[flamesbball84]

Any suggestions on what basketball books I can read up on? Since clearly I'm the moron....

Basketball for dummies would be a good start. I bought it for my my cousin's 5 year old kid, I can just give it to you and buy something different for the little tike.

[LUnpretty11]

Greatly appreciated. Thank you.

[coolhandluke]

A div 3 basketball suggesting he knows more about coaching is like Bill Clinton suggesting he has more integrity than George Bush. It's just ludicrous and no one would take that seriously!

[JK37]

A div 3 basketball suggesting he knows more about coaching is like Bill Clinton suggesting he has more integrity than George Bush. It's just ludicrous and no one would take that seriously!

The level at which a coach's team competes rarely bears any indication of the depth or quality of the basketball knowledge of said coach.

Furthermore, while highlight tapes are not entirely useless (hyperbole on a message board, blown even more out of proportion because we don't like the poster?), they are pretty much the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to scouting applicability to coaches. They are far more useful to fans. For a coach, the most they do is get the conversation started, and are immediately followed up by an interested coach at least requesting more film - most definitely a full game.

Fans pay waaaaay more attention to these than coaches, and the defense was poor. But, it is on every highlight tape. All that means is that the prospect is at least good enough to take advantage of bad defense. Coaches do more scouting to see what else he can do.

Bottom line: they aren't entirely useless, but they are at the bottom of the proverbial evaluation materials totem pole.

[flamesbball84]

A div 3 basketball suggesting he knows more about coaching is like Bill Clinton suggesting he has more integrity than George Bush. It's just ludicrous and no one would take that seriously!

So I guess Bo Ryan didn't know anything about basketball when he was winning Championships at UW-Plateville but was then hired at UW-Madison. Or Tony Shaver when he took Hampden-Sydney to the Final Four and is now guiding William & Mary to one of it's best season's ever? Greg Poppovich used to coach at D3 Pomona Pitzer and I assume you know has won multiple NBA titles with the Spurs. VCU head coach Shaka Smart is a D3 alum. John Giannini led D3 Rowan to the 1996 national championship and is now at LaSalle. Glenn Miller former head coach at D3 Connecticut College and now at Penn. Mike Deane, for player and coach at D3 Potsdam State, has won 432 D1 games and is one of only 13 active D1 head coaches to take three teams to the NCAA Tournament (Siena, Marquette, Lamar). Paul Evans coach D3 St. Lawrence in the 70s then went on to coach D1 Navy and Pittsburgh. Geno Ford coached at D3 Muskingum for two years and is now at Kent State. Butler is coached by D3 grad Brad Stevens. USF coach Stan Heath spent 2 years on the bench at Albion prior to stints at Michigan St., Kent St. and Arkansas.

Wait, you are from D1 - Why aren't you coaching these teams instead of these former D3 folks who don't know anything about basketball?

[olldflame]

A div 3 basketball suggesting he knows more about coaching is like Bill Clinton suggesting he has more integrity than George Bush. It's just ludicrous and no one would take that seriously!

The level at which a coach's team competes rarely bears any indication of the depth or quality of the basketball knowledge of said coach.

Furthermore, while highlight tapes are not entirely useless (hyperbole on a message board, blown even more out of proportion because we don't like the poster?), they are pretty much the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to scouting applicability to coaches. They are far more useful to fans. For a coach, the most they do is get the conversation started, and are immediately followed up by an interested coach at least requesting more film - most definitely a full game.

Fans pay waaaaay more attention to these than coaches, and the defense was poor. But, it is on every highlight tape. All that means is that the prospect is at least good enough to take advantage of bad defense. Coaches do more scouting to see what else he can do.

Bottom line: they aren't entirely useless, but they are at the bottom of the proverbial evaluation materials totem pole.

I agree, and quite frankly I don't read in this thread where anyone has said differently. The thing that got this whole "discussion" started was actually somebody who took it too seriously and found it necessary to point out the obvious.

