[CMII]

BJ Jenkins ... did not progress under the current regime he left.

What revisionist history book are you reading?

RD's last year was the '06-'07 season.
RM's first year was the '07 -'08 season.

BJ Jenkins' numbers during the '06 - '07 season: 4.8 pts, 1.5 reb, 1.4 ast, 14.5 mins.
BJ Jenkins' numbers during the '07 - '08 season: 9.9 pts, 4.4 reb, 3.0 ast, 31.3 mins.

That's an improvement under the current regime. His numbers doubled!

Look, I think RD got the shaft. I was opposed to RM and I blasted him after the UNC-A loss at the beginning of the season. I think he was horribly outcoached during the second half of the VMI game.

ut there are a few things you need to keep in mind:

#1) Anthony Smith wouldn't be as effective if RM wasn't our coach (recent N&A article had Anthony saying getting a new coach was one of his best days)
#2) Seth Curry wouldn't be here.
#3) We lost far more players in the RD era (David Dees, anyone?)
#4) If BJ were still here, we'd really have a logjam at guard.
#5) Even if we beat VMI (and we were more than a BJ Jenkins away from that), there's no guaranteeing that we would have been able to beat Radford. Sure, we beat them on their home court, but so did they.
#6) It doesn't matter anyways because what's done is done, and RM is our coach.

If you can't deal with that, then seriously, take your Hater-Ade elsewhere. We'll see you when the bandwagon comes back into town.

First of all I am not the one who interjected RD into this thread. Secondly maybe if Anthony Smith would have had RD he might have been the POY instead of just preseason POY. Who knows who we would have had on the roster but there would have been talent. When RD had an opening on staff he went and got a former Big East and ACC assistant.

Look we got sold a big ponzi scheme. "Need a minority coach...moving to big time...trash those who sacrificed to build the program...spin everything as positive...attack those who disagree....call unethical "D1 business"....spend $$$ everywhere as a perception of progress...rewrite history to downplay accomplishments and focus on negatives....all present problems or blowouts in big games justify as nature of the beast."

In the end we are on to year 3

[jcmanson]

Let’s not lie to ourselves here. Go back and read what everyone was saying about BF in the preseason and up until the early part of the conference season. Outside of Seth, everyone loved BF as much as anyone else if not more. He then began to backslide in production, which led to a reduction of minutes. Looking back on it now, I’m willing to bet BF checked out mentally sometime during conference season, and then we saw his numbers begin to decline. We’ll be fine without him (look at last night’s performance), but don’t lie to yourself and say there was no room for him on this team in the future. During certain games of the season he was as good of an all around player in our freshman class as any.

[TDDance234]

First of all I am not the one who interjected RD into this thread. Secondly maybe if Anthony Smith would have had RD he might have been the POY instead of just preseason POY. Who knows who we would have had on the roster but there would have been talent. When RD had an opening on staff he went and got a former Big East and ACC assistant.

Look we got sold a big ponzi scheme. "Need a minority coach...moving to big time...trash those who sacrificed to build the program...spin everything as positive...attack those who disagree....call unethical "D1 business"....spend $$$ everywhere as a perception of progress...rewrite history to downplay accomplishments and focus on negatives....all present problems or blowouts in big games justify as nature of the beast."

In the end we are on to year 3

Anthony Smith had one foot out the door in 2006. He had conversations with his old AAU coach. He spoke to friends at other schools. The sophomore guard was done with Liberty and was ready to transfer.

Smith’s outlook on his Liberty career changed when McKay came aboard. Smith didn’t exactly mask his dislike for the old regime. In the 2007-08 Liberty media guide, Smith lists his biggest athletic thrill as: “First collegiate dunk and getting a new coach.”

“I just didn’t like the overall atmosphere,” Smith said.

Let's put this crap to an end and wish Brolin the best of luck.

[SuperJon]

Dude, you're clinically insane. You want the truth? Here it is:

BJ Jenkins left because he was lied to in his recruiting process. He was told he could keep his dreads/braids and then was fined multiple times over his first semester for being out of hair code.

