[jcmanson]

Let's just hope nobody looks at Evan wrong or does anything to him that could possibly hurt his feelings between now and next Saturday. If we make sure that doesn't happen then we could win the tournament.

Yeah he needs to grow up.

[olldflame]

The last 4 games have been frustrating, but I am in no way, shape or form "embarassed" by this team. I am embarassed by so-called fans who have gotten spoiled by a little success and now feel they are entitled to a win every time out.

[ALAFlamesFan]

I missed this game so forgive my ignorance. Why didn't JVP play?

[ToTheLeft]

If we were in any way shape or form on the same level as almost all of the schools we compete with in conference I would agree oldflame. But we drastically outspend them. We have drastically nicer facilities, and we are a drastically bigger school. We talk about getting out of the Big South (and I'm one of the chief offenders), but we don't beat the Presby's of the world. I'm just starting to question the return on investment here in terms of what we spend. I'm never going to wave the white flag or stop being a fan. I'm saying this bc I love Liberty so much. If you've ever been embarrassed by a family member doing something that you knew they were better than, I guess that's sort of how I felt last night.

[Chris Lang]

I missed this game so forgive my ignorance. Why didn't JVP play?

Some sort of right foot injury, according to Alan York. He said it was more of an infection than any sort of muscle injury, and referred to it as near the big toe. Could be an ingrown toenail. Having gone through one myself, it's a miserably painful thing to deal with until the infection goes down. Hard to even walk on it.

[olldflame]

Well guys, I guess LSU and Wake Forest should just shut down their basketball programs, because they lost AT HOME to Presby this year (and please don't come back with something lame like "they had Coleman then" He's not that good, and we beat them at home when they had him.)

Have you forgotten that less than 2 years ago this program was in shambles? Short of going the Cliff Ellis route, all the $$ and facilities in the world aren't going to build a dominant program overnight from where we were. 4 games ago we were 13-2 and everyone was on the bandwagon. We lose 3 conference road games and a home game to an Iona team that is just flat better than we are, and now you are "embarasssed". I said it before, and I'll say it again. I'm frustrated and disappointed with the last few games, but I am embarassed by some of you knowitall bandwagon "fans".

[LibertyRadioPxP]

The infection is in-between Joel's right big toe and the toe next to it. Said he was beginning to feel discomfort last Tuesday and by Thursday's game at WU it was really bothering him. He told us he has a better appreciation of players who say they can't play with turf toe. The injury is not turf toe or an ingrown nail, but like Chris Lang said it for sure is difficult to play on injuries like that even if they seem insignificant like a toe injury.

[jbock13]

The AD is the problem!

Which one? You mean Virginia Tech?

[bigsmooth]

Tonight I watched the game with my fiancé, and for the first time I really felt embarrassed of our athletic program. I know this may seem like an odd time given where we've come from. There was something about knowing what we are now, a large modern university, and seeing us crumble in what looks like my high school gym to this tiny college, it really tore at what my perception and perhaps delusions are about our school. How are we this far ahead of these tiny little schools in everything it is supposed to take to win, and yet we consistently crumble in football, basketball, and other sports year after year? How are we not absolutely dominating every sport in the Big South with our facilities and budget?

I know I'm emotional and likely overreacting. I just hate losing to these peons when we are supposedly becoming big time, and it's starting to get embarrassing. Like an overhyped prospect thats all flash and no substance, I wonder what out great facilities and big budget really have gotten us?

ok....BYD said he was emotional and overreacting so give him a pass!!!...and BYD maybe take a night before you post we all need to tone down our expectations. we knew going in that this team had the propensity to play the way we have seen the past few weeks. LU is still an emerging school. we are no where near being a ND or BYU. our options are few right now to move to another conference until realignment goes full steam. i think we get this false hope that since we build these nice facilities that every Christian athlete is going to come here. that's not gonna happen right now. so despite our nice facilities we still face a recruiting battle. should we not lose to smaller schools?? i don't know. but never have i felt embarrassed of our program. i love how passionate our fan base is but sometimes we come across like an NC State fan...big expectations when they know it probably wont happen. this basketball team got hot during the middle of the season and we are talking about "special seasons" and the big dance. now they are struggling and some ready to jump. lets all come back from off the ledge and understand this is sports and even the best teams will lose to teams we should not. is it coaching? i doubt it. layer has done a great job with this group. is it Jeff Barber?? NO.....vthokie should really wake up and end his hatred of our AD. anyway, let's just all be in the furnace tueday night and support this team. we have seen they can win this year, and a great home court advantage is key! GO FLAMES!

[jbock13]

the thing that I love about vtechokie is that he's such a Liberty fan that he didn't even bother to mention it while creating his account

Anyways, let's remember one game can turn this thing around. We can beat HP. Then we can beat VMI or CSU. We've done it before.

[kiltsareitchy07]

I think I can answer a lot of your questions, BYD. First of all, just because you're "big" and "modern" doesn't mean that you will be good...at anything. Sure, it means that you might be able to generate revenue and pour more resources into your athletics programs, but what counts is the talent and the coaching. Speaking of which, it's not like LU has the monopoly on college basketball talent. Some of it attends PC, the school whose team of "peons" beat you just as often as you beat it this season. Finally, the reason you're so embarrassed is that you have a way-overblown sense of LU's relevance in the world of college athletics. I'll be the first to admit that, in the first four years of transition, PC athletics didn't perform to the hype that many PC fans created for it. Perhaps LU will become the Protestant Notre Dame Falwell wanted it to become, but you're not. there. yet. Taking a small Bible college and turning it into a school with the prestige of Notre Dame will take a long time. But please, BYD, for your own health, take a breather. You can say whatever you want about my tiny alma mater and my peon basketball players, but we have good things going on over there too, including the gym where solid Christian athletes chose to play their college ball.

