[olldflame]

kingaling, i agree. Assistants are very important in recruiting. This has been my argument as to why Layer needs to stay. Our talent level has been pathetic, because the assistants couldnt recruit. This would be Dale's fault if he werent handcuffed and required to name Eaker his head assistant. These new assistants have proven they can bring in the talent, now its up to Dale to prove he can win with talent. He hasnt had a chance to win with talent.

I also like the fact that Dale fits in at the school well, and isnt using LU as a spring board. He deserves 10 years because of that.

I totally agree that our last 2 hires (Walden and Mance) have made us a much better recruiting staff. This class coming in is really their first opportunity to bear fruit. Last year we originally had only one schollie, and were locked into Kemrite, who I'm pretty sure was an Eaker recruit. Then we had one freed up when Taylor transferred, which we used to sign Retic. Hard to argue that was a bad move.

[R i]

When we were hiring a coach, I remember it was of upmost importance that we retain the Magnificant 7. It was assumed that we kept Eaker so we could keep those guys in place.(mainly jesse sanders, because he and his brother were Eaker guys) My guess is the AD made that call.

[jcmanson]

When we were hiring a coach, I remember it was of upmost importance that we retain the Magnificant 7. It was assumed that we kept Eaker so we could keep those guys in place.(mainly jesse sanders, because he and his brother were Eaker guys) My guess is the AD made that call.

By that time the Magnificent 7 had basically been whittled down to just Jesse.

And I have asked around, it sounds like Barber was asking applicants if they would keep Eaker if hired. I haven't heard anything to this point that it was a requirement.

[R i]

The fact that he was asking prospective coaches, makes it sound like a requirement to me. Seth was gone, Brolin was kicked out, Carter, Jesse, Bill, and the Smith guy were all still on board. It wasnt a bad play at the time, but Eaker just didnt work out. He didnt retain those players, and the talent he recruited in the next few years was D3. I know Dale has to answer for the terrible records, but Im not ready to say hes never going to work at LU. He coached a D3 talent team to a championship, has hired two great assistants to help bring in a better than average recruiting class, and continues to lead a program that has high grad rates and low reprimand rates.

[olldflame]

When we were hiring a coach, I remember it was of upmost importance that we retain the Magnificant 7. It was assumed that we kept Eaker so we could keep those guys in place.(mainly jesse sanders, because he and his brother were Eaker guys) My guess is the AD made that call.

By that time the Magnificent 7 had basically been whittled down to just Jesse.

And I have asked around, it sounds like Barber was asking applicants if they would keep Eaker if hired. I haven't heard anything to this point that it was a requirement.

The fact that he asked was a dead giveaway to any and all prospective applicants that JB wanted to retain him. Keep in mind, Eaker was a "2-fer" for the department because his wife was women's athletics coordinator. I don't know if JB would have actually ruled out a good applicant who said no, but I can see why most wouldn't want to take that chance, particularly since Jason was actually pretty highly regarded at the time.

When layer came McMasters, Weaver and Stephene were all still around along with Jesse, but of that group only Carter was still considered to be a guy who could play a major role. He had the talent IMHO, but not the desire.

[Lburglifer]

The fact that he was asking prospective coaches, makes it sound like a requirement to me. Seth was gone, Brolin was kicked out, Carter, Jesse, Bill, and the Smith guy were all still on board. It wasnt a bad play at the time, but Eaker just didnt work out. He didnt retain those players, and the talent he recruited in the next few years was D3. I know Dale has to answer for the terrible records, but Im not ready to say hes never going to work at LU. He coached a D3 talent team to a championship, has hired two great assistants to help bring in a better than average recruiting class, and continues to lead a program that has high grad rates and low reprimand rates.

What are you drinking....DL is the head coach....it is his program and it is lower than the toilet after 5 years. It has progressive got worst in last 3. We have wasted 5 years.... give him more time so what he can get to 7th place and win a game in conference tournament. No wonder the community runs from LU athletics.

[Purple Haize]

Fun Fact: Karcher was given an extension.....and his agent became AD

[BJWilliams]

Did I feel a draft or was LBL talking again?

[Lburglifer]

Did I feel a draft or was LBL talking again?

The draft is from the extinguished fire in the furnace. But I am sure those who have created the expensive basement dwelling have all the answers and you will continue to support.

[jinxy]

Layer cant sit on the schollies. The seat is hot. He will need as many options as he can get. I said it back in december that i really think that extension got him 2 years.

[Purple Haize]

Did I feel a draft or was LBL talking again?

The draft is from the extinguished fire in the furnace. But I am sure those who have created the expensive basement dwelling have all the answers and you will continue to support.

There's a basement in the Vines Center? That must be where the underground pool is at.

