[SuperJon]

I was trying to go a little over the top at first hoping some would catch on (which they did) and then drop it back down to what they would normally do. I was trying to get the idea to watch the front row on the other side to see where things start. There were people who caught on, but the majority complained. I had no intentions on standing their the whole time. A couple minutes after I got there I was ready to move and was about to go move but we ended up staying for a minute or two.

It's kinda like a tv show. The first episode is always out there to rope you in, then it gets to normal after that. That's what I was going for. It didn't work.

[inthebeginning]

grm would like nothing more then for RMK to have a negative light cast on him. And there's a million different angles I could take from here, but honestly, none of them would be worth what ensues. I'm just glad that after two straight losses, grm's post count goes up and some other people decide to swing by. Always nice to see your smiling faces around here.

grm has always been diplomatic. I think he has a good fame of reference. and doesn't drink the JB koolaid.

[thepostman]

grm would like nothing more then for RMK to have a negative light cast on him. And there's a million different angles I could take from here, but honestly, none of them would be worth what ensues. I'm just glad that after two straight losses, grm's post count goes up and some other people decide to swing by. Always nice to see your smiling faces around here.

grm has always been diplomatic. I think he has a good fame of reference. and doesn't drink the JB koolaid.

YES!! inthebeginning is back...the guy who only shows up for bad losses....you are so predictable man

[ToTheLeft]

grm would like nothing more then for RMK to have a negative light cast on him. And there's a million different angles I could take from here, but honestly, none of them would be worth what ensues. I'm just glad that after two straight losses, grm's post count goes up and some other people decide to swing by. Always nice to see your smiling faces around here.

grm has always been diplomatic. I think he has a good fame of reference. and doesn't drink the JB koolaid.

No, he was spitting speculation from across the country about a coach everyone knows he wishes was never hired.

I watched Ritchie post game (In person, not on TV or "thru the radio")... there was no heated discussion with anyone. Him being "restrained" wasn't even a big deal. He was 3 steps from mid-court and didn't do anywhere near the VMI guys. He said something, sure, and then he went back to his team.

And post game, he shook Duggar's hand and made eye contact, and did the same with the other coaches and players in the line-up. Then they prayed and went to the locker room. Anyone saying anything beyond that is speculating, and considering grm's perspective, his speculation isn't really going to be very reliable in anyone's book.

[JDUB]

I have no problem with GRM. I agree that he has been diplomatic, and it is not bad to have a few critical people on board. If everyone is drinking the koolaid things can go off course quickly. Exhibit 1: after beating UVA people speculating about a NCAA tourney run assuming we would completely dominate every team during the season.

everyone is entitled to their opinion. as long as he is nice about it, I have no problem.

[ToTheLeft]

I dunno, I mean, grm isn't a villan or anything. I just completely disagree with how he feels about RMK, and he seems to make it evident in every post how he feels about him.

[JDUB]

like i said.. everyone has an opinion. a little disagreement keeps things fun

as long as everyone plays nice, if not then it is hilarious

[thepostman]

grm is here off and on no matter what...its people like inthebeginning that just show up after big losses that annoy the living crap out of me...

[JDUB]

Jesus loves him too

[grm]

"grm would like nothing more then for RMK to have a negative light cast on him. And there's a million different angles I could take from here, but honestly, none of them would be worth what ensues. I'm just glad that after two straight losses, grm's post count goes up and some other people decide to swing by. Always nice to see your smiling faces around here."

I try to stay half-way consistent on my post count, but this one has generated a whole bunch of interest. I have never made a negative post about Ritchie, other than the Jason incident, and I even offer him a pass on that. I have no problem with Ritchie whatsoever, I have never met him, I do not know him, and he does not know me. I wish him no ill will in any way.

Just to be lighthearted, I mentioned the "shirt untucked" thing - but only to be lighthearted. There is no motive on earth that I know of that I would have to be unkind to RMK, or to cast him in a negative light. I am not doing that right now, I have not done so in the past, and I see no reason why I would in the future. If he blew up the Vine Center, then I would probably be critical, but coaching-wise or person-wise, I have no criticism of him whatsoever, nor will I have. You can count on that.

(Sorry I left off the quotes in the original)

[ToTheLeft]

grm is here off and on no matter what...its people like inthebeginning that just show up after big losses that annoy the living crap out of me...

