If roundball is your blood, this is the place to discuss the Flames as they move into the Ritchie McKay era for the 2nd time.

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By mrich
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#40112
For one, I will shut up if RD provides a BSC. I distinctly remember him raising excpectations though. After 04, he started talking about how this was just the beginning. Well, it was just the beginning of two very dissapointing seasons, our best player transfering, our coacing staff dismantling, and numerous other let downs.
By mrich
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#40139
Also, our program has had absolutely no momentum. We are up and down, never having any stability. A steady momentum in the right direction is necessary to land quality recruits. Think about it for a second. What if Brewington had not transfered. We would be looking at a repeat from last year. We have to stop relying on one or two players. RD has had four years to build up a quality roster, which obviously has not happened. We seem to go year to year, hoping that we will land some amazing recruit that will make up for the other "duds".
By A.G.
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#40151
I thought the program had pleanty of momentum under Meyer. If the university was not going to accept 2nd best back then, then why settle for 4th or 5th best now. RD surely won't and this year will prove it.
(thus, your daily dose of Kool Aid)
By mrich
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#40183
Also in repsonse to grm, RD took over the worst team in the nation, and after four years we still are one of the worst teams in the nation.
By mrich
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#40182
Also in repsonse to grm, RD took over the worst team in the nation, and after four years we still are one of the worst teams in the nation.
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By Purple Haize
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#40247
PROGRAM DIRECTION
Dunton is in his sixth season and has had one winning season. More importantly, he's just 39-35 in the Big South. The program isn't moving up or down, which means it's not getting better. This is a pivotal year for Dunton who needs to prove he can make the Flames competitive in the Big South"

39-35 is FACT. SO we lost a few by a missed shot here and there I am pretty sure we won a few that way. We have taken our frustrations out on Cincinnatti Christian and Lycnburg College. And we have taken our lumps against big time competition as well. Each Coach defines success their own way. RD's way was to say that we would be PERENNIAL BSC champions and in the Top 25 within 5 years. How long has he been here? Even the editorial is accurate. We aren't moving up OR down. IF we were moving up, then 30 of those losses would have been in his first two years, with most of the wins coming the last few. It is pivotal for him, and I am pretty sure he knows it. (and it is not just all floor issues either)
By lureal
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#40348
Dunton is still passionate about where he believes the program can be. The experience has been a positive in discovering that some unexpected landmines can cause setbacks. I know he can and will get us back to the tournament soon. this team will have a solid chance.
By Ed Dantes
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#40553
Purple Haize wrote:PROGRAM DIRECTION
Dunton is in his sixth season and has had one winning season. More importantly, he's just 39-35 in the Big South. The program isn't moving up or down, which means it's not getting better. This is a pivotal year for Dunton who needs to prove he can make the Flames competitive in the Big South"

39-35 is FACT. SO we lost a few by a missed shot here and there I am pretty sure we won a few that way. We have taken our frustrations out on Cincinnatti Christian and Lycnburg College. And we have taken our lumps against big time competition as well. Each Coach defines success their own way. RD's way was to say that we would be PERENNIAL BSC champions and in the Top 25 within 5 years. How long has he been here? Even the editorial is accurate. We aren't moving up OR down. IF we were moving up, then 30 of those losses would have been in his first two years, with most of the wins coming the last few. It is pivotal for him, and I am pretty sure he knows it. (and it is not just all floor issues either)
I agree with Purple Haize, and, if Purple Haize is who I think he is, it isn't the first time.

With the program, it's not an issue of getting better or getting worse. Blair, easily, is getting better every year... But the issue is if we are getting better or worse in relation to the rest of the Big South Conference, which I believe is improving. If we aren't getting better at the same rate as our competition, we get worse.

Side notes: I remember MH's last year (I noticed that we no longer use a coach's full name, but instead, just the initials). That year, we had a stud point guard who was able to lead up single-handedly to a few victories in a season devoid of them. Of course, that PG was a senior. Once his (Chris Caldwell) final game was played, you looked at the rest of the roster and you'd see that there was absolutely nothing to give you hope for the future. No one showed any promise; the best you had available to you were role players that weren't great, but would still be better than anyone else you'd bring in (like Jason Sarchet, Vincent Okotie). That being said, in MH's tenure as coach, he did not take the necessary steps to pave the way for success in the future, and so, he was canned with a year remaining on his contract. ("Where there is no vision, the people perish").

RD's success, easily, came early on when he saw a program in need and took the quick-fix approach: bring in talented JUCO transfers (Gabe Martin, Ryan Mantlo, and whoever our point guard was the year we won the championship, what's-his-name). He tried paving the way for the future at the same time (jeremy monceaux), but most of them, with the exception of Larry Blair, have (pardon the pun) flamed out.

Five years into Dunton's tenure, is Liberty in the position that it wanted to be? Hardly. Obviously it is foolish to think that five years is enough time to take a team from nothing into the top 25. After skimming through the top 25, the only lower major to crack it is Creighton, and they won 29 games five years ago!

