToTheLeft]

It's easy to have a ton of rebounds when your team plays good defense and terrible offense.

Plenty of rebounds to be had.

[ToTheLeft]

Oh, and how about "LB Jr." 's game high 6 dimes tonight, eh kingylingy?

Doesn't make anyone better, right?

Ooops, guess he ruined that one.