[Purple Haize]

I'm sorry, this is athletics how far do you take fair? The rules are the same for everyone. Everyone has the opportunity to win the regular season. The REWARD for doing SI gives you home court advantage, such as it is, for the conference tournament. What is not fair? You could argue that it isn't fair for a team to best their cans the whole season only to have to play the 4 th place team in an arena with 8 fans watching.
Again, if we were in one of the major conferences you would have a point. (even though the ACC tourney has gone down as they have moved it.)

[ballcoach15]

I recall one year the regular season championship was decided on a bad call by an official, thus that ref gave a team home court advantage in tourney. It is never good to have a tourney on opponents home court.

[Purple Haize]

I recall one year the regular season championship was decided on a bad call by an official, thus that ref gave a team home court advantage in tourney. It is never good to have a tourney on opponents home court.

Really? That team made all their free throws? Made every shot? Didn't have any turnovers? They had won every other game in conference? Yeah, I can see how that would be unfair

[thepostman]

I recall one year the regular season championship was decided on a bad call by an official, thus that ref gave a team home court advantage in tourney. It is never good to have a tourney on opponents home court.

A game is never decided on ONE call

[Purple Haize]

I recall one year the regular season championship was decided on a bad call by an official, thus that ref gave a team home court advantage in tourney. It is never good to have a tourney on opponents home court.

A game is never decided on ONE call

You would think a ballcoach would know that!

[BJWilliams]

I recall one year the regular season championship was decided on a bad call by an official, thus that ref gave a team home court advantage in tourney. It is never good to have a tourney on opponents home court.

Really? That team made all their free throws? Made every shot? Didn't have any turnovers? They had won every other game in conference? Yeah, I can see how that would be unfair

Purple is right...there are so many variables in every game that there is no way that just ONE call can have that great an effect on the outcome...methinks you check your good sense at the door my friend

[kdinva]

Looks like the impasse is over.....

http://www.bigsouthsports.com/ViewArtic ... =205367605

about the only way to resolve this, this season.

Now, I presume the Conf. office and Chuck South have their plan in place, JUST in case Chuck is the higher seeded team come that Saturday. Both Citadel's and C of C's arenas should be available, since both squads will be in the Asheville Civic Center that day, anyway.

Plus, a good plan in place for the near future:

This past fall, the Big South Conference CEOs approved a new, combined basketball tournament format beginning with the 2012-13 season. The Big South Conference will play their championship game at a neutral site that would be identified well in advance, assuring that a conflict will not occur in future years.

[TIMSCAR20]

A couple of things:

1st the home court thing is slightly over rated in terms of giving the home team the advantage. The best team or the team playing the best usually wins. In recent years, Asheville and Winthrop have won the tournament on the road. When I was coaching in the 90's Liberty hosted in the Vines 4 straight years and we didn't win it once. We got to the final game twice but there are no guarantees. I agree with those of you who said that it does put a premium on the regular season by having the higher seeds host.

Based on some of your comments you guys may not be aware of this season's post season format:

10 of the 11 teams will play in the tournament this year. Before it was 8 teams each year.
There are now basically 4 rounds.
Round 1 matches #7 vs # 10 on the floor of #7 then #8 vs #9 on the floor of #8 seed.
Quarterfinals are now at one site. If the season ended today that sight will be at Asheville. So all 8 teams remaining will play at the new Arena in Asheville on Wed Feb 29

Thurs March 1 the semi-finals would be at Asheville
Saturday March 3 the Finals will be played at the highest remaining seed thus guaranteeing a crowd at the final game.

I think the home court advantage for the final game is fine. That is the only way you will get a crowd at this level. As Purple said, this is not the Big East.

[ballcoach15]

One call can cost a team a game. I have played, coached and watched many games in my lifetime, where "one call/non call" decided the outcome. Those who say otherwise are fooling themselves

[Purple Haize]

One call can cost a team a game. I have played, coached and watched many games in my lifetime, where "one call/non call" decided the outcome. Those who say otherwise are fooling themselves

Really? Yeah I mean I haven't played or coached at the Upward Bound level like another of our esteemed posters (not you ball) but I have played coached and officiated at just about every other level. So feel free to show me ANY game where you THINK one.call cost the game and I will be able to show you at least 5 other reasons not related to that one call why the losing team lost.
Also apparently the following coaches are fooling themselves:
Coach K
Roy Williams
Dean Smith
Bob Knight
Rick Pitino
Rick Majerus
Lute Olsen
and some wannabe John Wooden
I have personally heard these B level coaches say the same thing