Agreed, I guess I might be a little harsh on grm but I have a lot of pride in this team and especially in Coach. I might not always agree with him, but I support him fully and it hits a nerve when someone doesn't...

[paradox]

It appears that RM didnt have a problem with Duggar at all but rather Jason and his celebrating after each 3 with the lead they had

I was near the bench area and it is my"opinion" that RM was upset at Duggar. I really can't say that i blame him. I would tend to believe that a 40-point lead with four minutes left might be insurmountable. However, the starters stayed in and the three kept flying. The classy thing to do would have been to pull the starters and take your foot off the gas, however; there is no rule in the book that says you have to be classy to win a basketball game. The question is, how would VMI have reacted if the situation had been reversed? I think that answer is obvious. Be that as it may, you still have to play the game and by that point the LU players had basicaly checked out and were taking a good old fashioned beating. RM also had words with one of the VMI assitant coaches during the handshake, but I couldn't tell what that was all about. As a Liberty fan i didn't like the way the whole situation came down, but that is the nature of sports. At some point maybe the favor will be returned.

Ummm- interesting to note that Anthony Smith played 39 minutes last night (which he should on senior night), Curry played 36- also there were 4 LU starters in the game vs 2 of VMI's with just under 4 minutes to play after the final media timeout- VMI scored all of 5 whole points the final 4:15 of play (they had scored 19 the previous ~4 minutes) & only 2 3 pointers were attempted by VMI the final 4+ mins of the game- I think it's clear that they took their foot off the gas otherwise this would have been a 50+ game-

Some of you need to quit this they showed us up stuff.. if VMI did show you up it was more a reflection of the 35-36 minutes of action that built the 40 point lead, it certainly wasn't the final 4-5 minutes putting the Flames out of their misery last night- man some of you are just full of excuses & gotta blame someone else right??

I'm quite sure RMK didn't like that VMI was over 100 points with more than 5 mins to play, but I can't see how anyone including the fans or RMK could look today at the numbers/stats the final 5 minutes and possibly think that VMI was pouring it on- that's just an emotional response & clearly not the way it played out in reality... Objectivity folks try some..

Thanks for the "objective" "detatched" statistical perspective. Very nice.

However, from a more "subjective" dare I say personal point of view, I understand McKay's response to what VMI was doing. At what point do you slow it down and rest the starters? Some may say that VMI didn't want to kill the momentum, and that's understandable if this would have been a tourney game. I think that VMI somehow forgot that the tourney starts next week. They can call it momentum if they want, but Coach McKay has every right to view this as an utter lack of respect. This usually isn't done when a bigger game between the two teams may be just around the corner. But apparently, they think we're gonna either get elimated in the opening round or we're gonna fall to the 4th seed. Either way, I can't wait for a rematch. Disrepect a bad team, and you're asking for trouble, and gaurenteed thier best effort in the rematch. We are hardly a bad team with Jesse out there and I don't think that its too subjective of a claim to say that McKay is a pretty darn good coach. When Jesse gets back in there, I think that this team may develop a collective chip on its shoulder. And I don't think that McKay's gonna let them forget how it got there.

May the best man win.

[JDUB]

for what its worth, i laughed at the shirt untucked thing

[ToTheLeft]

Sorry grm... just went back and looked thru a good amount of your posts and I didn't see anything about RMK. Some stuff about JB, sure, but I guess that made me lump you in with itb and the other RMK doubters. My apologies...

Just take everything I said and direct it at inthebeginning, and we'll be fine.

[grm]

for what its worth, i laughed at the shirt untucked thing

Good - ...& no hard feelings to "To the Left."

[thepostman]

Jesus loves him too

true..but I'm not Jesus...haha

[kingaling42]

I was near the bench area and it is my"opinion" that RM was upset at Duggar. I really can't say that i blame him. I would tend to believe that a 40-point lead with four minutes left might be insurmountable. However, the starters stayed in and the three kept flying. The classy thing to do would have been to pull the starters and take your foot off the gas, however; there is no rule in the book that says you have to be classy to win a basketball game. The question is, how would VMI have reacted if the situation had been reversed? I think that answer is obvious. Be that as it may, you still have to play the game and by that point the LU players had basicaly checked out and were taking a good old fashioned beating. RM also had words with one of the VMI assitant coaches during the handshake, but I couldn't tell what that was all about. As a Liberty fan i didn't like the way the whole situation came down, but that is the nature of sports. At some point maybe the favor will be returned.