Are we disappointed that we aren't at least consistently in the hunt for the Big South title? Heck yes. But we have to ask ourselves, has Dunton positioned himself to be that that place next year, or the year after?

I guess the point I'm trying to make is this: When Dunton's contract is up for review, that question needs to be asked. MH had nothing to fall back on when that question was asked of him; his best player was gone and there was no way to replace him. At least with RD, he can say "Brewington and McLean give us hope for next year; we got freshman that give us hope for the future. All is not lost."



And lastly, if we decide not to renew RD's contract, what are the chances that we can bring someone in that can do better? With Karcher, he was so bad that even Art Shell could have gotten two wins from last year's squad. He was fired not because of ineptitude, but because we could easily replace him with someone who would be a guaranteed improvement (even our speculative list was impressive, including Lou Holtz and Fredo Bowden). Danny Rocco was chosen because he's no stranger to LU football, and because he had proven himself to be a nice little architect for success at UVA. I think recent history has proven that he is the right choice for the job.

But who is waiting in the wings to coach LU b'ball? Any ideas? Anyone? Is RD better than "replacement coach"? I'd argue yes.


Of course, I'm the person who advocated hiring Bobby Knight before TT hired him (which was also before we hired RD). Man, that would have been sweet.
By Ed Dantes
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Really long story short (and it's amazing how much I can type and leave out the reason for my post to begin with)...

RD took the nation's worst program and had them win a championship in 2004. I think we need to respect that, but not to the point that he has carte-blanche for the rest of his life. I think that the minute LU cut the nets down in the Vines Center in March of 2004 allowed Dunton to have a "don't get fired for four years" card. I think the only fair thing we can do is give him a one-year extension at the end of this season. In March of 2008, we'll see if he's worth his salt. If he can succeed in the 2007-2008 year -- one w/o Larry Blair -- he's proven that he can build a franchise and previous years can be written of to a slew of bad luck.

Of course, if one of those "Wait, you mean HE'S AVAILABLE?" coaches becomes available at the end of the year, well, I won't have a problem with RD being an assistant coach next year.
By Ed Dantes
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A.G. wrote:
LUconn wrote:It doesn't matter how much we suck. It's just not the way this school works.
hmmmm. I wonder what Karcher would say about that one? I wonder what Jeff Myer would say about that one, when "sucking" was defined as 2nd place for a few years in a row? Mel probably feels the same way, too.

LUconn, I have to respectfully disagree with you on that remark. I fear anything less than a top 2 reg season and/or a trip to the championship game and it will matter.
I thought the admin. believed it was time for JM to go not because of several 2nd place finishes, but because a lot of his players got plastered during a trip to Hawaii.
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By Sly Fox
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#40579
Welcome back, Ed. And the purple one is who you think it is. But his ego doesn't need any massaging ... iyts large enough already with all of the SportS Management alumni sitting at the feet of their master. :lol:

Once again, I look forward tot he season getting started so we can talk about the here and now and not rehash old arguments.
By SuperJon
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You just had three typos in one post. Did GMTM go to Texas?
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By JDUB
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jon, you should be an english major
By SuperJon
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I thought about it. I was going to teach middle school or high school English. That's when I realized I didn't like reading that much and liked sports a lot better.
By A.G.
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Ed--I don't see how a one year contract extension does anybody any good, in any program, whether it be our's or another school's. Coaches will use that to recruit against whatever school, and a one year grace period "could" inspire a less than ethical coach to bring in guys that will give the quick fix in order the save his butt, at the expense of longer term success. It's hard enough hearing the "evaluate at the end of the season," but I think adding only one year puts more pressure on a coach.
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By PAmedic
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#40668
MOST

DEPRESSING

THREAD

EVER


please let the season start already :roll:

wishing the best for the guys and Coach D this season, let the admin take care of the rest of that __ ____ in Feb/Mar
By SuperJon
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Did you edit that yourself? You're not supposed to. It's fun waiting for Sly to edit when we say "__ ______" or something like that.
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By PAmedic
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figured I'd save him a little work
By SuperJon
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Then I'm going to make him edit a second one: I am a mindless moron.
By A.G.
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PAmedic wrote:MOST

DEPRESSING

THREAD

EVER
No kidding. This is almost like folks were talking at the beginning of football last year.
By SuperJon
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#40686
And we all saw how that ended...



I just said that to fuel the fire. I have one when people are arguing because I can defend either side.
By A.G.
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#40687
SuperJon wrote:And we all saw how that ended...
I just said that to fuel the fire. I have one when people are arguing because I can defend either side.
Yes. You do like to stir the pot. You're pretty good at it, too.
By SuperJon
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#40690
Most of the stuff I eat doesn't need to be stirred though.

It's sad to think that I was once a good basketball player. Then I fell in love with music and got lazy athletically.
By lureal
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after watching uva beat Arizona i am saying that Tj and Brew will bring exciting athleticism and high major talent to the Vines Center. These are positives not well their only going to play one or two seasons. Good Luck at OKLa
By SuperJon
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SuperJon wrote:Then I'm going to make him edit a second one: I am a mindless moron.
I hate you, Sly.
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