BJ Jenkins, on a recruiting trip, showed up at convo. He asked the coaching staff, "What is this?" Their response was that it was just something Liberty did occasionally. When BJ asked if he had to go to it they told him no he didn't.

BJ Jenkins wanted to have a "typical" college life.

BJ Jenkins didn't leave because of a current coach. BJ Jenkins didn't leave because of playing time. BJ Jenkins left because he hated Liberty and was not happy at all.


Brolin Floyd leaving is because of personal things. There are things going on in his life that take precedence over playing basketball. Those things in life happen. His leaving is completely, 100% non-basketball related. He's not being ran off. He's not leaving because of a coach. He has to take care of his life, and that's what he is choosing to do.


You say if RD was coach, Anthony would've been POY and not just pre-season POY. Apparently by that thinking, RD would've been able to control the fact that Anthony's daughter was born three months early and was in the hospital for a good majority of the season. RD would've been able to miraculously make that not happen. He would've miraculously been able to get Anthony to not worry about his infant daughter when she may have been struggling. The fact that he played as well as he did throughout the year with an infant daughter in the hospital is a credit to the character and integrity of Anthony Smith. To criticize a coach for him not winning POY, given the circumstances around it, is one of the most classless things I have ever read on this board.


You know what happened, from one side of the story, two years ago. You have no clue what's going on right now. You don't talk to players. You don't talk to coaches. You don't talk to administrators. You have taken the one side of the story you heard from a friend and took it as Gospel. You have not looked to see the other side of the story and then found the truth in the middle.

[ToTheLeft]

Can we just ban him? Seriously?

GRM, can you talk to you boy here and get him to get over it? Please?

This is just ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. Now he is accusing the AD's of unethical business and playing the race card, it's just beyond logic and reason, and has moved to just hysteria.

This guy isn't here for fun banter, he's a troll. If we banned shuk, how is this guy not banned?

[LCA&LU Mom]

BJ Jenkins ... did not progress under the current regime he left.

What revisionist history book are you reading?

RD's last year was the '06-'07 season.
RM's first year was the '07 -'08 season.

BJ Jenkins' numbers during the '06 - '07 season: 4.8 pts, 1.5 reb, 1.4 ast, 14.5 mins.
BJ Jenkins' numbers during the '07 - '08 season: 9.9 pts, 4.4 reb, 3.0 ast, 31.3 mins.

That's an improvement under the current regime. His numbers doubled!

Look, I think RD got the shaft. I was opposed to RM and I blasted him after the UNC-A loss at the beginning of the season. I think he was horribly outcoached during the second half of the VMI game.

ut there are a few things you need to keep in mind:

#1) Anthony Smith wouldn't be as effective if RM wasn't our coach (recent N&A article had Anthony saying getting a new coach was one of his best days)
#2) Seth Curry wouldn't be here.
#3) We lost far more players in the RD era (David Dees, anyone?)
#4) If BJ were still here, we'd really have a logjam at guard.
#5) Even if we beat VMI (and we were more than a BJ Jenkins away from that), there's no guaranteeing that we would have been able to beat Radford. Sure, we beat them on their home court, but so did they.
#6) It doesn't matter anyways because what's done is done, and RM is our coach.

If you can't deal with that, then seriously, take your Hater-Ade elsewhere. We'll see you when the bandwagon comes back into town.

First of all I am not the one who interjected RD into this thread. Secondly maybe if Anthony Smith would have had RD he might have been the POY instead of just preseason POY. Who knows who we would have had on the roster but there would have been talent. When RD had an opening on staff he went and got a former Big East and ACC assistant.

Look we got sold a big ponzi scheme. "Need a minority coach...moving to big time...trash those who sacrificed to build the program...spin everything as positive...attack those who disagree....call unethical "D1 business"....spend $$$ everywhere as a perception of progress...rewrite history to downplay accomplishments and focus on negatives....all present problems or blowouts in big games justify as nature of the beast."