Ummm- interesting to note that Anthony Smith played 39 minutes last night (which he should on senior night), Curry played 36- also there were 4 LU starters in the game vs 2 of VMI's with just under 4 minutes to play after the final media timeout- VMI scored all of 5 whole points the final 4:15 of play (they had scored 19 the previous ~4 minutes) & only 2 3 pointers were attempted by VMI the final 4+ mins of the game- I think it's clear that they took their foot off the gas otherwise this would have been a 50+ game-

Some of you need to quit this they showed us up stuff.. if VMI did show you up it was more a reflection of the 35-36 minutes of action that built the 40 point lead, it certainly wasn't the final 4-5 minutes putting the Flames out of their misery last night- man some of you are just full of excuses & gotta blame someone else right??

I'm quite sure RMK didn't like that VMI was over 100 points with more than 5 mins to play, but I can't see how anyone including the fans or RMK could look today at the numbers/stats the final 5 minutes and possibly think that VMI was pouring it on- that's just an emotional response & clearly not the way it played out in reality... Objectivity folks try some..

Thanks for the "objective" "detatched" statistical perspective. Very nice.

However, from a more "subjective" dare I say personal point of view, I understand McKay's response to what VMI was doing. At what point do you slow it down and rest the starters? Some may say that VMI didn't want to kill the momentum, and that's understandable if this would have been a tourney game. I think that VMI somehow forgot that the tourney starts next week. They can call it momentum if they want, but Coach McKay has every right to view this as an utter lack of respect. This usually isn't done when a bigger game between the two teams may be just around the corner. But apparently, they think we're gonna either get elimated in the opening round or we're gonna fall to the 4th seed. Either way, I can't wait for a rematch. Disrepect a bad team, and you're asking for trouble, and gaurenteed thier best effort in the rematch. We are hardly a bad team with Jesse out there and I don't think that its too subjective of a claim to say that McKay is a pretty darn good coach. When Jesse gets back in there, I think that this team may develop a collective chip on its shoulder. And I don't think that McKay's gonna let them forget how it got there.

May the best man win.

I don't personally agree with the theory but there are many coaches (most notably Roy Williams at UNC) who subscribe to the theory that the losing team should conceed with subbing their starters out first- they feel that the team up by 40 or just out of range shouldn't further disrespect the losing team to also be the first team to put the 2nd/3rd stringers in the game- Recall when Tyler Z got hurt for UNC earlier in the year as case in point for why I disagree with the thought as it endanggers your teams players when the game doesn't matter & players are moving at half speed- people get hurt that way..

With that said- why was Curry still in the game folks?? Padding his stats some perhaps?? There's really no reason for that either since the focus is on VMI's starters- especially considering the minutes that you all talk about your players logging & it's the end of the year with a game clearly out of reach.. I understand that Smith has earned the right to play 39 minutes of the game & be taken out to an ovation of his teammates, students, & peers- I agree with that completely & respect his career at Liberty- he certainly merits it- but you had 4 starters in the game down 40- VMI scored 5 more points- that's it!! Did you expect them to just take shot clock violations every 35 seconds?? Kids want to play- even the walk-ons like to score & if the roles were reversed teh LUnatics probably would've been chanting for some scrub to come in & hit the only 3 of his career or something.. it's not a lack of class for the kids to play 40 minutes of basketball just because LU didn't get out of the dorms to show up for this game..

Guaranteed their best effort in the rematch??? With tourney implications on the line & playing at home for the 2 seed- I would have thought that would be enough motivation- you think they needed this blow out (or the dramatized over-reaction you guys are fabricating) to overcome VMI if they meet again?? That's pretty sad...

[JDUB]

exactly the point... the LUnatics would be chanting for a SCRUB to come in. Didn't see many of those last night from either team.

We should have pulled the starters to protect them from injury and fatigue, since they play basically the whole game every game. And since they weren't putting up an effort anyway.

