[truthorconsequences]

What? I post actual data supporting the fact that ToC is completely delusional and he doesn't respond??? SHOCKING!!!!!

you obviously buy into the performance level of our major sports. continue to applaud the process and we will see when the next championship arrives in Lynchburg.

I obviously don't. I have been VERY critical of this team and have questioned Coach Layer's philosophy at times. You pointed out the poor attendance during a bad season so I went back and found the attendance during one of RD's bad seasons for a Saturday game and the attendance was virtually identical!

My point is attendance has more to do with performance. We aren't performing well, much like we weren't performing well at this time in 2006

Of course you don't directly respond to that, you simply lump me into a group I don't belong to because that's easy for you. Its hard for you to admit that things were not that great even when RD was here. It would require you to be objective and that is something you clearly have never been interested in doing.

You are accurate in there is a correlation between attendance and winning. We can argue all day on where the program would be with RD or now with the JB administrative decisions/DL coaching. The sad fact is we had an opportunity to continue to grow and have lost our connection to the community. 56 people in Vines Center at PC tip off. Some on here will staunchly defend that all the right moves are being made. Most who live in the world of business would be held to accountability is such performance was displayed. Speak out and the name calling begins....that what losers do when then positions have no validity.

[Purple Haize]

You are accurate in there is a correlation between attendance and winning. We can argue all day on where the program would be with RD or now with the JB administrative decisions/DL coaching. The sad fact is we had an opportunity to continue to grow and have lost our connection to the community. 56 people in Vines Center at PC tip off. Some on here will staunchly defend that all the right moves are being made. Most who live in the world of business would be held to accountability is such performance was displayed. Speak out and the name calling begins....that what losers do when then positions have no validity.

Considering you are still too gutless to blame the right person for what you perceive is happening on the floor you should take your own advice or still be the loser you claim everyone else is.
You are the one so clouded by hate and bile from something that happened years ago you fail to grasp what people on here are saying. Do you blame the CEO of McDonalds when your drive thru order is messed up or do you blame the person who took the order?

[BJWilliams]

and he no doubt wonders why the vast majority of the people on here don't listen to what he's saying (except for you and up until recently postman)

[IMBach]

Sadly it appears that Purple Haize has his own share of bitterness and bile. It very well may be the kettle calling the pot black.

[Purple Haize]

Sadly it appears that Purple Haize has his own share of bitterness and bile. It very well may be the kettle calling the pot black.

Actually it is annoyance and disbelief but nice try. I'm not the one who takes any and every opportunity to call for the dismissal of the AD. I'm not the one clinging to some perceived utopian past and clamoring for its return. I'm not the one calling for accountability and then ignoring the person most responsible so I can turn it into an attack on someone else. Finally, I'm not the one who paints every opposing view as a kool aid drinking ignorance. Those people that are that way, however, project far more bitterness and emotional instability then those of us who are not.

[bballfan84]

Sadly it appears that Purple Haize has his own share of bitterness and bile. It very well may be the kettle calling the pot black.

Actually it is annoyance and disbelief but nice try. I'm not the one who takes any and every opportunity to call for the dismissal of the AD. I'm not the one clinging to some perceived utopian past and clamoring for its return. I'm not the one calling for accountability and then ignoring the person most responsible so I can turn it into an attack on someone else. Finally, I'm not the one who paints every opposing view as a kool aid drinking ignorance. Those people that are that way, however, project far more bitterness and emotional instability then those of us who are not.

ohhhhh burn in your face AD HATERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lynchburgwildcats]

So Devin Harris, Michael Finley, and Alando Tucker aren't athletic? Interesting. Jordan Taylor and Ryan Evans are most certainly athletic. But you know what else Wisconsin is? Big, and their guys play big.

Mike Scott, MIchael Brogdon, and Jontel Evans aren't athletic now? UVa is also big, Sene is 7-0 and Scott 6-8...

Find another example. If a team isn't big, they have to be athletic to win (think Missouri). If they don't have some athletic players, well then they likely aren't going to be all that good unless they have something else that is supremely good. You aren't going to find a good D1 team that is lacking both. Heck, you won't find a good D2, D3, or NAIA team that is lacking both. Chemistry is what a team needs to get beyond good, chemistry isn't going to make a team good if it doesn't have the talent to be good...