In the end we are on to year 3

Nothing in this last post about Brolin. Coulda, woulda, shoulda, it's done, it's in the past. PLEASE move on. Let. It. Go.

[BJWilliams]

Dude, you're clinically insane. You want the truth? Here it is:

BJ Jenkins left because he was lied to in his recruiting process. He was told he could keep his dreads/braids and then was fined multiple times over his first semester for being out of hair code.

BJ Jenkins, on a recruiting trip, showed up at convo. He asked the coaching staff, "What is this?" Their response was that it was just something Liberty did occasionally. When BJ asked if he had to go to it they told him no he didn't.

BJ Jenkins wanted to have a "typical" college life.

BJ Jenkins didn't leave because of a current coach. BJ Jenkins didn't leave because of playing time. BJ Jenkins left because he hated Liberty and was not happy at all.


Brolin Floyd leaving is because of personal things. There are things going on in his life that take precedence over playing basketball. Those things in life happen. His leaving is completely, 100% non-basketball related. He's not being ran off. He's not leaving because of a coach. He has to take care of his life, and that's what he is choosing to do.


You say if RD was coach, Anthony would've been POY and not just pre-season POY. Apparently by that thinking, RD would've been able to control the fact that Anthony's daughter was born three months early and was in the hospital for a good majority of the season. RD would've been able to miraculously make that not happen. He would've miraculously been able to get Anthony to not worry about his infant daughter when she may have been struggling. The fact that he played as well as he did throughout the year with an infant daughter in the hospital is a credit to the character and integrity of Anthony Smith. To criticize a coach for him not winning POY, given the circumstances around it, is one of the most classless things I have ever read on this board.


You know what happened, from one side of the story, two years ago. You have no clue what's going on right now. You don't talk to players. You don't talk to coaches. You don't talk to administrators. You have taken the one side of the story you heard from a friend and took it as Gospel. You have not looked to see the other side of the story and then found the truth in the middle.

Post of the Year right there

[LUconn]

I don't think you know what a Ponzi scheme is.

[CMII]

Dude, you're clinically insane. You want the truth? Here it is:

BJ Jenkins left because he was lied to in his recruiting process. He was told he could keep his dreads/braids and then was fined multiple times over his first semester for being out of hair code.

BJ Jenkins, on a recruiting trip, showed up at convo. He asked the coaching staff, "What is this?" Their response was that it was just something Liberty did occasionally. When BJ asked if he had to go to it they told him no he didn't.

BJ Jenkins wanted to have a "typical" college life.

BJ Jenkins didn't leave because of a current coach. BJ Jenkins didn't leave because of playing time. BJ Jenkins left because he hated Liberty and was not happy at all.


Brolin Floyd leaving is because of personal things. There are things going on in his life that take precedence over playing basketball. Those things in life happen. His leaving is completely, 100% non-basketball related. He's not being ran off. He's not leaving because of a coach. He has to take care of his life, and that's what he is choosing to do.


You say if RD was coach, Anthony would've been POY and not just pre-season POY. Apparently by that thinking, RD would've been able to control the fact that Anthony's daughter was born three months early and was in the hospital for a good majority of the season. RD would've been able to miraculously make that not happen. He would've miraculously been able to get Anthony to not worry about his infant daughter when she may have been struggling. The fact that he played as well as he did throughout the year with an infant daughter in the hospital is a credit to the character and integrity of Anthony Smith. To criticize a coach for him not winning POY, given the circumstances around it, is one of the most classless things I have ever read on this board.


You know what happened, from one side of the story, two years ago. You have no clue what's going on right now. You don't talk to players. You don't talk to coaches. You don't talk to administrators. You have taken the one side of the story you heard from a friend and took it as Gospel. You have not looked to see the other side of the story and then found the truth in the middle.

BJ could have kept his dreads they just need to be trimmed. NO lies. But again dramatize any negative. BJ did not like McKay so he left. His AAU coach pulled all his support of great talent as well. RD was his #1 option and check out where the Progressive Christian Academy players went.