[dompennix]

i was sitting around alot of vmi fans in the corner behind the vmi bench, me and my family were the only liberty fans to stand up after anything liberty did, and i stood up and clapped after every shot we hit. I tried to get some of the 'fans' around me to get louder but they did nothing but barely clap

[Mo]

It appears that RM didnt have a problem with Duggar at all but rather Jason and his celebrating after each 3 with the lead they had

I was near the bench area and it is my"opinion" that RM was upset at Duggar. I really can't say that i blame him. I would tend to believe that a 40-point lead with four minutes left might be insurmountable. However, the starters stayed in and the three kept flying. The classy thing to do would have been to pull the starters and take your foot off the gas, however; there is no rule in the book that says you have to be classy to win a basketball game. The question is, how would VMI have reacted if the situation had been reversed? I think that answer is obvious. Be that as it may, you still have to play the game and by that point the LU players had basicaly checked out and were taking a good old fashioned beating. RM also had words with one of the VMI assitant coaches during the handshake, but I couldn't tell what that was all about. As a Liberty fan i didn't like the way the whole situation came down, but that is the nature of sports. At some point maybe the favor will be returned.

You don't have to look far back into the past to see how we react to teams running up the score on us. It's not like we're all that familiar with a lead that size with any of our teams. But it's the same with every fan base; some are sensitive about it, others completely insensitive.

Were I coaching, I'd never run up the score. But then you take a coach like Spurrier--if anyone tries to take it easy on him, he doesn't understand why. He's almost insulted by it.

[dompennix]

Now we see what happens when Seth passes more

[Mo]

It appears that RM didnt have a problem with Duggar at all but rather Jason and his celebrating after each 3 with the lead they had

I was near the bench area and it is my"opinion" that RM was upset at Duggar. I really can't say that i blame him. I would tend to believe that a 40-point lead with four minutes left might be insurmountable. However, the starters stayed in and the three kept flying. The classy thing to do would have been to pull the starters and take your foot off the gas, however; there is no rule in the book that says you have to be classy to win a basketball game. The question is, how would VMI have reacted if the situation had been reversed? I think that answer is obvious. Be that as it may, you still have to play the game and by that point the LU players had basicaly checked out and were taking a good old fashioned beating. RM also had words with one of the VMI assitant coaches during the handshake, but I couldn't tell what that was all about. As a Liberty fan i didn't like the way the whole situation came down, but that is the nature of sports. At some point maybe the favor will be returned.

According to Roanoke Times article ( http://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/wb/195829 ) Duggar said "As soon as he would have taken his starters out, we would have taken ours out". Sounds like an 8-yr-old "YOU say Uncle first". Whatever, it was beyond ugly at that point.

Did you also read the part where he mentioned that a D-3 team blew us away earlier this season when played our subs against their starters late?

[LCA&LU Mom]

I was near the bench area and it is my"opinion" that RM was upset at Duggar. I really can't say that i blame him. I would tend to believe that a 40-point lead with four minutes left might be insurmountable. However, the starters stayed in and the three kept flying. The classy thing to do would have been to pull the starters and take your foot off the gas, however; there is no rule in the book that says you have to be classy to win a basketball game. The question is, how would VMI have reacted if the situation had been reversed? I think that answer is obvious. Be that as it may, you still have to play the game and by that point the LU players had basicaly checked out and were taking a good old fashioned beating. RM also had words with one of the VMI assitant coaches during the handshake, but I couldn't tell what that was all about. As a Liberty fan i didn't like the way the whole situation came down, but that is the nature of sports. At some point maybe the favor will be returned.

According to Roanoke Times article ( http://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/wb/195829 ) Duggar said "As soon as he would have taken his starters out, we would have taken ours out". Sounds like an 8-yr-old "YOU say Uncle first". Whatever, it was beyond ugly at that point.

Did you also read the part where he mentioned that a D-3 team blew us away earlier this season when played our subs against their starters late?

Nope, didn't see it. I must be blind, as I re-read the article and still don't see it.

[LCA&LU Mom]

But I did find this:

'Minding' the Keydets
VMI's Duggar Baucom enlists a different sort of 'head coach.'
By Randy King
Saturday, February 21, 2009

"Not only are the Keydets suddenly winning a bunch of games, they now have a California-based hypnotherapist who wears a diamond earring and blonde-tipped locks as part of their inner fold. " http://www.roanoke.com/sports/college/wb/195447

No wonder they beat the crap out of us last night, they've been hypnotized. They're channeling Michael Jordan for crying out loud.