[BJWilliams]

Look LBL...you must not have passed reading comprehension in grade school or you would notice that I along with the vast majority of this board are more than a little frustrated with how things have gone, even when your love buddy, He Who Must Not Be Named, was patrolling the sidelines. We get it, to you Layer is the worst coach ever, JB is the demon spawn of Satan because he didnt renew the contract for your love buddy, and you secretly met with the entire community extending for a 100 mile radius, every single one of them, and they arent ever coming back unless you get what you want...the whole "community turning against the team" bit sounds like a frog legs story I read some years back.

What's even sadder is you have been asked direct questions by a few people on here and you dont even have the critical thinking skills and basic reading comprehension to answer a very closed ended question

[Purple Haize]

the whole "community turning against the team" bit sounds like a frog legs story I read some years back.

I hear they taste like chicken. Which may or may not be ironic......

[olldflame]

the whole "community turning against the team" bit sounds like a frog legs story I read some years back.

I hear they taste like chicken. Which may or may not be ironic......

You always hear this, but if so, why would anyone eat frog legs, since they cost about 10 times as much? (Unless, of course you are Jase Robertson and can go out and catch them in the swamp for free.)

I actually have enjoyed frog legs on numerous occasions, and IMHO they are tastier than chicken. Can't afford them anymore though.

[BJWilliams]

If Im remembering the story correctly, there was a man who was selling frog legs and a man ordered a bunch because the man said he heard a bunch of frogs. When he went to his stock pond to get the frog legs, he only came back one set of scrawny frog legs, and the man shrugged and told his very upset customer, "I guess that one was louder than I thought". Translation: sometimes the supposed cries of many are only the loud cries of a disgruntled one.

[thepostman]

This would be Dale's fault if he werent handcuffed and required to name Eaker his head assistant.

You keep saying this and it's the first I've heard it. Can anyone else vouch for that? And who required him to keep Eaker?

No, its crap. I don't believe that for a second.

[R i]

Our AD asks every prospective candidate if they will retain Eaker. Dale comes on and hires Eaker his head assistant. Jason didnt get that lucky. Look, Im not trying to give Dale a free pass for the past few seasons. I think with the changes he has made (assistant coaches) , recruits hes bringing in, and his apparently clean track record in terms of kids not getting booted from the school, I think he deserves the chance to correct the last few years. My point in bringing up Eaker is, he whiffed on this most recent senior class when he was recruiting, thats all.

[olldflame]

Our AD asks every prospective candidate if they will retain Eaker. Dale comes on and hires Eaker his head assistant. Jason didnt get that lucky. Look, Im not trying to give Dale a free pass for the past few seasons. I think with the changes he has made (assistant coaches) , recruits hes bringing in, and his apparently clean track record in terms of kids not getting booted from the school, I think he deserves the chance to correct the last few years. My point in bringing up Eaker is, he whiffed on this most recent senior class when he was recruiting, thats all.

I'm not 100% sure how much credit or blame Eaker gets for this year's senior class. He was definately involved with Sanders. JVP signed in Nov. of 2008, and was primarily a Brad Soucie recruit. I believe Burrus, who signed in the Spring shortly after Layer arrived, was a player he was following at Marquette, but one of our assistants was no doubt involved in getting him here. Then there are the 3 JUCO transfers, Marshall, Coronado and Roberts. I have no idea which coaches were the primary recruiters for these guys, but I think it is safe to say it was the head coach who made the decision to go after junior college players he felt could contribute right away.

[jcmanson]

I know Marshall was an Eaker recruit.

[ballcoach15]

I don't think it's a good idea to go after JUCCOs except in rare cases to fill a need for one positon. Get good players out of high school and you have them for 4 years. Not many one and done players in BSC.

[Chris Lang]

Eaker was in on Coronado as well.

[olldflame]

I know Marshall was an Eaker recruit.

In which case he recruited the 2 players who the consensus seems to be bear much of the responsibility for our problems this year. Of course they are also the 2 players who shot us to a championship a year ago. Blame or credit?

[olldflame]

I don't think it's a good idea to go after JUCCOs except in rare cases to fill a need for one positon. Get good players out of high school and you have them for 4 years. Not many one and done players in BSC.

Not many? LOL
Try none, and probably never.

I basically agree. Plan your future around HS recruits and fill in the gaps for those who don't work out with JUCOs. One a year is usually a good rule. IMHO 2 is OK in a year like this one when you have a bunch of schollies to fill.

[Chris Lang]

There are plenty of one and dones or two and dones in the Big South. They just end up going to other schools, not to the NBA.

[ballcoach15]

Good observations Chris.

When I posted the "one and done" I was just indirectly trying to be funny.