That's my point. Wisconsin is not and have never been loaded with athletes. Were Harris Finley and Tucker on the court together? They have big guys who play big. I played against Michael Findley and while was more athletic then me, he was also a beast. ( and lets be honest Gomer Pyle was probably more athletic then me!) Thus a long career in the NBA. Wisconsin from 1-5 is not overly athletic, thus proving my point. They have one or 2 STRONG athletic players and that's it. They have some corn and milk fed beef under the boards and maybe a shooter. They score over 60 points it's like scoring 100 for other teams!
Butler was another good example. Heywood was about as athletic as Kyle Singler. Mack was their athlete but the rest of their players were not.
Missouri throws out a crap load of athletes, ala Arkansas, and gets after it. That would be a style opposed to Wisconsin. Neither is superior to the other, they just are.

And this post supports my argument: to be a good D1 team, you have to be either athletic or big.

So far I have yet to see anyone bring up a consistently good D1 team that isn't athletic or doesn't play big.

[lynchburgwildcats]

UVa is also big, Sene is 7-0 and Scott 6-8...

If one 7 footer and one 6-8 is enough to be big, then we are 1 inch short since JVP is 6-10 and Tomasz 6-9.

But they don't play big and are role players at best on a bad team, big difference. Sene and Scott are major players on a Top 25 team, and Scott may even be the ACC Player of the Year. Size doesn't matter if the size isn't any good...

[Purple Haize]

I'm not sure where we disagree. I said earlier, and you seem to feel the same way, you don't have to be big to play big. But if you are big and play big that's even better!

[jcmanson]

Sene hasn't played for the last 2 weeks and will be out the next month (at least) due to injury. UVA's starting frontcourt currently is 6'8" and 6'8"

[lynchburgwildcats]

Sene hasn't played for the last 2 weeks and will be out the next month (at least) due to injury. UVA's starting frontcourt currently is 6'8" and 6'8"

Yep, and UVa is just 3-2 without Sene, further proving my point. Likely will be 4-3 after the UNC game this weekend.

[NotAJerry]

UVa is also big, Sene is 7-0 and Scott 6-8...

If one 7 footer and one 6-8 is enough to be big, then we are 1 inch short since JVP is 6-10 and Tomasz 6-9.

But they don't play big and are role players at best on a bad team, big difference. Sene and Scott are major players on a Top 25 team, and Scott may even be the ACC Player of the Year. Size doesn't matter if the size isn't any good...

Keep moving the target.

[jcmanson]

Sene hasn't played for the last 2 weeks and will be out the next month (at least) due to injury. UVA's starting frontcourt currently is 6'8" and 6'8"

Yep, and UVa is just 3-2 without Sene, further proving my point. Likely will be 4-3 after the UNC game this weekend.

2 of those losses to top 20 teams though. They only played one top 25 team with Sene

[GillsHill2013]

Its not so much about the height and more about the heart/work ethic which is what our bigs lack. Take for instance Kevin Jones at WVU. Came in his freshman year at 6'7" and 210lbs. Senior year he is 6'8" 265lbs. What is impressive is he leads the Big East in Rebounding 11.4 a game and scoring 20.2. What makes him impressive is his 4.4 offensive rebounds per game which is 2nd in the nation. (He is only 6'8"). He has the work ethic and the heart to get better. Coach DL needs to go after guys with heart and work ethic that will grow.

PS. Practicing flops/charges in pre-game warmups is a joke. Me and my dorm got the game early @ 6 saturday against UNCA and laughed while they practiced flopping.... Did anyone else at the end of the UNCA game see JVP try one of those charge/flops, no call and easy layup. They need to get big and not make it that easy on the other team... Probably at least 5 of those flops saturday that led to easy layups...

[jcmanson]

Glad you joined, stick around

[lynchburgwildcats]

Sene hasn't played for the last 2 weeks and will be out the next month (at least) due to injury. UVA's starting frontcourt currently is 6'8" and 6'8"

Yep, and UVa is just 3-2 without Sene, further proving my point. Likely will be 4-3 after the UNC game this weekend.

