[Short Term]

JDUB!! Come on man. Uncomfortably close to me? I was enjoying the body heat. haha

[Schfourteenteen]

The fact of the matter is this crap happens every game and when you work as hard as me and Andy to get this stuff going the right way, when you spend as much money as we do, and when you put so much time into something, it gets frustrating when this crap happens every game.

And its always a cops fault or some overzealous nobody's fault. At some point we should worry about us and not so much the cop with a rod shoved up his rear. Those guys will always be like that, we need to change for our sake.

For the past two years I've let my grades suffer for athletics. I've let my bank account bottom out God only knows how many times so that I could make it to a game. I have blown off family members and friends so that I could go to a game. I've turned down jobs for work because I wouldn't be back in town in time for a game. When you do that much, and get treated like we do every game, it gets to a point where you start questioning it.

Good Im glad youre more of a fan than everyone else. Youre right, its probably frustrating to put alot in it and feel like its for nothing.

I've overlooked so many reasons not to do all of this stuff for the past two years simply because I love this school and love these things, but sooner or later you start not being able to overlook those things. I wish I could do something to show them what it would be like without us. I really do.

Why so you know they really love you??? Why dont you run away from home so mom and dad will miss you? Do you remember McKay's face when we told him we were going to HP? Please

I love this team, these players, this school, and this staff too much to not show up to a home game or not cheer for them. I've driven four hours to games on a Tuesday night after having class all day with class the next morning at 7:50 because I love this school. I had an intensive, left right when class was over, drove two hours to a game, got back at one in the morning, and went to the next day of intensive because I love this school. I'm not asking for a thank you.

Well thank you anyway

The only thing I ever ask for is our guys to play hard on the field/court. However, this is the fifth or sixth game this season out of eleven home games that we've had someone get up in our faces when they had absolutely no business doing it.

Yep, and we did nothing to provoke them in any instance.

Did Chris say something over the line? Yes. We corrected that. We're kids. We screw up. The best thing about our group is that when we screw up, we apologize and try our bests not to do it again.

No, we did not correct anything. Before tip off he was yelling sucks, and its our job to tell him what he can and cant say. We corrected it so much some guy got really ticked off and did stuff hes probably gonna get in trouble for that, but he was out of line the whole game.

That's not what we're complaining about, but since you didn't see what happened, you have absolutely no clue what we're upset about. I love you kid, I really do, but this goes so far past tonight that I don't even know anymore.

See thats the thing, complain all you want but unless we at some point address this internally we will never stop having problems.

Youre right, popos and event crew are jerks and are out to pick fights with us. Fine. How bout we stop bringing them over here in the first place? There are two ways to go about this. 1, we moan and complain until every last powertripping son of a gun doesnt have a job here at LU, or 2, we actually take responsibility for the stuff we do and the stuff we say. That does not mean "yeah he was wrong, but..." That means when someones out of line we confront them befor anyone else hears it. Tell me you didnt hear amos say stuff he shouldnt have.

Was the other guy wrong? absolutely, and he ought to be punished. But after 5 or 6 or 13 times people are gonna be tired of us complaining all the time about somebody who overreacted, when we can stop what goes on here. Time to grow up fellas

[RagingTireFire]

I said what I meant.

We have to say we were wrong every time we approach the people above us and whine about how we were treated.

Maybe if we fix that, we won't have so many issues.

Well then, my original point stands. That's a horrible horrible horrible horrible way to live your life. I don't know what you expect to fix since, by that logic, the fault is always going to be yours regardless of what do or change and there's absolutely no incentive for anyone else to accomodate you other than their having pity for you. So, good luck with that, Matt.

[Short Term]

Ok here's what I don't understand. I love LU sports but due to my job I don't get to come to games during the fall semester. So I start coming this Spring and suddenly there's all these stupid rules. Like the word sucks. Once I was informed I couldn't say it, I stopped. I would say "inhales vigorously" or "stinks." But what I don't get is these same people that are on this board jumping on me and Jon about the sucks thing and other inappropriate language were the same ones doing the "Swallow" chant at HP's head coach. How is that less inappropriate than "sucks" or "testicles"? There just seems to be an unclear double-standard.

