[paradox]

Can ANYONE make a LOGICAL case for keeping RD at this point (meaning more than a one year extension)?

In order for Dunton to get more than a one year extension, he'd probally have to win at least a couple more Big South titles, and move this team up near the top 100, or make the NCAA's and win a game or two. In all liklihood, Winthrop walks away with the Big South this year. So, as-suming that RD gets his one year extention, what happens beyond that will be predicated upon this teams success as defined by the adminstration. He may be looking at a succession of one year deals until certain goals are reached or some level of stability is established.

[LUconn]

Can ANYONE make a LOGICAL case for keeping RD at this point (meaning more than a one year extension)?

Easy

1. 5 years is the minimum amount of time you'd give a coach
2. Coaching consistancy is high on the program building importance list
3. He's shown he can win the Big South
4. He's shown he can produce a team that can compete in the upper echelon of the Big South for more than 1 fluke season.
5. He's brought in some big time talent

You can argue against any of those but if I told you we coudl bring in a coach with the above resume, I think you'd give him a long hard look....








....That's what she said.

[jmdickens]

Steve Lavin fits nicely....but we can't get him.....

[SuperJon]

4. He's shown he can produce a team that can compete in the upper echelon of the Big South for more than 1 fluke season.
5. He's brought in some big time talent

If we finish in the bottom half of the league this year, would it show that his one bad season was not a "fluke season" just as his good seasons weren't "fluke seasons?"

If we finish in the bottom half of the league this year, what does it say about that big talent he brings in?

Where is the cutoff?

[jmdickens]

Wins should be the cutoff.....they decide how the team is doing

[SuperJon]

Wins alone or wins in relation to the conference?

[jmdickens]

hahaha....it should be wins in general....but, if we played in the championship game every season and we were in the top 2, then the conference record would be the cutoff

[SuperJon]

Ok, this year, for this coach, should we cut it off at conference wins or wins in general?

I ask this because we could win 17 games overall and only be 10-4 in conference. Is that acceptable for us?

Do we count only wins against Division I opponents?

You gotta be specific.


(Edit: I realized my original math was wrong so I changed it)

[jmdickens]

D-1 wins
Conference Record also means home and away......what is that record??
Also, conference tourney

SJ, If it were my decision(a good thing it isn't).....overall record would be most important to me

[SuperJon]

Ok, so we know your criteria, I wonder what everyone else says.

[jmdickens]

how many players have left or have been asked to leave should be something to keep in mind.....we have enough for a football team

[PAmedic]

well, somebody DID say something about starting a JV team

[thepostman]

I don't think the D2 wins should count...you schedule D2 teams for exhibition games, not freaking regular season games..I understand where he was coming from doing it, but I never agreed with it..so those should not count in the win total...to me no less then 10-4 in conference and the big south championship game...I just don't see a reason why we shouldn't be in that game..if somebody could give me a reason why we don't have the talent to make it be my guest

so if you take the D2 wins away our record is 4-10, 1-2 in conference, so with the 10-4 record in conference as my expectation for this team and the talent we have that means going 9-2 the rest of the way in conference(I don't know if I have much faith in our team, but I think with the talent we have these should be our expectations)....there is the bracket buster game which is impossible to predict since we don't know who we are playing, so that is not going in my final record tally

14-12
Playing in the conference championship game

the 14-12 record isn't that great, but if we show we can be a top 2 team in conference Randy keeps his job...

this has been long, and I am willing to bet nobody will read it all

[SuperJon]

I did.

[thepostman]

or you just read the last sentence...kidding

I am sure people will read it, just not give their opinion on it

[PAmedic]

this has been long, and I am willing to bet nobody will read it all

I did as well, and judging by the team performance thus far- you may be just a wee optimistic. But I hope you prove to be correct.

[thepostman]

that is not what i am saying WILL happen, I am saying that is what NEEDS to happen in my opinion for RD to keep his job

my opinion of what will happen is much more depressing

[SuperJon]

He has reasonable expectations. That's what we should expect each year. Will we get it this year? Not unless we get a miracle.

[thepostman]

exactly...we have money and resources to make this a successful big south team...there is no reason with the talent we have had come through here the time I have been here why we should be at least in the top 3 every year and battling for the big south championship...most of us aren't expecting miracles, just consistency

and by consistency I mean the good kind....we are consistent...just not in the way we want

[paradox]

My guess is that we'll have a sub .500 overall record, and we'll be a 3,4, or 5 seed in the conference tourney. If we grab the 3 seed, then we have a realistic shot at playing in the title game because we'll be able to avoid WU until the final.

Even if we end up finishing at 4 or 5, my presumption is that Randy will be back to coach the Flames again next year, however, the expectations will be much higher.

[PAmedic]

exactly...we have money and resources to make this a successful big south team...

EXACTLY- You are dead on there. I couldn't agree more- that's what we were all screaming about during the last few FB seasons as well- and you see the results of spending a bit of money.

Even if we end up finishing at 4 or 5, my presumption is that Randy will be back to coach the Flames again next year, however, the expectations will be much higher.

gotta somewhat disagree - though I really hope Coach can get these guys going yet this year- I don't think he's back if we aren't at LEAST a close #2. I hope I hope I hope he does and we are.

[Purple Haize]

Can ANYONE make a LOGICAL case for keeping RD at this point (meaning more than a one year extension)?

In order for Dunton to get more than a one year extension, he'd probally have to win at least a couple more Big South titles, and move this team up near the top 100, or make the NCAA's and win a game or two. In all liklihood, Winthrop walks away with the Big South this year. So, as-suming that RD gets his one year extention, what happens beyond that will be predicated upon this teams success as defined by the adminstration. He may be looking at a succession of one year deals until certain goals are reached or some level of stability is established.

Ok, I guess the whole LOGICAL concept escaped you on this one.
He is on the contract year. You are talking about a one year extension. How exactly can he win "at least a couple of Big South titles" in that time frame?
LOGICALLY he would need more than one year to win that many. At least in my math.

[paradox]

Haize:

Once again, let me help you out with that comprehension thing.

I actually said that he may be looking at a succesion of one year deals until things are clearly on a higher level and winning the Big South next year may not be enough. He may need to do more than that, which logic would presuppose would take more than one year. Also, a succesion of one year deals would presuppose more than one.

I'm sorry Haize, but it's one thing to disagree with someone, but this is just getting silly now.
The constant parsing of words because you disagree is kinda.....

[Purple Haize]

DOX, I am just quoting you. Not parsing anything.
"In order for Dunton to get more than a one year extension" - Don't see anything that says a succession of one year deals there. Now if you make a case that he deserves a one year extension that would be one thing.
Now if you are saying it would take a few one year deals and during those one year re ups than I would agree that for a more long term deal he would need some BSC rings.
Don't blame me for typing!!! (GMTM doesn't )

[Libertine]

But what coach in his right mind would sign a series of one-year extensions? And what admin that's trying to build a solid program would keep handing them out?