2 of those losses to top 20 teams though. They only played one top 25 team with Sene

ANd they have played some of their worst basketball of the season since Sene has gone down. They are struggling to beat bottom of the pack ACC teams. Boston College excluded, that team is beyond pitiful.

[lynchburgwildcats]

But they don't play big and are role players at best on a bad team, big difference. Sene and Scott are major players on a Top 25 team, and Scott may even be the ACC Player of the Year. Size doesn't matter if the size isn't any good...

Keep moving the target.

If a team has big players but doesn't play big, they are effectively eliminating the fact they have big players. This has not changed any during the entire course of the discussion, the target has always been athleticism and big (as in playing big). IF you don't play big, then you aren't big no matter what the listed heights are.

[Purple Haize]

But they don't play big and are role players at best on a bad team, big difference. Sene and Scott are major players on a Top 25 team, and Scott may even be the ACC Player of the Year. Size doesn't matter if the size isn't any good...

Keep moving the target.

If a team has big players but doesn't play big, they are effectively eliminating the fact they have big players. This has not changed any during the entire course of the discussion, the target has always been athleticism and big (as in playing big). IF you don't play big, then you aren't big no matter what the listed heights are.

Actually the discussion was about being athletic and big. Playing big is different.

[NotAJerry]

Its not so much about the height and more about the heart/work ethic which is what our bigs lack. Take for instance Kevin Jones at WVU. Came in his freshman year at 6'7" and 210lbs. Senior year he is 6'8" 265lbs. What is impressive is he leads the Big East in Rebounding 11.4 a game and scoring 20.2. What makes him impressive is his 4.4 offensive rebounds per game which is 2nd in the nation. (He is only 6'8"). He has the work ethic and the heart to get better. Coach DL needs to go after guys with heart and work ethic that will grow.

PS. Practicing flops/charges in pre-game warmups is a joke. Me and my dorm got the game early @ 6 saturday against UNCA and laughed while they practiced flopping.... Did anyone else at the end of the UNCA game see JVP try one of those charge/flops, no call and easy layup. They need to get big and not make it that easy on the other team... Probably at least 5 of those flops saturday that led to easy layups...

Very true. Sommy was showing that kind of dedication/growth. I think things would look much better if we had Sommy/Burrus starting with JVP/Gielo coming off the bench. JVP is showing some improvement lately, but I don't think he'll be more than a backup. Gielo is doing just fine for a freshman who missed time with an injury. Simple health would have been a big boost to the frontline this season.

[NotAJerry]

But they don't play big and are role players at best on a bad team, big difference. Sene and Scott are major players on a Top 25 team, and Scott may even be the ACC Player of the Year. Size doesn't matter if the size isn't any good...

Keep moving the target.

If a team has big players but doesn't play big, they are effectively eliminating the fact they have big players. This has not changed any during the entire course of the discussion, the target has always been athleticism and big (as in playing big). IF you don't play big, then you aren't big no matter what the listed heights are.

Your entire original point was that we don't have the athleticism and size needed. The second part is inaccurate.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Actually the discussion was about being athletic and big. Playing big is different.

Your entire original point was that we don't have the athleticism and size needed. The second part is inaccurate.

The LU bigs don't play big. That doesn't refute my original argument and statement, which I have quoted below since some of you are struggling to read.

And how many good D1 teams aren't big (or at least play big, think like a Charles Barkley playing big) and/or athletic?

[Purple Haize]

Again. There is a difference between being big and playing big. You have followed up your original argument by equating being big to playing big.

[thepostman]

how about that attendance huh??

[NotAJerry]

Again. There is a difference between being big and playing big. You have followed up your original argument by equating being big to playing big.

Stop making sense.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Again. There is a difference between being big and playing big. You have followed up your original argument by equating being big to playing big.

I know what I have said, I said playing big in my original argument that I have already requoted once...

And yet still no one has legitimately brought up a team that fits the description of good while also not being athletic or big.