[olldflame]

If 2 teams who are tied split their head to head meetings (regardless of score), the next tiebreaker goes to the team which had the better record against the highest seeded teams, starting with the first seed and moving down. As far as I know points/margins are not a part of the tiebreaking process, nor is attendance.

[jcmanson]

Most of us know that oldflame, but the question is what about when 3 teams are tied.

[LUconn]

nor is attendance.

But it should be if the BSC cares anything about people actually watching these games.

[horrez]

I think Coastal would get 3rd due to a better record between the 3 tied, High Point 4th because they split with WU and Asheville, then LU 5th

This is correct.

[jcmanson]

I think Coastal would get 3rd due to a better record between the 3 tied, High Point 4th because they split with WU and Asheville, then LU 5th

This is correct.

Well crap, we definitely need to beat Coastal saturday or I think this will happen.

[Ed Dantes]

I think Coastal would get 3rd due to a better record between the 3 tied, High Point 4th because they split with WU and Asheville, then LU 5th, but I'm not sure it wouldn't be a coin flip.

If KK is flipping, we all know were screwed.

If KK is flipping coins to determine amongst Coastal, High Point and Liberty who gets the 3, 4, and 5 seeds... I'm confident we'd wind up with the #6.

[jcmanson]

After yesterday's game, I don't see us getting worse than 4th, and I think we have a great shot at 3rd.

If I had to pick today, I would pick:

Winthrop 1
Asheville 2
LU 3
HPU 4
Coastal 5
VMI 6
Radford 7
CSu 8

[olldflame]

One of the big question marks in trying to predict seedings is which UNCA team is going to show up for their last 4 games; the one that was dominant in winning 7 straight, the one that has really not even been competitive in 3 straight blowout losses, or (most likely) something in between. Unless Eddie rights the ship quickly, they could drop to the 3 seed or worse.

[LUconn]

Honestly, I don't care if we get the 3rd or the 4th. No difference. If we're gonna beat one of the top 2 teams on the road, it won't matter who it is, because the odds are slim either way. And the odds of both 1 and 2 getting knocked out before the championship game so that the 3rd seed is truly advantageous is .002%

[olldflame]

You are technically correct by saying that either way, the semi-final game will be "on the road", (as in not a home game). I do think that there is some advantage to the 3rd seed because you would be playing the second seed on a neutral court as opposed to the first seed on their home court. I for one would much rather face UNCA in Rock Hill than Winthrop.

After reading your post again, it appears you may have not been aware that both semifinal games are played at the home court of the #1 seed.

[hype22]

I think the team most people are forgetting is VMI, they only have 5 conference losses and get HPU and WU at home and RU on the road, all three of those games they should win (given the way they are playing right now) the toughest game will be the one at LU, HP still has to go to CCU and VMI and those will most likely be 2 losses. I don't know how the tie-breakers would work out but VMI could easily be in the mix for 3rd.

[bigsmooth]

i agree hype. VMI is playing well and could easily beat LU when they visit the vines. i think this race is wide open this year and it's really exciting.

[olldflame]

I agree with you that VMI is dangerous Hype, but at this point I can't agree that they or any othe BSC team "should" beat WU, home game or not. I know they are the Eagles, but right now they are Sharks, and they smell blood in the water. I'll be surprised (but not shocked) if they lose another game in the regular season.

[Chris Lang]

I'll take a stab at this ... here's how I think it will shake out.

1. Winthrop (10-4)
2. UNC Asheville (9-5)
3. Liberty (9-5) - UNCA wins tiebreaker due to win over Winthrop
4. VMI (8-6)
5. High Point (7-7)
6. Coastal Carolina (6-8 )
7. Radford (4-10)
8. Charleston Southern (3-11)

I wonder how gassed CSU is going to be after having to rally from 16 down in the second half to beat High Point. Plus, CSU hasn't put back-to-back wins together at any point this season. If LU wins this one, I don't see them losing at home to either RU or VMI, though VMI is certainly a much tougher team now that Reggie is back and rolling.

UNCA is in a real funk now, and the game at Radford Wednesday is no gimme, given how much better the Highs have played at late.

I think VMI wins three of the four on its schedule, losing only at LU.

High Point's in a tough spot tomorrow at Coastal. That's a tough game to predict, but I think the Chants will get it done.

We'll see if I have any career as a prognosticator in a couple of weeks. Then again, I did pick Coastal to finish second in the preseason.

[Realist]

I'll take a stab at this ... here's how I think it will shake out.