Of course Brolin isn't leaving over anything to do with the coach, it was obvious that you would spin and spin and spin.

[Hold My Own]

RD's my boy but it's all the drama that follows him that makes me glad he's gone



And yes, LUconn that N&A was very eye opening

[kel varson]

Dude, you're clinically insane. You want the truth? Here it is:

BJ Jenkins left because he was lied to in his recruiting process. He was told he could keep his dreads/braids and then was fined multiple times over his first semester for being out of hair code.

BJ Jenkins, on a recruiting trip, showed up at convo. He asked the coaching staff, "What is this?" Their response was that it was just something Liberty did occasionally. When BJ asked if he had to go to it they told him no he didn't.

BJ Jenkins wanted to have a "typical" college life.

BJ Jenkins didn't leave because of a current coach. BJ Jenkins didn't leave because of playing time. BJ Jenkins left because he hated Liberty and was not happy at all.


Brolin Floyd leaving is because of personal things. There are things going on in his life that take precedence over playing basketball. Those things in life happen. His leaving is completely, 100% non-basketball related. He's not being ran off. He's not leaving because of a coach. He has to take care of his life, and that's what he is choosing to do.


You say if RD was coach, Anthony would've been POY and not just pre-season POY. Apparently by that thinking, RD would've been able to control the fact that Anthony's daughter was born three months early and was in the hospital for a good majority of the season. RD would've been able to miraculously make that not happen. He would've miraculously been able to get Anthony to not worry about his infant daughter when she may have been struggling. The fact that he played as well as he did throughout the year with an infant daughter in the hospital is a credit to the character and integrity of Anthony Smith. To criticize a coach for him not winning POY, given the circumstances around it, is one of the most classless things I have ever read on this board.


You know what happened, from one side of the story, two years ago. You have no clue what's going on right now. You don't talk to players. You don't talk to coaches. You don't talk to administrators. You have taken the one side of the story you heard from a friend and took it as Gospel. You have not looked to see the other side of the story and then found the truth in the middle.

Post of the Year right there

Yes, great post SJ.

[SuperJon]

BJ could have kept his dreads they just need to be trimmed. NO lies. But again dramatize any negative. BJ did not like McKay so he left. His AAU coach pulled all his support of great talent as well. RD was his #1 option and check out where the Progressive Christian Academy players went.

Of course Brolin isn't leaving over anything to do with the coach, it was obvious that you would spin and spin and spin.

So BJ lied to me? BJ lied to his friends at this school as well? Yeah, I'm not buying that.

As for Brolin, you have no clue what went on with him off the basketball court while he was here. The truth is, I don't think anyone on this board knows 100% what went on (myself included). However, anyone around the program knows there was some personal things in his life that he needed to take care of. That doesn't mean he's a bad person or that he's doing things that are bad, it just means he has to take care of his life. Your life is more important than basketball. It's why Brew left early. Not everything has a conspiracy behind it. Some things just happen.

[Hold My Own]

You say if RD was coach, Anthony would've been POY and not just pre-season POY. Apparently by that thinking, RD would've been able to control the fact that Anthony's daughter was born three months early and was in the hospital for a good majority of the season. .

You forgot to add that the childs middle name would have been Randy

[Hold My Own]

Who's better David Dees or BF? At this stage?

[thepostman]

david dees, without a doubt...brolin could do things david couldn't do, but david was very, very good...i shake my head everytime I think about what might have been if he would have stuck around...

[jcmanson]

Who's better David Dees or BF? At this stage?

How could this even be in question? DD, go back at look at his stats. As much as I love LB, DD was the better all-around player.

[Ed Dantes]

Look we got sold a big ponzi scheme. "Need a minority coach...moving to big time...trash those who sacrificed to build the program...spin everything as positive...attack those who disagree....call unethical "D1 business"....spend $$$ everywhere as a perception of progress...rewrite history to downplay accomplishments and focus on negatives....all present problems or blowouts in big games justify as nature of the beast."