[JK37]

See, chl - I knew that comment was going to come back around to bite you.

In my head as I read it, I'm screaming, "No, don't say it. You can't go there! You can't defend that!!"

[SuperJon]

Furthermore, while highlight tapes are not entirely useless (hyperbole on a message board, blown even more out of proportion because we don't like the poster?), they are pretty much the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to scouting applicability to coaches. They are far more useful to fans. For a coach, the most they do is get the conversation started, and are immediately followed up by an interested coach at least requesting more film - most definitely a full game.

Fans pay waaaaay more attention to these than coaches, and the defense was poor. But, it is on every highlight tape. All that means is that the prospect is at least good enough to take advantage of bad defense. Coaches do more scouting to see what else he can do.

Bottom line: they aren't entirely useless, but they are at the bottom of the proverbial evaluation materials totem pole.

So what you're saying is they're like a great sale at a store. You know that the store isn't only the sale, but the sale makes you want to look into the store even more. You know that highlight tapes aren't everything, but they are enough to make you interested which then leads to you looking into the kid even more.

[olldflame]

Furthermore, while highlight tapes are not entirely useless (hyperbole on a message board, blown even more out of proportion because we don't like the poster?), they are pretty much the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to scouting applicability to coaches. They are far more useful to fans. For a coach, the most they do is get the conversation started, and are immediately followed up by an interested coach at least requesting more film - most definitely a full game.

Fans pay waaaaay more attention to these than coaches, and the defense was poor. But, it is on every highlight tape. All that means is that the prospect is at least good enough to take advantage of bad defense. Coaches do more scouting to see what else he can do.

Bottom line: they aren't entirely useless, but they are at the bottom of the proverbial evaluation materials totem pole.

So what you're saying is they're like a great sale at a store. You know that the store isn't only the sale, but the sale makes you want to look into the store even more. You know that highlight tapes aren't everything, but they are enough to make you interested which then leads to you looking into the kid even more.

I think I read that somewhere before.

[JK37]

Furthermore, while highlight tapes are not entirely useless (hyperbole on a message board, blown even more out of proportion because we don't like the poster?), they are pretty much the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to scouting applicability to coaches. They are far more useful to fans. For a coach, the most they do is get the conversation started, and are immediately followed up by an interested coach at least requesting more film - most definitely a full game.

Fans pay waaaaay more attention to these than coaches, and the defense was poor. But, it is on every highlight tape. All that means is that the prospect is at least good enough to take advantage of bad defense. Coaches do more scouting to see what else he can do.

Bottom line: they aren't entirely useless, but they are at the bottom of the proverbial evaluation materials totem pole.

So what you're saying is they're like a great sale at a store. You know that the store isn't only the sale, but the sale makes you want to look into the store even more. You know that highlight tapes aren't everything, but they are enough to make you interested which then leads to you looking into the kid even more.

Yes, but kids could make it even easier on the coaches if they'd just send a full game film (which most kids do now). The ones who only send highlights just make more work for the coaches, I think. But hey, what do I know?

Websites like Rivals/Scout get fans to pay money to subscribe so they can see highlights. I'm not saying anything different than anyone else, so I guess I was just adding my perspective and two cents. Apologies if it sounded like I was siding with 84.

[SuperJon]

You have no clue how Division I college athletics work.

[JK37]

You have no clue how Division I college athletics work.

Ouch, really?

[SuperJon]

None whatsoever. You've never been around them.

[JK37]

None whatsoever. You've never been around them.

You're right. I really was just offering my two cents, and I can see it was beneficial to no one. I should just remain quiet when topics of this nature are raised around here. I will do that from now on.

[JK37]

You know what .. I'm not going to remain quiet. If you're going to call me out publicly, then I'm going to addres you publicly:

What in the world makes you the all-knowing god of Division I athletics. Why do you hate on lower people all of the time, like shuk and others - just because they may speak on behalf of Division III athletics?? You think just because you work in the athletic department, you're somebody?!