[BJWilliams]

I have to go back to a game Purple would remember from just last week. Mrs Purple's Lady Pioneers were playing Amherst. Amherst hits a 3 to get to within one point with about 20 seconds to go. the Pioneers try to get up court and draw a foul and instead turn the ball over, giving the Lancers the last shot. If a foul had been called there, would that have decided the game? No it wouldnt have because even if a foul is called there, they still have to make the free throws and then play defense for at least one more possession. Amherst gets the ball and tries to set up a last play, but the lob inside is swatted away and the clock expires. Did the fact that a foul wasnt called on that play decide the game? No. As with the first play, you still have to make your free throws. You are putting far too much emphasis on a single play ballcoach because you are assuming that EVERYTHING else would have to happen the exact same way if the call goes the other direction for that to even be remotely true. If that happens, it opens up a whole new set of variables from that point on. I think the only one "fooling themselves" is you my friend

[g-webb1994]

Just my .02, but even though I love to rip the zebras quite often, whenever looking at how a basketball game is lost, I look immediately at two stats in the boxscore...(1) free throw shooting percentage and (2) points gotten/allowed off of turnovers. Those two stats make or break a game a heckuva lot more often than an inept ref.

[thepostman]

One call can cost a team a game. I have played, coached and watched many games in my lifetime, where "one call/non call" decided the outcome. Those who say otherwise are fooling themselves

Glad you weren't ever my coach.

[Purple Haize]

BJ. A fouls should have been called! It wouldn't have cost the game. Had we NOT turned the ball over 2 possessions earlier or had we not had a great defense drawn up during the time out that would have cost us the game. Coming out flatter then a pan cake in the 1st qtr would have done more to cost us the game then any call.

GW you are pretty close. I also look at Turnovers , Shooting percentages and rebounds.

[BJWilliams]

I agree with you Purple...you helped me make my point. To say that one single call can completely alter the outcome of a game (and that's true in basketball as well as football. hockey and even soccer to some degree) is foolish because it completely fails to account for the wide number of other variables that are in play.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Just my .02, but even though I love to rip the zebras quite often, whenever looking at how a basketball game is lost, I look immediately at two stats in the boxscore...(1) free throw shooting percentage and (2) points gotten/allowed off of turnovers. Those two stats make or break a game a heckuva lot more often than an inept ref.

VERY True.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

One call can cost a team a game. I have played, coached and watched many games in my lifetime, where "one call/non call" decided the outcome. Those who say otherwise are fooling themselves

Really? Yeah I mean I haven't played or coached at the Upward Bound level like another of our esteemed posters (not you ball) but I have played coached and officiated at just about every other level. So feel free to show me ANY game where you THINK one.call cost the game and I will be able to show you at least 5 other reasons not related to that one call why the losing team lost.
Also apparently the following coaches are fooling themselves:
Coach K
Roy Williams
Dean Smith
Bob Knight
Rick Pitino
Rick Majerus
Lute Olsen
and some wannabe John Wooden
I have personally heard these B level coaches say the same thing

I might be wrong, but I don't think he was trying to say all that. ONE call can lose a game in the final possession. Yes, a team does their fair share of making mistakes that could change the outcome as well.

ONE call can lose a game if it changes being w/ or w/out a great player... Things like that. In every game both teams need to minimize mistakes to come out with a Win, its just sad that we don't hold officials to the same standard. They are human, they make mistakes, teams are more in control than ONE call, but it could change an outcome. Most of us just prefer to look at missed opportunities with a "he who is without sin throw the first stone" approach.

I always respect officials more that will admit they made a mistake and say "Coach I missed that one" the same way I respect players that will hold their hand up and say "Coach I messed up on that one".

[Purple Haize]

Officials are held to a much higher standard than any coach. Don't believe me? Try and be one.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Officials are held to a much higher standard than any coach. Don't believe me? Try and be one.

Thats what I was saying... Either you are agreeing with me or I wrote it wrong or jut not addressing me at all again.

[Purple Haize]

Or I read it wrong.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

That too.

[BJWilliams]

Still there are variables that come into play with every call or non-call over the course of a game. Even on end of game possessions. Going back to my example from last Friday, the fact that a foul was not called (I dont think one really was there to be thought about during that sequence) but if one was called, you assume that the accompanying free throws are made.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Still there are variables that come into play with every call or non-call over the course of a game. Even on end of game possessions. Going back to my example from last Friday, the fact that a foul was not called (I dont think one really was there to be thought about during that sequence) but if one was called, you assume that the accompanying free throws are made.

You know what happens when you assume...