[Schfourteenteen]

I didnt see the other posts so

Jon the dudes a jerk, and he was way out of line.

But we were way out of line too, I am asking you to look at that. This isnt the first time weve gotten yelled at, so its something we can take care of before some guy blows it out of proportion.

Amos said "sucks" at least 10 times before tip off, and although its no a horrific word we were asked to refrain from that. Kevin asked us to keep people form saying that. Thats where were wrong. Unless youre going to tell me that midgame you or TBGBGBG confronted Amos on his wording, we failed Kevin. He wants us to not say it, but we allow somebody to say it anyway.

And because TTL and I dont have a clue what were talking about, enlighten me with something I havent heard, Im serious. I am very willing to hear new info we havent discussed

[thepostman]

wow...thats all i can say...I don't care what happened..we won the freaking game and had a great crowd...I am happy...smile guys, life is way too short to let this petty crap bother you so much (this is going at both sides here)

[SuperJon]

Why so you know they really love you??? Why dont you run away from home so mom and dad will miss you? Do you remember McKay's face when we told him we were going to HP? Please

No, I know the coaches appreciate us. They go out of their way to tell us they do. I was talking about every single other idiot in that arena that anytime we look at someone the wrong comes up to us acting like they're better than us and trying to kick us out.

No, we did not correct anything. Before tip off he was yelling sucks, and its our job to tell him what he can and cant say. We corrected it so much some guy got really ticked off and did stuff hes probably gonna get in trouble for that, but he was out of line the whole game.

Speak for yourself. Me and Andy both told him that we couldn't say sucks. Maybe you're getting your Chris's mixed up. There was another one there tonight who is an alumni. He can say whatever he possibly wants and I have no control over it. I personally told Amos we can't say sucks. Also, you were six or seven people down from him, so there's no possible way the you know he was out of line the whole game.

[Schfourteenteen]

Ok here's what I don't understand. I love LU sports but do my job I don't get to come to games during the fall semester. So I start coming this Spring and suddenly there's all these stupid rules. Like the word sucks. Once I was informed I couldn't say it, I stopped. I would say "inhales vigorously" or "stinks." But what I don't get is these same people that are this board jumping on me and Jon about the sucks thing and other inappropriate language were the same ones doing the "Swallow" chant at HP's head coach. How is that less inappropriate than "sucks" or "testicles"? There just seems to be an unclear double-standard.

Because "Swallow" wasnt something we were told not to say, and as a word by itself doesnt offend people.

Was it innappropriate to say swallow? sure, but that has never gotten me in trouble. Saying Coach you need to box out more with your players is inappropriate too, but thats the point. You say mean stuff without everyone knowing what you mean by it.

[ToTheLeft]

Dude, Jon,

It's always "SJ and Co." for everything. Everyone knows what you have done. No need to toot your horn. We know what you have brought to the table.

Everyone knows you, and knows the things you do. No need to defend yourself, cuz this isn't about what you do before and after the games.

This is about what we do during the games.

[SuperJon]

Amos said "sucks" at least 10 times before tip off, and although its no a horrific word we were asked to refrain from that. Kevin asked us to keep people form saying that. Thats where were wrong. Unless youre going to tell me that midgame you or TBGBGBG confronted Amos on his wording, we failed Kevin. He wants us to not say it, but we allow somebody to say it anyway.

He may have said it before the game, however, once I got finished blowing up the bathroom and heard him say it, I told him he couldn't do it. I'm the bad guy during games telling people what they can and can't say. I absolutely hate it. I have to go up to people and tell them that we were told we can't say this or can't say that. You can't say I didn't do that because I did. Chris is a 20-year man that can do whatever he wants. I can only tell him what the rules are. To try and reflect the blame of this crap on me saying I wasn't doing what I was supposed to is just wrong.

[Schfourteenteen]

Speak for yourself. Me and Andy both told him that we couldn't say sucks. Maybe you're getting your Chris's mixed up. There was another one there tonight who is an alumni. He can say whatever he possibly wants and I have no control over it. I personally told Amos we can't say sucks. Also, you were six or seven people down from him, so there's no possible way the you know he was out of line the whole game.