[jbock13]

I was going to say that too... Presbyterian has some good players, like it or not. If Coleman was healthy they could have gave Coastal a run this year along with us.

[LUFan23]

The AD is the problem!

WHAT?!? We have THE best AD in the country! Think of where he has taken Liberty Athletics. It is not Jeff Barber.

[jcmanson]

Then we can beat VMI or CSU. We've done it before.

It would be either UNCA or CSU. VMI plays WU with the winner playing CCU/GW winner.

[jbock13]

Then we can beat VMI or CSU. We've done it before.

It would be either UNCA or CSU. VMI plays WU with the winner playing CCU/GW winner.

Whoops that's my fault I didn't look lol.

[BJWilliams]

Sorry if my frustration offended you Presby fan. You are obviously corrected that being bigger and spending more doesn't mean you will perform better than the competition. We are proving that as a program. I would argue that it should mean that. If you look at all of the metrics you look at with universities in college athletics, we no longer belong in the Big South. We don't have much at all in common with the rest of the conference. Yet, we continue to perform like a school that does. That's what I was getting at. I'm not trying to demean Presby, but if I were in your shoes and I visited LU, I would say to myself, "how can we compete with this?". But you do. You would probably credit it to what you are doing well. I would credit it to what we aren't. We will get there, just not at the pace that we would like I guess.

There lies the problem with many people on here (yourself included BYD) Extending my investment analogy a bit, you can buy shares of a particular stock (or invest in certain stocks, funds/commodities, technologies etc.) but you shouldnt go in expecting million dollar returns within the first few months (or really the first couple years if you really think about it) from something...does that mean you sell? Absolutely not! A good investor doesnt sell when the going gets tough. He sticks with his investments because he knows that for every down there is an up. We started investing more in the athletic program in what...2006? 5 years isnt a ton of time as athletics programs go so to expect Liberty to be dominating every single sport and beating everybody by 8 touchdowns in football, 20+ points in basketball, 8 runs or more in baseball, etc, is WAY overblown. Should we win the games we should? Yeah...but that also means that we will lose games that we shouldnt. Its no reason to "sell" your athletic program BYD...Its going to take time...unfortunately we live in a microwave culture who wants everything quickly...even our athletic success. If youre going to be on board when the team is doing well, you are going to have to stick with them when the going gets tough...not be "embarrassed" just because they hit a rough patch.

[flameshaw]

Sorry, our play by play guy is horrible.

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I want to apologize for my comments here. I believe AY is making a good effort and doing much better than I could ever do. Just because I have a different take on things, or might like to hear things described differently, doesn't mean I should air those opinions in public, in such a negative way. I could have and should have voiced my comments differently. In the end, we are all on the same team and only want to see LU succeed and be the best we can be. Go LU.

[g-webb1994]

Nibbert is a darned good coach as well, and he's been at PC since my student days at G-W, it's been that long....

[Th3rd]

spending more money does not equal championships... if it did the Yankees would win the World Series every year.... and the AL East would be far and away the best division in the MLB.... which neither is true

and this is a Yankees fan admitting this... its stupid to think that more money = wins

[jbock13]

and the AL East would be far and away the best division in the MLB.... which neither is true

The AL East is the best. It's no contest. lol.

[BJWilliams]

spending more money does not equal championships... if it did the Yankees would win the World Series every year.... and the AL East would be far and away the best division in the MLB.... which neither is true

and this is a Yankees fan admitting this... its stupid to think that more money = wins

+1 Andrew...+1

[Th3rd]

and the AL East would be far and away the best division in the MLB.... which neither is true

The AL East is the best. It's no contest. lol.

point holds true

and i think the NL East could give the AL East a run at that best title

[jbock13]

Well you've got 4 potential teams that could go .500. Possibly even all 5.

Yankees (well you know)
Boston Red RAYS (same as the yankees)
Tampa Rays (lost a ton of players, but still have good pitching and a great farm system)
Baltimore (their hitting is much improved)
Toronto (always flies under the radar)

[Th3rd]

Well you've got 4 potential teams that could go .500. Possibly even all 5.

Yankees (well you know)
Boston Red RAYS (same as the yankees)
Tampa Rays (lost a ton of players, but still have good pitching and a great farm system)
Baltimore (their hitting is much improved)
Toronto (always flies under the radar)

boston will start hot and flame out. the yanks need something badly. the rays lost a bunch. baltimore is well... interesting... and toronto... i always seem to forget about toronto


either way the statement is still true that money does not equal wins


you could have bill gates as a founder and be the worst team in NCAA history

[jbock13]

Well you've got 4 potential teams that could go .500. Possibly even all 5.

Yankees (well you know)
Boston Red RAYS (same as the yankees)
Tampa Rays (lost a ton of players, but still have good pitching and a great farm system)
Baltimore (their hitting is much improved)
Toronto (always flies under the radar)

boston will start hot and flame out. the yanks need something badly. the rays lost a bunch. baltimore is well... interesting... and toronto... i always seem to forget about toronto


either way the statement is still true that money does not equal wins


you could have bill gates as a founder and be the worst team in NCAA history

Oh yeah I agree with you that money doesn't buy wins. But just making it clear the AL East is where it's at haha.