In the end we are on to year 3

"Need a minority coach" -- Weren't we looking at several coaches, some white, and McKay was the only one w/ head coaching experience?
"Moving to big time" -- we've been saying this for close to 40 years and has no bearing on the current discussion
"trash those who sacrificed..." -- You're awfully curmudgeony considering RD just didn't have a contract renewed, it's not like he was fired.
"spin everything as positive..." -- No, but when something is positive (beating UVA, beating George Mason, hanging tight in many games, have a young core" we recognize it
"call unethical 'D1 business'" -- More unethical than the recruitment of Dwight Brewington?
"spend $$$ everywhere" -- aren't we making money now? Didn't the athletic dep't have a $7 million shortfall years ago?
"rewrite history" -- you were the one re-writing history. Check my response on Jenkins.
"downplay accomplishments and focus on negatives" -- I advocated resigning Dunton. Pat Riley himself wouldn't have been able to take the worst team in the nation and have it win a conf. championship a year later. The only negatives I hear are coming from you, Mr. Haterade.
"blowouts in big games..." -- I said the VMI loss was a poorly coached game. I said McKay was outcoached... just like I said Dunton was outcoached when he lost to VMI in the opening round two years ago.
"...as nature of the beast." -- It'd be one thing if we didn't show improvement. We did. This was arguably one of the best teams we've ever fielded. I can't remember beating top-notch opponents, and staying close with others, at any other time in Liberty's history.

We won twenty games this year, with a team of freshman. If that doesn't give you a glimmer of hope for the future, then you're a fool.

By the way... do you even know what a Ponzi scheme is?

[Baldspot]

In the end we are on to year 3

Yea, can't wait for year three.

Year two of course included victories over George Mason, UVA , W&M and close losses to Clemson, DePaul and St Louis. And that with a bunch of freshmen in a league that got wins against Southeast and ACC schools.

Anyone wonder if CMII is actually RD? RD was reportedly let go for non-basketball reasons... Maybe the apple hasn't dropped too far from the tree.

[thepostman]

no...but I often wonder if RD knew what some of his "supporters" were saying that he would be ashamed of them

[SuperJon]

None of these guys are actually Coach Dunton. They just drag his name through the mud.

[Chris Lang]

haha...thats funny...tbgbg pretty much trashed coach mckay coaching style in a post that a lot of people disagreed with, but it turned into a great conversation because he was here posting during good times and bad giving credit where credit is due...you just come on here for the sole purpose to trash on the current coach to help your boy...which in turn makes people hate your boy...even people, like me, who actually liked the guy...I don't understand why you can't see that

We all have our own opinions. But when people shreik or write a pitiful newspaper article over a freshman "thinking" about leaving after a tough year then gloss over two very good players actually walking out of starting jobs as it was all the LU way then the inconsistency is glaring. BJ Jenkins who like Anthony Smith, as a soph averaged around double figures did not progress under the current regime he left. BJ Jenkins instead of a walkon might mean we are still playing, in a tournament that we get paid to be in not one we buy our way into. But hey a championship is just around the corner and now maybe everyone is one happy team or at least we have project it that way

I don't really care if you didn't like the "pitiful" article. The fact that a first-team all-conference player said publicly that he would have transferred had the old coach returned is newsworthy, plain and simple.

[SuperJon]

haha...thats funny...tbgbg pretty much trashed coach mckay coaching style in a post that a lot of people disagreed with, but it turned into a great conversation because he was here posting during good times and bad giving credit where credit is due...you just come on here for the sole purpose to trash on the current coach to help your boy...which in turn makes people hate your boy...even people, like me, who actually liked the guy...I don't understand why you can't see that

We all have our own opinions. But when people shreik or write a pitiful newspaper article over a freshman "thinking" about leaving after a tough year then gloss over two very good players actually walking out of starting jobs as it was all the LU way then the inconsistency is glaring. BJ Jenkins who like Anthony Smith, as a soph averaged around double figures did not progress under the current regime he left. BJ Jenkins instead of a walkon might mean we are still playing, in a tournament that we get paid to be in not one we buy our way into. But hey a championship is just around the corner and now maybe everyone is one happy team or at least we have project it that way

I don't really care if you didn't like the "pitiful" article. The fact that a first-team all-conference player said publicly that he would have transferred had the old coach returned is newsworthy, plain and simple.

