[IMBach]

And to think BJ Jenkins would've stayed at Liberty longer than he did regardless of coach is laughable.

Pure speculation on your part as well. If BJ Jenkins maintained his priority role in the program he would have stayed is simply my opinion. RM down graded his role so he was out.

[olldflame]

And to think BJ Jenkins would've stayed at Liberty longer than he did regardless of coach is laughable.

Pure speculation on your part as well. If BJ Jenkins maintained his priority role in the program he would have stayed is simply my opinion. RM down graded his role so he was out.

His freshman year under RD Jenkins played less than 15 minutes pg. His only year under RMK he played over 31.................... more than double. Scoring more than doubled as well.

If that's being "downgraded" give me a "downgrade" please!

Yes, RMK did recruit several guards the next year, but there is no way of knowing how that would have affected BJ's role. He left because he didn't like it at LU. That's it, period, straight from his own mouth, as posted here by people who heard him say it.

[bballfan84]

And when the performances of our LU administrators/programs are questioned then the attack dogs come out. That is why we continue to lose a fan base- no accountability for losing (it was injuries), no accountability for playing a football player charged with cocaine felony (it was circumstances). This is about competition and we should be open to that. But with humans is usually political and the defense of excuses/mediocrity after six years speaks volumes. If there is a fatal attraction it is to see LU win a Championship with all we have been blessed with. To whom much is given much is required....

"To whom much is given much is required" I am pretty sure RD used that saying ALL THE TIME (along with many other sayings). Bottom line... Truth and Consequences has to be the one and only RD..it would explain his undenying passion and relentlessness.

[IMBach]

And to think BJ Jenkins would've stayed at Liberty longer than he did regardless of coach is laughable.

Pure speculation on your part as well. If BJ Jenkins maintained his priority role in the program he would have stayed is simply my opinion. RM down graded his role so he was out.

His freshman year under RD Jenkins played less than 15 minutes pg. His only year under RMK he played over 31.................... more than double. Scoring more than doubled as well.

If that's being "downgraded" give me a "downgrade" please!

Yes, RMK did recruit several guards the next year, but there is no way of knowing how that would have affected BJ's role. He left because he didn't like it at LU. That's it, period, straight from his own mouth, as posted here by people who heard him say it.

And Rocco left because he trust the direction under JB and Richmond has better facilities...

[IMBach]

And when the performances of our LU administrators/programs are questioned then the attack dogs come out. That is why we continue to lose a fan base- no accountability for losing (it was injuries), no accountability for playing a football player charged with cocaine felony (it was circumstances). This is about competition and we should be open to that. But with humans is usually political and the defense of excuses/mediocrity after six years speaks volumes. If there is a fatal attraction it is to see LU win a Championship with all we have been blessed with. To whom much is given much is required....

"To whom much is given much is required" I am pretty sure RD used that saying ALL THE TIME (along with many other sayings). Bottom line... Truth and Consequences has to be the one and only RD..it would explain his undenying passion and relentlessness.

That is funny. I think Luke 12:48 has a lock on it and many leaders/pastors use the verse. How about some of us feel that going backwards is not progress.

To whom much is given much is required would be a great standard.

[olldflame]

I see your smiley IMbach, but I'm actually scratching my own head. I totally refuted your allegation that RMK reduced Jenkin's role. As usual, you choose to ignore any facts that don't fit your agenda. Do you actually think when he recruited Curry and Sanders that Richie told BJ they were signed to take his job and his role would be reduced? If Jenkins felt slighted because the coach recruited some guards, that's his problem. RD left a pretty bare cupboard, and we needed the troops.

[Purple Haize]

That is funny. I think Luke 12:48 has a lock on it and many leaders/pastors use the verse. How about some of us feel that going backwards is not progress.

To whom much is given much is required would be a great standard.

It's also a quote from Spiderman. Just sayin

[jcmanson]

If I ever found out this character was in fact RD,...

Well, let's just say I'd be elated with JB's decision 5 years ago.

[bballfan84]

"To whom much is given much is required" I am pretty sure RD used that saying ALL THE TIME (along with many other sayings). Bottom line... Truth and Consequences has to be the one and only RD..it would explain his undenying passion and relentlessness.[/quote]

That is funny. I think Luke 12:48 has a lock on it and many leaders/pastors use the verse. How about some of us feel that going backwards is not progress.

To whom much is given much is required would be a great standard.[/quote]

I realize it came from the Bible genious..if you read correctly you could see that I said he used that saying along with some other profound statements that he always followed

[Kolzilla41]

His freshman year under RD Jenkins played less than 15 minutes pg. His only year under RMK he played over 31.................... more than double. Scoring more than doubled as well.

If that's being "downgraded" give me a "downgrade" please!

Yes, RMK did recruit several guards the next year, but there is no way of knowing how that would have affected BJ's role. He left because he didn't like it at LU. That's it, period, straight from his own mouth, as posted here by people who heard him say it.[/quote]

And Rocco left because he trust the direction under JB and Richmond has better facilities... [/quote]

Rocco left because he made a mistake reinstating Asa. He also knew is stock was falling with mediocre finishes in the BS. He left while he still had a good reputation.

[jbock13]

To say Richmond has better facilities is laughable at the least. Downright rolling on the floor hilarious at best.