1. Winthrop (10-4)
2. UNC Asheville (9-5)
3. Liberty (9-5) - UNCA wins tiebreaker due to win over Winthrop
4. VMI (8-6)
5. High Point (7-7)
6. Coastal Carolina (6-8 )
7. Radford (4-10)
8. Charleston Southern (3-11)

I wonder how gassed CSU is going to be after having to rally from 16 down in the second half to beat High Point. Plus, CSU hasn't put back-to-back wins together at any point this season. If LU wins this one, I don't see them losing at home to either RU or VMI, though VMI is certainly a much tougher team now that Reggie is back and rolling.

UNCA is in a real funk now, and the game at Radford Wednesday is no gimme, given how much better the Highs have played at late.

I think VMI wins three of the four on its schedule, losing only at LU.

High Point's in a tough spot tomorrow at Coastal. That's a tough game to predict, but I think the Chants will get it done.

We'll see if I have any career as a prognosticator in a couple of weeks. Then again, I did pick Coastal to finish second in the preseason.

I did point that Coastal thing out I have to remind...

I also picked UNCA higher than anyone, though I didn't have them second.

I'm not working out the records right now, but the VMI game is the only one I'd be not completely surprised if WU lost, I think they'll get the one seed, and CSU and Asheville should be gimmes unless George gets healthy real fast and can play 30 minutes.

I picked UNCA to win against RU but I agree it could go either way. I was impressed with RU last night, they finally seem to have a little bite for the first time in about 4 years.

I think WU and LU are playing the best consistently right now, and HP seems to be really fading. But that is their M.O. for late in the year.

The threats to win the tourney:

WU
LU
VMI
Asheville
RU
CCU
HP
CSU

[SuperJon]

Yesterday - Arizona is wishing that his team would come togetha for once.
10:55pm

[Cider Jim]

Welcome back, Super!

[hype22]

Yesterday - Arizona is wishing that his team would come togetha for once.
10:55pm

Thats not good, although at least he is admitting it, although facebook is hardly the normal means of making something public.


Thats the reason this High Point team has been so frustrating. The CSU game was the perfect example, come out of the gates in the 2nd half and outscore them by 16 in the first 10 minutes only to end being outscored by 20 in the next 10.

[hype22]

If I had to pick right now who I think has the best chance of winning the tourney


VMI- On fire since RW has come back, they have the experience after last years run to the title game
UNCA- Still good Smithson is coming off an injury and when he gets fully healthy it will make a difference
WU-should have home court advantage again but can't make free-throws and that will really hurt them in the tourney
LU/HPU- With a good PG and good post player you have a chance
CCU- anytime you have a guy like JL you can make a run, but prolly can't do it for three games
RU- playing well but will have to win at least 2 road games and that will be tough
CSU- would be a miracle run to the play in game.

[Realist]

If I had to pick right now who I think has the best chance of winning the tourney


VMI- On fire since RW has come back, they have the experience after last years run to the title game
UNCA- Still good Smithson is coming off an injury and when he gets fully healthy it will make a difference
WU-should have home court advantage again but can't make free-throws and that will really hurt them in the tourney
LU/HPU- With a good PG and good post player you have a chance
CCU- anytime you have a guy like JL you can make a run, but prolly can't do it for three games
RU- playing well but will have to win at least 2 road games and that will be tough
CSU- would be a miracle run to the play in game.

You really think VMI has the best chance? I wouldn't think you're crazy to say UNCA especially if they can get healthy and find a defense, but VMI? I realize they are a lot better team with Reggie, but their 3 game streak is against a horrible CSU, a terrible road team in Coastal, and a slumping UNCA. I'm sure they could knock off WU wed night with the corps packing it out and Reggie going for the scoring record, but I don't see them winning two games in a row against a top half team on the road. They lost to some really bad teams with Reggie home and road in OOC.

[hype22]

If I had to pick right now who I think has the best chance of winning the tourney


VMI- On fire since RW has come back, they have the experience after last years run to the title game
UNCA- Still good Smithson is coming off an injury and when he gets fully healthy it will make a difference
WU-should have home court advantage again but can't make free-throws and that will really hurt them in the tourney
LU/HPU- With a good PG and good post player you have a chance
CCU- anytime you have a guy like JL you can make a run, but prolly can't do it for three games
RU- playing well but will have to win at least 2 road games and that will be tough
CSU- would be a miracle run to the play in game.

You really think VMI has the best chance? I wouldn't think you're crazy to say UNCA especially if they can get healthy and find a defense, but VMI? I realize they are a lot better team with Reggie, but their 3 game streak is against a horrible CSU, a terrible road team in Coastal, and a slumping UNCA. I'm sure they could knock off WU wed night with the corps packing it out and Reggie going for the scoring record, but I don't see them winning two games in a row against a top half team on the road. They lost to some really bad teams with Reggie home and road in OOC.