You might be right, I thought it was TBGBGBG's friend with the skins, because thats who I heard. If its a different one then yeah Im wrong.

[ToTheLeft]

I said what I meant.

We have to say we were wrong every time we approach the people above us and whine about how we were treated.

Maybe if we fix that, we won't have so many issues.

Well then, my original point stands. That's a horrible horrible horrible horrible way to live your life. I don't know what you expect to fix since, by that logic, the fault is always going to be yours regardless of what do or change and there's absolutely no incentive for anyone else to accomodate you other than their having pity for you. So, good luck with that, Matt.

Shut up and go away. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Now I remember why I was happy to leave this place. So many people who just hate on everything.

You are totally misunderstanding me, and ripping me apart over what you think I am saying.

So keep hating, while I keep laughing at your poor attempts at being the winner of the forum.

[Schfourteenteen]

Amos said "sucks" at least 10 times before tip off, and although its no a horrific word we were asked to refrain from that. Kevin asked us to keep people form saying that. Thats where were wrong. Unless youre going to tell me that midgame you or TBGBGBG confronted Amos on his wording, we failed Kevin. He wants us to not say it, but we allow somebody to say it anyway.

He may have said it before the game, however, once I got finished blowing up the bathroom and heard him say it, I told him he couldn't do it. I'm the bad guy during games telling people what they can and can't say. I absolutely hate it. I have to go up to people and tell them that we were told we can't say this or can't say that. You can't say I didn't do that because I did. Chris is a 20-year man that can do whatever he wants. I can only tell him what the rules are. To try and reflect the blame of this crap on me saying I wasn't doing what I was supposed to is just wrong.

Im not blaming what he did on you, becuase its not your fault. If its hard telling someone they cant say something, Ill do it. I think instead of us worrying about what authority fiigures do we need to take responsibility for their actions. Remember they have a shirt with our logo on it, and whether we want to accept it or not, we are somewhat responsible for what they do.

[Schfourteenteen]

I said what I meant.

We have to say we were wrong every time we approach the people above us and whine about how we were treated.

Maybe if we fix that, we won't have so many issues.

Well then, my original point stands. That's a horrible horrible horrible horrible way to live your life. I don't know what you expect to fix since, by that logic, the fault is always going to be yours regardless of what do or change and there's absolutely no incentive for anyone else to accomodate you other than their having pity for you. So, good luck with that, Matt.

Its late and I dont think im reading this right, but

TTL is saying we should take responsibility sometimes for stuff and not always make a big stink to the people above us all the time.

I dont see whats necessarily wrong with that.

[ToTheLeft]

Amos said "sucks" at least 10 times before tip off, and although its no a horrific word we were asked to refrain from that. Kevin asked us to keep people form saying that. Thats where were wrong. Unless youre going to tell me that midgame you or TBGBGBG confronted Amos on his wording, we failed Kevin. He wants us to not say it, but we allow somebody to say it anyway.

He may have said it before the game, however, once I got finished blowing up the bathroom and heard him say it, I told him he couldn't do it. I'm the bad guy during games telling people what they can and can't say. I absolutely hate it. I have to go up to people and tell them that we were told we can't say this or can't say that. You can't say I didn't do that because I did. Chris is a 20-year man that can do whatever he wants. I can only tell him what the rules are. To try and reflect the blame of this crap on me saying I wasn't doing what I was supposed to is just wrong.

Well, you claim to have his back, so this is your issue, too.

And if you have his back saying its okay for him to act how he did up until the guy grabbed him, you are in the wrong, just like he was.

But if having his back means you think that he was wrong in what he had done up until the time the guy grabbed him, then I agree with you. No one should be forced around like that unless they are visibly physically in opposition, which he was not.

But you are in on this by saying you have his back, so if you think it was okay for him to say what he said and do what he did up until he was grabbed, you are wrong.

[SuperJon]

We take responsibility for every single thing that is said. We said Chris was wrong for saying testicle. That isn't what this entire complaint is about and if you think it is you haven't been paying attention.

