[thepostman]

You need offense to stay in games and defense to win games. You both win your stupid argument.

[flameshaw]

Jim Boeheim after last nights loss to BC in press conference --- 'we have been fortunate lately, our offense has got to get better'. A coach that gets it.

My point remains, Clemson vs UVA proves, 2 great defenses playing, but the team with better shooters, offensive players ultimately won 61-58

Since Radford loss I said LU had problems on the offensive end, look at Big South stats, those stats back up my argument and also equals to the win-loss column....I have 4 box scores. From the tournament last. To prove their offense was better for that week= that equaled 4 wins.

And no I'm not beating a dead horse, I'm talking about the core problems of why they are not winning.

I pretty much agree with you totally. Who do we have that is a legit offensive threat? Who does an opposing team come in to a game with us saying "we have to try and stop, or at least slow down" ?

[flameshaw]

I am not getting in the good offense vs good defense debate because it is kind of pointless. But I will say that this team has trouble stopping people in the last 5 minutes of games. It seems the other team scores at-will at the end of games.

I will say that at the beginning of the season if someone would have told me this team would lose 7 Big South games in a row I would have laughed. I am on record as saying this team could win 20 games. Never did I dream they would lose 20.

I know some of you think I only say stuff because I cover the team but anyone that knows me and actually talks to me in person knows that I say in real life pretty much what I say on this board. I truly believed that with 6 seniors, a championship run, a healthy Antwan Burrus and a schedule that was not as difficult on paper as it has been in recent years that 20 wins was a real possibility. There have been so many games that could have gone the other way for Liberty that didn't. Go look at the box scores or think back:

Western Carolina
UNC Willmington
William & Mary
Austin Peay
Furman (Shot to tie after trailing by 24)
Longwood (Shot to tie at the buzzer)
High Point at home (down 2 and on D needing a stop with 30 seconds)
UNC Asheville (Ball and down 1 with 18 seconds before "the charge")
Princeton (1 possession game under a minute)
Delaware (8 pt lead at half against the top CAA team)
Missouri State (shot to win I believe in a 2 pt loss)
Coastal (shot to tie at the buzzer)
VMI (tied with the ball with about a min to play)

You ARE what your record says YOU ARE according to The Big Tuna Bill Parcells. But as someone that sees this team up close more than most, I can't remember a team this talented (yes guys this team has talent!) have this much trouble closing out games. It has to be frustrating for them individually and collectively.

Go Flames!

Ah................................... the great mystery. You could say this about most any/every sport on the mountain. The inability to finish or the ability to totally cave. We need to somehow find a way to nurture a culture of winning the close ones. I would say that 75% (conservatively) of the time, we find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The track teams are an obvious exception, but then they are very seldom in a close contest.

[Chris Lang]

Closing thoughts:

http://www.newsadvance.com/sports/liber ... b2370.html

[Lburglifer]

#1. Back to back 20 loss seasons. Why? This team has only shown the ability to win for one week in 2-3 years.
#2. This team lacks talent! Not close to what we have seen in Vines since mid nineties.
#3. Need another athletic shooter on wing desperately.
#4. Agree with Chris... Seem to lack toughness to get stops late.

[Purple Haize]

You need offense to stay in games and defense to win games. You both win your stupid argument.

We have neither At this point it is clearly evident that the only person who really has any investment in winning is DL. Its tough to win games when your coaching staff wants to win more then the players.

[Bigsouthking]

So basically blame the players right PH???