Preseason I picked VMI to finish tied with Winthrop for 2nd place behind High Point. High Point is a complete mess right now and can't seem to figure out how to come together as a team with 4 games left in the year and Winthrop gets excited if they shoot 60% from the line and you can't win in March if you can't hit the free ones. I think that if RW's hadn't gone down there would be a good chance that they would be hosting and at worst fighting for the 2 seed. Both Holmes brothers have improved a lot and the time without RW may have helped them. They can score and know they can score night in and night out, I don't think there is another team in the conference that can say that.

[Realist]

If I had to pick right now who I think has the best chance of winning the tourney


VMI- On fire since RW has come back, they have the experience after last years run to the title game
UNCA- Still good Smithson is coming off an injury and when he gets fully healthy it will make a difference
WU-should have home court advantage again but can't make free-throws and that will really hurt them in the tourney
LU/HPU- With a good PG and good post player you have a chance
CCU- anytime you have a guy like JL you can make a run, but prolly can't do it for three games
RU- playing well but will have to win at least 2 road games and that will be tough
CSU- would be a miracle run to the play in game.

You really think VMI has the best chance? I wouldn't think you're crazy to say UNCA especially if they can get healthy and find a defense, but VMI? I realize they are a lot better team with Reggie, but their 3 game streak is against a horrible CSU, a terrible road team in Coastal, and a slumping UNCA. I'm sure they could knock off WU wed night with the corps packing it out and Reggie going for the scoring record, but I don't see them winning two games in a row against a top half team on the road. They lost to some really bad teams with Reggie home and road in OOC.

Preseason I picked VMI to finish tied with Winthrop for 2nd place behind High Point. High Point is a complete mess right now and can't seem to figure out how to come together as a team with 4 games left in the year and Winthrop gets excited if they shoot 60% from the line and you can't win in March if you can't hit the free ones. I think that if RW's hadn't gone down there would be a good chance that they would be hosting and at worst fighting for the 2 seed. Both Holmes brothers have improved a lot and the time without RW may have helped them. They can score and know they can score night in and night out, I don't think there is another team in the conference that can say that.

VMI also doesn't play defense whatsoever. I mean, this is a team that has lost to terrible teams and hasn't finished in the upper half of the conference ever. I have trouble thinking they are better than a .500 team even with Reggie in the conference. Teams can score a lot of points but if they can't stop anyone they aren't going to win 3 straight. Defense is what wins championships. Also have to point out WU has won three straight titles without being able to hit free throws. They've never been good from the line.

[Chris Lang]

Troubling think about VMI from looking at the box Saturday is that there is no depth whatsoever. Christian Hunter was the only player off the bench with significant minutes. I don't think Duggar has any confidence in the other guys down the roster. Also, in that game, Willie Bell played way over his head (19 points) and the Keydets shot 50 percent, which for a jumpshooting team like VMI is outstanding. Not sure how many times VMI can replicate the game they had Saturday.

[Realist]

If I had to pick right now who I think has the best chance of winning the tourney


VMI- On fire since RW has come back, they have the experience after last years run to the title game
UNCA- Still good Smithson is coming off an injury and when he gets fully healthy it will make a difference
WU-should have home court advantage again but can't make free-throws and that will really hurt them in the tourney
LU/HPU- With a good PG and good post player you have a chance
CCU- anytime you have a guy like JL you can make a run, but prolly can't do it for three games
RU- playing well but will have to win at least 2 road games and that will be tough
CSU- would be a miracle run to the play in game.

You really think VMI has the best chance? I wouldn't think you're crazy to say UNCA especially if they can get healthy and find a defense, but VMI? I realize they are a lot better team with Reggie, but their 3 game streak is against a horrible CSU, a terrible road team in Coastal, and a slumping UNCA. I'm sure they could knock off WU wed night with the corps packing it out and Reggie going for the scoring record, but I don't see them winning two games in a row against a top half team on the road. They lost to some really bad teams with Reggie home and road in OOC.

Preseason I picked VMI to finish tied with Winthrop for 2nd place behind High Point. High Point is a complete mess right now and can't seem to figure out how to come together as a team with 4 games left in the year and Winthrop gets excited if they shoot 60% from the line and you can't win in March if you can't hit the free ones. I think that if RW's hadn't gone down there would be a good chance that they would be hosting and at worst fighting for the 2 seed. Both Holmes brothers have improved a lot and the time without RW may have helped them. They can score and know they can score night in and night out, I don't think there is another team in the conference that can say that.

VMI is dangerous with Williams, but they are not anything close to the favorite, as shown tonight. Remember, this is a VMI team that has never finished over .500 in the league and isn't over .500 right now.

Asheville is in a complete freefall. Unless something strange happens, the tourney is in RH and WU is definitely the favorite, though they can be beat with if they have a poor game--it'll be tough in Rock Hill though.

[MacGeek]

BEAT COASTAL