[thepostman]

this is from the outside looking in...but i think everybody in this discussion is admitting some things were said that went too far....both sides agree on that...i can see that.....but the guy has no right to put his hands on anybody...he can ask people to leave if he feels the need...but it does not matter what was said, he had no right to put his hands on anybody...

so from an outside perspective i would say both sides were wrong.....

I also think that the students are coming around, things are going well and the crowd is getting better every game...and it will continue to do so with you guys down there leading the way....so don't get frustrated, i know its hard not to....but come on we just won and didn't play so hot...but it was a fun game to watch down the stretch.....thats the real story tonight

[ToTheLeft]

I said what I meant.

We have to say we were wrong every time we approach the people above us and whine about how we were treated.

Maybe if we fix that, we won't have so many issues.

Well then, my original point stands. That's a horrible horrible horrible horrible way to live your life. I don't know what you expect to fix since, by that logic, the fault is always going to be yours regardless of what do or change and there's absolutely no incentive for anyone else to accomodate you other than their having pity for you. So, good luck with that, Matt.

Its late and I dont think im reading this right, but

TTL is saying we should take responsibility sometimes for stuff and not always make a big stink to the people above us all the time.

I dont see whats necessarily wrong with that.

Yup.

I am saying that instead of saying "We were wrong but you should change anyways."

We should work to a point where we can say "We were wrong, and we will change." or to a point where, in these situations, we aren't in the wrong.

I am not talking about life, RTF. I am talking about at the basketball game.

It's tough to follow the rules in life. It isn't tough to follow them in the Vines.

So pull me out of context all you want, but you are dead wrong.

[sweetnahmah1]

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testicle

[SuperJon]

But if having his back means you think that he was wrong in what he had done up until the time the guy grabbed him, then I agree with you. No one should be forced around like that unless they are visibly physically in opposition, which he was not.

Have you not read anything tonight? I'm serious. How many times do I have to say that he crossed the line by saying testicle? That is not the point of any of this. We conceded from the beginning that saying that was over the line according to Liberty.

[RagingTireFire]

Shut up and go away. You have no idea what you are talking about.

No. Can't make me. Nyah nyah nyah. I didn't make the mistake of saying the word "testicle" so I get to stay put.

Now I remember why I was happy to leave this place. So many people who just hate on everything.

I thought you left this place b/c you realized that we weren't going run away with the conference and b/c you had a job and b/c Smooth's word is law, etc., And, yet, here you are at 2AM on a Sunday morning.

You are totally misunderstanding me, and ripping me apart over what you think I am saying.

No, I completely understand it. You even clarified it for me.

So keep hating, while I keep laughing at your poor attempts at being the winner of the forum.

Oh, no, you're laughing at me. Oh, the shame. See, I thought you already handed out all the stupid awards for this board. I didn't realize there was one for Winner of the Forum, too, and I certainly can't wait to not give a rat's **** (this word edited out but, rest assured, I didn't say "testicle") about that one either.

[ToTheLeft]

We take responsibility for every single thing that is said. We said Chris was wrong for saying testicle. That isn't what this entire complaint is about and if you think it is you haven't been paying attention.

Then you guys are wrong. He deserved to be kicked and he was. The guy overreacted a little, but honestly, he doesn't know Chris from Pacman Jones.

Have you tried at all to think from that guys perspective?

[Schfourteenteen]

Okay, so I think this is what Im thinking (NO WAY!!!)

Their guy needs to be dealt with

Our guy needs to be dealt with

Saying "well yeah we were wrong" means nothing if the kid does nothing to change, so TTL and I feel that just saying "oops sorry" will do nothing to prevent this from happening again. We will always have new members and honestly they arent gonna understand the "true offensiveness" of the word suck and so it might be something for us to look into.

[Schfourteenteen]

We take responsibility for every single thing that is said. We said Chris was wrong for saying testicle. That isn't what this entire complaint is about and if you think it is you haven't been paying attention.

Then you guys are wrong. He deserved to be kicked and he was. The guy overreacted a little, but honestly, he doesn't know Chris from Pacman Jones.

Have you tried at all to think from that guys perspective?

A little? Ill even shake my head at that. The guy (according to multiple sources on our side) grabbed a dude and tried to kill BeeJay with him

[sweetnahmah1]

Huh-larry-us

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3s8BZjcP3qU