[paradox]

Ummm- interesting to note that Anthony Smith played 39 minutes last night (which he should on senior night), Curry played 36- also there were 4 LU starters in the game vs 2 of VMI's with just under 4 minutes to play after the final media timeout- VMI scored all of 5 whole points the final 4:15 of play (they had scored 19 the previous ~4 minutes) & only 2 3 pointers were attempted by VMI the final 4+ mins of the game- I think it's clear that they took their foot off the gas otherwise this would have been a 50+ game-

Some of you need to quit this they showed us up stuff.. if VMI did show you up it was more a reflection of the 35-36 minutes of action that built the 40 point lead, it certainly wasn't the final 4-5 minutes putting the Flames out of their misery last night- man some of you are just full of excuses & gotta blame someone else right??

I'm quite sure RMK didn't like that VMI was over 100 points with more than 5 mins to play, but I can't see how anyone including the fans or RMK could look today at the numbers/stats the final 5 minutes and possibly think that VMI was pouring it on- that's just an emotional response & clearly not the way it played out in reality... Objectivity folks try some..

Thanks for the "objective" "detatched" statistical perspective. Very nice.

However, from a more "subjective" dare I say personal point of view, I understand McKay's response to what VMI was doing. At what point do you slow it down and rest the starters? Some may say that VMI didn't want to kill the momentum, and that's understandable if this would have been a tourney game. I think that VMI somehow forgot that the tourney starts next week. They can call it momentum if they want, but Coach McKay has every right to view this as an utter lack of respect. This usually isn't done when a bigger game between the two teams may be just around the corner. But apparently, they think we're gonna either get elimated in the opening round or we're gonna fall to the 4th seed. Either way, I can't wait for a rematch. Disrepect a bad team, and you're asking for trouble, and gaurenteed thier best effort in the rematch. We are hardly a bad team with Jesse out there and I don't think that its too subjective of a claim to say that McKay is a pretty darn good coach. When Jesse gets back in there, I think that this team may develop a collective chip on its shoulder. And I don't think that McKay's gonna let them forget how it got there.

May the best man win.

I don't personally agree with the theory but there are many coaches (most notably Roy Williams at UNC) who subscribe to the theory that the losing team should conceed with subbing their starters out first- they feel that the team up by 40 or just out of range shouldn't further disrespect the losing team to also be the first team to put the 2nd/3rd stringers in the game- Recall when Tyler Z got hurt for UNC earlier in the year as case in point for why I disagree with the thought as it endanggers your teams players when the game doesn't matter & players are moving at half speed- people get hurt that way..

With that said- why was Curry still in the game folks?? Padding his stats some perhaps?? There's really no reason for that either since the focus is on VMI's starters- especially considering the minutes that you all talk about your players logging & it's the end of the year with a game clearly out of reach.. I understand that Smith has earned the right to play 39 minutes of the game & be taken out to an ovation of his teammates, students, & peers- I agree with that completely & respect his career at Liberty- he certainly merits it- but you had 4 starters in the game down 40- VMI scored 5 more points- that's it!! Did you expect them to just take shot clock violations every 35 seconds?? Kids want to play- even the walk-ons like to score & if the roles were reversed teh LUnatics probably would've been chanting for some scrub to come in & hit the only 3 of his career or something.. it's not a lack of class for the kids to play 40 minutes of basketball just because LU didn't get out of the dorms to show up for this game..

Guaranteed their best effort in the rematch??? With tourney implications on the line & playing at home for the 2 seed- I would have thought that would be enough motivation- you think they needed this blow out (or the dramatized over-reaction you guys are fabricating) to overcome VMI if they meet again?? That's pretty sad...

No, LU shouldn't need added motivation for the tourney, but now they have added motivation for the tourney, courtesy of VMI. And with that I'm glad. Again, VMI must be pretty confident that they won't see LU again.

As far as starters go, VMI pretty much stayed with that eight man rotation until the end. Perhaps, that's why Curry & Smith stayed in for as long as they did. Just maybe, possibly, this got under McKay's skin a little. Ya think?

And yes, there are ways to slow things down a little bit, run plays, get some playing time from your bench, and still try to score, and play competively without being disrespectful to your opponent.

Going into the tourney, I viewed VMI as the team to beat. And I still do, unless they cross paths with LU.

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