[blwall1416]

The other problem I have is that even if Brolin had been out of bounds (which we all know he wasn't) isn't it still some kind of a foul to put an opponent in a headlock? I'd be interested in hearing from Haize or someone else who refs as to what is permitted or not in a dead ball situation after a violation has been called. It can't just be "no holds barred", but it sure looked like it Saturday night.

I didn't see the play, so if someone could describe it...........accurately.....I might be able to shed some light on the situation.

[blwall1416]

That intentional just seemed so inconsistent with not only the physicality of the previous 48 minutes of play but also inconsistent with every other basketball end-game situation ever played. That's really the only thing I'd like for refs to do. Be consistent and don't try to make some kind of statement at one team's expense.

I can assure you that no official WANTS to call an intentional foul during late game situational fouling. However, as I posted, Seth's play is almost word for word in the case book. It didn't help that he was at mid-court......table side....in front of everyone. That foul HAD to be called intentional.

[Hold My Own]

The intentional is the one call I really didnt have a problem with

[thepostman]

the only reason why i had a problem with it was because of how bad they were before that point...but it was intentional from my point of view anyways...

[DLP_Man]

As much as I hate (and am fearful) to say this, we are complaining so much because we lost in a close (until the last 1 minute) game that we really could have used in the standings to a rival team that we hate to lose to. Also, it was a very physical game. If we would have won, we probably would have said something about the refs, but not started an entire thread. I would even go as far as to say that maybe we would have had a lighthearted thread about the lights going out in the Vines Center. I guess what I am expressing is that the reaction regarding the refs is not so much about the job they did but because we lost the game. I'm not saying they did a good job, but that maybe we are making them out to be more of the scapegoat than they should be. It's almost poetic because we really shouldn't have won at High Point but we lost to Radford, a game we were in until the end. I'm not trying to encur anyone's wrath, I am just making an observation... and yes I wanted to throw my computer through the television at some of the calls

[SuperJon]

If they didn't call out of bounds on Brolin it's a completely different game. We're up 1 with under a minute to go right there. Imagine if they called the foul and he makes a free throw (not both, just one). Then the free throws at the end of the game to tie it put Radford down by one. It was that nature of the bad call and when it was that so many people are upset about.

[JMUDukes]

If they didn't call out of bounds on Brolin it's a completely different game. We're up 1 with under a minute to go right there. Imagine if they called the foul and he makes a free throw (not both, just one). Then the free throws at the end of the game to tie it put Radford down by one. It was that nature of the bad call and when it was that so many people are upset about.

He's right. Trust me, I'm a UREC Intramural Basketball ref here, I've seen one call change an entire game down the stretch. Refs are human.

[hype22]

I hate to see any team take a loss and the refs have a big influence on the outcome out the game.


It would be like a team losing by 9 taking 10 more free-throws in the last 1:30 of a game than the team winning especially when the game had been called loosely for the first 38 1/2 minutes.


just saying.

[Schfourteenteen]

It would be like a team losing by 9 take 10 more free-throws in the last 1:30 of a game than the team winning especially when the game had been called loosely for the first 38 1/2 minutes.

[jcmanson]

If they didn't call out of bounds on Brolin it's a completely different game. We're up 1 with under a minute to go right there. Imagine if they called the foul and he makes a free throw (not both, just one). Then the free throws at the end of the game to tie it put Radford down by one. It was that nature of the bad call and when it was that so many people are upset about.

You’re getting the end of regulation and the first OT mixed up. When Brolin stepped out of bounds/headlock that was with 11 seconds left in reg, and the game was tied at that point. RU then had 3 straight shots in those last 11 seconds that they missed which sent the game into OT. So, if Bro makes just one of the FT’s then RU either wins or loses on their last possession.

[DLP_Man]

I guess what I am saying is that if we played and did the thing that we should have done better, because we did do some things well, then we would not have had to worry about the call by the refs...

[flameshaw]

If they didn't call out of bounds on Brolin it's a completely different game. We're up 1 with under a minute to go right there. Imagine if they called the foul and he makes a free throw (not both, just one). Then the free throws at the end of the game to tie it put Radford down by one. It was that nature of the bad call and when it was that so many people are upset about.

You’re getting the end of regulation and the first OT mixed up. When Brolin stepped out of bounds/headlock that was with 11 seconds left in reg, and the game was tied at that point. RU then had 3 straight shots in those last 11 seconds that they missed which sent the game into OT. So, if Bro makes just one of the FT’s then RU either wins or loses on their last possession.

True, however the correct call would have been a flagrant/intentional foul with two free throws and us receiving the ball out of bounds after Brolin attempted the two FT's. IMHO

So in case he would have missed both FT's we still had a chance to win the game and Lurch would have fouled out of the game.