[bballfan84]

To say Richmond has better facilities is laughable at the least. Downright rolling on the floor hilarious at best.

Whats more laughable is that RD is posing as T&C and IMBACH

[TDDance234]

To say Richmond has better facilities is laughable at the least. Downright rolling on the floor hilarious at best.

Whats more laughable is that RD is posing as T&C and IMBACH

It isn't RD but the other two are the same.

[IMBach]

To say Richmond has better facilities is laughable at the least. Downright rolling on the floor hilarious at best.

Whats more laughable is that RD is posing as T&C and IMBACH

It isn't RD but the other two are the same.

I am not RD or T/C. But I do think that some on here work in the athletic administration.

But I do think RD got a raw deal and we have gone backwards since. So I guess we can't have any opinion that is not bolstering the current direction without being label as something we are not. Maybe that diffuses the focus on how we have not progressed over past five years.

[Purple Haize]

We have not had coaching stability since JM was here. Having stability with a coaching staff is very helpful.

[IMBach]

Exactly but don't open the question as to why because we could have had stability.

[BJWilliams]

Since JM's last year we have had 4 different head coaches and 22 different assistant coaches

[Purple Haize]

Exactly but don't open the question as to why because we could have had stability.

You can make a strong case that JM should not have been let go.
You can make a strong argument that MH should have been let go.
You can't blame RMK, iMO, for leaving for an ACC gig. No one could have foreseen his longtime friend getting the job in C'viile.
DL doesn't have a long enough tenure to make a judgement. Although I think everyone agrees next year is HUGE.
So that just leaves one coach where there is controversy. We know where you and ToC fall on that one.
But stability could be had under DL which is why I'm not jumping on the fire DL bandwagon. I thought he did a great job this year. His kids go to class and keep their grades up. He stays within budget. IMO, his biggest liability is that he is not flashy. But I'm not sure that's a bad thing. Just because there is no sizzle doesn't mean there isn't any steak.

[jmdickens]

Since JM's last year we have had 4 different head coaches and 22 different assistant coaches

my prodigal son returns!!!

[truthorconsequences]

Exactly but don't open the question as to why because we could have had stability.

You can make a strong case that JM should not have been let go.
You can make a strong argument that MH should have been let go.
You can't blame RMK, iMO, for leaving for an ACC gig. No one could have foreseen his longtime friend getting the job in C'viile.
DL doesn't have a long enough tenure to make a judgement. Although I think everyone agrees next year is HUGE.
So that just leaves one coach where there is controversy. We know where you and ToC fall on that one.
But stability could be had under DL which is why I'm not jumping on the fire DL bandwagon. I thought he did a great job this year. His kids go to class and keep their grades up. He stays within budget. IMO, his biggest liability is that he is not flashy. But I'm not sure that's a bad thing. Just because there is no sizzle doesn't mean there isn't any steak.

You certainly are entitled to your opinion. There is negatives and positives with all. But we could have had stability with a guy who had a major role in the biggest LU successes.

BTW let the conspiracy theories roll: oldflame is Kevin Keys.

[truthorconsequences]

I see your smiley IMbach, but I'm actually scratching my own head. I totally refuted your allegation that RMK reduced Jenkin's role. As usual, you choose to ignore any facts that don't fit your agenda. Do you actually think when he recruited Curry and Sanders that Richie told BJ they were signed to take his job and his role would be reduced? If Jenkins felt slighted because the coach recruited some guards, that's his problem. RD left a pretty bare cupboard, and we needed the troops.

Are you serious? Alex Mclean, Anthony Smith, teeJay Bannister, BJ jenkins, Rell Porter , Tyler Baker (if not injured), and Dwight. That is a bare cupboard?

[Bigsouthking]

Only thing I disagree with PH on your post is about

RMK leaving for UVA, look at his resume, he is always out running the posse...don't Naive about someone leaving LU. (that word again Naive, I been using it a lot on here lately)

JB should have been wise enough to notice this and also why hire a recycled guy when he could have gotten John Cooper, a fresh guy, who is successful at Tenn. State.

Same with Turner Gill, but we will wait to see on that one...

FWIW there are a ton of Christian coaches, but let me say this not all them fit or understand the Liberty culture, and some can't handle it.

[Bigsouthking]

Old flame,

t or C has a point.... RD left RMK some good players... Your off base with your argument... Smitty was pre season POY... And Jesse was a Texas kid, no denying RD worked hard down there for talent.

[rogers3]

Whats more laughable is that RD is posing as T&C and IMBACH

It isn't RD but the other two are the same.

I am not RD or T/C. But I do think that some on here work in the athletic administration.

But I do think RD got a raw deal and we have gone backwards since. So I guess we can't have any opinion that is not bolstering the current direction without being label as something we are not. Maybe that diffuses the focus on how we have not progressed over past five years.

Darn- IMB figured it out. Yes, I am Jeff Barber... and I think that I have done a pretty good job. If you don't think so, you will when I announce our ACC invite.

[Purple Haize]

BSK. I'm not saying whether I agree or is agree with the RMK hire. I've always been a fan of bringing in a coach from a successful program at a Christian college or someone who is very outspoken in their faith. I think both of those situations would supply us with someone who buys into LU and would be around for awhile. I think the outspoken part is where TG fits in, but like. You said, we will see.
And trust me, I am far from nieve in the ways of The Mountain!