And Chris doesn't need my backing, but he didn't even mention the old coach.

[flameshaw]

Dude, you're clinically insane. You want the truth? Here it is:

BJ Jenkins left because he was lied to in his recruiting process. He was told he could keep his dreads/braids and then was fined multiple times over his first semester for being out of hair code.

BJ Jenkins, on a recruiting trip, showed up at convo. He asked the coaching staff, "What is this?" Their response was that it was just something Liberty did occasionally. When BJ asked if he had to go to it they told him no he didn't.

BJ Jenkins wanted to have a "typical" college life.

BJ Jenkins didn't leave because of a current coach. BJ Jenkins didn't leave because of playing time. BJ Jenkins left because he hated Liberty and was not happy at all.


Brolin Floyd leaving is because of personal things. There are things going on in his life that take precedence over playing basketball. Those things in life happen. His leaving is completely, 100% non-basketball related. He's not being ran off. He's not leaving because of a coach. He has to take care of his life, and that's what he is choosing to do.


You say if RD was coach, Anthony would've been POY and not just pre-season POY. Apparently by that thinking, RD would've been able to control the fact that Anthony's daughter was born three months early and was in the hospital for a good majority of the season. RD would've been able to miraculously make that not happen. He would've miraculously been able to get Anthony to not worry about his infant daughter when she may have been struggling. The fact that he played as well as he did throughout the year with an infant daughter in the hospital is a credit to the character and integrity of Anthony Smith. To criticize a coach for him not winning POY, given the circumstances around it, is one of the most classless things I have ever read on this board.


You know what happened, from one side of the story, two years ago. You have no clue what's going on right now. You don't talk to players. You don't talk to coaches. You don't talk to administrators. You have taken the one side of the story you heard from a friend and took it as Gospel. You have not looked to see the other side of the story and then found the truth in the middle.

How do you really feel SJ?

Great post.

[inthebeginning]

haha...thats funny...tbgbg pretty much trashed coach mckay coaching style in a post that a lot of people disagreed with, but it turned into a great conversation because he was here posting during good times and bad giving credit where credit is due...you just come on here for the sole purpose to trash on the current coach to help your boy...which in turn makes people hate your boy...even people, like me, who actually liked the guy...I don't understand why you can't see that

We all have our own opinions. But when people shreik or write a pitiful newspaper article over a freshman "thinking" about leaving after a tough year then gloss over two very good players actually walking out of starting jobs as it was all the LU way then the inconsistency is glaring. BJ Jenkins who like Anthony Smith, as a soph averaged around double figures did not progress under the current regime he left. BJ Jenkins instead of a walkon might mean we are still playing, in a tournament that we get paid to be in not one we buy our way into. But hey a championship is just around the corner and now maybe everyone is one happy team or at least we have project it that way

I don't really care if you didn't like the "pitiful" article. The fact that a first-team all-conference player said publicly that he would have transferred had the old coach returned is newsworthy, plain and simple.

And I don't care if you care, it was a ptiful article and cast a poor light on Anthony Smith. Plus if he was going to transfer in 2006 but returned to play for that coach in 2007 you should get your dates straight. But the story probaly wouldn't be nearly as negative. Also a pretty good distraction from the real story Brolin Floyd did quit.

[Chris Lang]

Simple mistake on the date, and I apologize for that.

It didn't cast a poor light on Anthony Smith. Those were Anthony Smith's words. And he made it pretty easy to ask the question by putting it out there in the media guide.

I repeat: I have no axe to grind with Randy Dunton. It benefits me in no way to write stories trashing the man. But keep thinking that I sit around at night devising new ways to slam him and the old coaching staff. If you think I care that much, you're nuts.