Just because you work with Jeff Barber, Mickey Guridy, Kevin Keys, and Bob Good on a daily basis, that makes you knowledgeable? (Boy, that's debatable!)

You've become a royal jerk in recent times, man. You've said your piece in public, and now I've said mine. If you've got any more words of wisdom for me, respect the others readers on the board and PM me.

JK37, out!

[jcmanson]

[LUconn]

you stewed on that for 30 minutes or so. That's what made it so good.



But seriously, shuck deserves to be hated on. Every time he starts to be somewhat likable, he'll make some ridiculous and/or offensive comment to cement himself as our punching bag.

[SuperJon]

You know what .. I'm not going to remain quiet. If you're going to call me out publicly, then I'm going to addres you publicly:

What in the world makes you the all-knowing god of Division I athletics. Why do you hate on lower people all of the time, like shuk and others - just because they may speak on behalf of Division III athletics?? You think just because you work in the athletic department, you're somebody?!

Just because you work with Jeff Barber, Mickey Guridy, Kevin Keys, and Bob Good on a daily basis, that makes you knowledgeable? (Boy, that's debatable!)

You've become a royal jerk in recent times, man. You've said your piece in public, and now I've said mine. If you've got any more words of wisdom for me, respect the others readers on the board and PM me.

JK37, out!

Hahahaha, that's awesome.


Now, before anyone gets their panties in a wad and makes this a bigger deal than it actually is, this was a joke between me and JK37. We over-exaggerated things because it was funny to the two of us. We were having fun and playing off of stereotypes. It was a joke.


You may not return to your previously scheduled thread.

[JK37]

SJ and I are cool. Laughs all-around!

[jcmanson]

You guys could have kept it going for a lil while

[LUnpretty11]

Seriously. I was getting really entertained.

[ballah09]

Things are starting to take shape for Forest City (N.C.) East Rutherford senior wing Devince Boykins. According to his father, College of Charleston head coach Bobby Cremins will make a home visit Sept. 12.
Boykins already has a trio of official visits set up. He'll visit Marshall University on Sept. 24. He'll trip to Liberty on Oct. 8 and then Tulane Oct. 22.

he'll be here on homecoming! could be huge

Clemson has increased its interest in 6-3 shooting guard Devince Boykins of Forest City, NC. The Tigers have not offered but may be moving in that direction. Boykins is considering taking a visit to Clemson in June. Boykins was offered a while back by USC but the Gamecocks have not followed up on the offer. He also has offers from Miami and Marquette, and he's hearing from Florida and Xavier. Boykins comes from the school that produced former Clemson star Vince Hamilton. He averaged 10 points and 11 rebounds per game last season.

[Sly Fox]

Talk about your great weekends to have him on campus. I have a feeling his experience on campus will be very favorable to the other two visits. Sorry, CJ.

[Sly Fox]

It appears he didn't make it in this weekend because CJ's Herd surprisingly took him off the board ....

September 27, 2010
Marshall lands N.C. hoop recruit

By Doug Smock

Marshall's basketball staff thinks it has pulled a potential star out from under the Tobacco Road radar, as the Thundering Herd has landed DeVince Boykins, a 6-foot-4 combo guard from Forest City, N.C.

Boykins, who plays for East Rutherford High, reportedly committed shortly after his visit last weekend to Marshall. Recruiting sites list him with offers from a diverse list including Miami, Marquette, South Carolina, Liberty, Tulane and College of Charleston.

He reportedly had visits lined up to Liberty and Tulane, but Herd assistant coach Mark Cline is credited with closing the deal. Boykins is expected to sign Nov. 10.

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[Cider Jim]

Herd assistant coach Mark Cline is credited with closing the deal. Boykins is expected to sign Nov. 10.

Didn't he apply for the LU job that eventually went to McKay?