[Kolzilla41]

I guess what I am saying is that if we played and did the thing that we should have done better, because we did do some things well, then we would not have had to worry about the call by the refs...

IMO, there are only two others things we could have done. 1. Put gorilla glue on Brolin's hands and 2. Have one of the LUnatics chase TB around with a cap gun to light a fire under his rear. The only other option I could think of was to send Brolin and Ohman to the Blue Ridge Correctional facility so they could actually be "violated" in private, not with 6k plus in the Vines center.

[dompennix]

I guess what I am saying is that if we played and did the thing that we should have done better, because we did do some things well, then we would not have had to worry about the call by the refs...

IMO, there are only two others things we could have done. 1. Put gorilla glue on Brolin's hands and 2. Have one of the LUnatics chase TB around with a cap gun to light a fire under his rear. The only other option I could think of was to send Brolin and Ohman to the Blue Ridge Correctional facility so they could actually be "violated" in private, not with 6k plus in the Vines center.

[Fumblerooskies]

flamerbob...tell us how you REALLY feel...

[DLP_Man]

I guess what I am saying is that if we played and did the thing that we should have done better, because we did do some things well, then we would not have had to worry about the call by the refs...

IMO, there are only two others things we could have done. 1. Put gorilla glue on Brolin's hands and 2. Have one of the LUnatics chase TB around with a cap gun to light a fire under his rear. The only other option I could think of was to send Brolin and Ohman to the Blue Ridge Correctional facility so they could actually be "violated" in private, not with 6k plus in the Vines center.

Or, we could have made some of those very easy or open shots or played tighter D in the first half like we did in the second half or even hit one or two more free throws....

[Kolzilla41]

I guess what I am saying is that if we played and did the thing that we should have done better, because we did do some things well, then we would not have had to worry about the call by the refs...

IMO, there are only two others things we could have done. 1. Put gorilla glue on Brolin's hands and 2. Have one of the LUnatics chase TB around with a cap gun to light a fire under his rear. The only other option I could think of was to send Brolin and Ohman to the Blue Ridge Correctional facility so they could actually be "violated" in private, not with 6k plus in the Vines center.

Or, we could have made some of those very easy or open shots or played tighter D in the first half like we did in the second half or even hit one or two more free throws....

Or we could miss the sarcasm

[SuperJon]

Or, we could have made some of those very easy or open shots or played tighter D in the first half like we did in the second half or even hit one or two more free throws....

So we can blame ourselves for making mistakes but are required to neglect when the officials do? Yes, we could've done other things to get us out of the situation. However, they were either going to foul Brolin or he was going to dunk the ball in that situation. We put ourselves in the situation to win at the end of the game. The officials just took us out of that position with a terrible call.

[DLP_Man]

Or, we could have made some of those very easy or open shots or played tighter D in the first half like we did in the second half or even hit one or two more free throws....

So we can blame ourselves for making mistakes but are required to neglect when the officials do? Yes, we could've done other things to get us out of the situation. However, they were either going to foul Brolin or he was going to dunk the ball in that situation. We put ourselves in the situation to win at the end of the game. The officials just took us out of that position with a terrible call.

No, I do give a measure of blame to the officials. I don't see how the official, standing where he was and having the viewpoint he did, misses that call. I feel that there should be some administrative review regarding that. However, I'm not going to give all the blame to them and say that we would have won the game. Brolin only hit 1 of 3 FT's on the night and is 64% of the year (counting the Radford Game). There is no telling what could of happen. Yes, we should be upset at the officiating, but for it to seemingly be the sole focus on why we lost just seems to be incorrect.

[JMUDukes]

I hate to see any team take a loss and the refs have a big influence on the outcome out the game.


It would be like a team losing by 9 taking 10 more free-throws in the last 1:30 of a game than the team winning especially when the game had been called loosely for the first 38 1/2 minutes.


just saying.

[hurricane fan]

Believe it or not, but under those circumstances, that play was reviewable and the head ref didnt have the cajones to do it.

[DLP_Man]

Believe it or not, but under those circumstances, that play was reviewable and the head ref didnt have the cajones to do it.

Ugh, that gives me indigestion....

[flamesfan30]

Believe it or not, but under those circumstances, that play was reviewable and the head ref didnt have the cajones to do it.

that makes it so much worse.

[dompennix]

Believe it or not, but under those circumstances, that play was reviewable and the head ref didnt have the cajones to do it.

now that makes me mad

[coolhandluke]

Believe it or not, but under those circumstances, that play was reviewable and the head ref didnt have the cajones to do it.

Ugh, that gives me indigestion....

Take some Pepto!