[belcherboy]

This just gives me more hope for an upset championship in BSC tourney. WOW! Wouldn't it be awesome to see Liberty in the NCAA play in game?? I'm going to stop right now, because all I will do is get my hopes up and be even more disappointed if they don't do it.

With Liberty beating WU, the BCS Tourney can go to anyone and ought to be fun this year!!

[Hold My Own]

not to mention the hornets nest that we just kicked...and we may have to go inside that nest to play our next game!

[belcherboy]

That win was GREAT! I'll guarantee ya that we lit a FIRE under WUs' collective rear end though- I'd bet they don't lose again all year and may even go 2 rounds into the tourney after that loss. You wanna talk about motivation! and they're a very solid team to begin w/ (as much as I hate to admit that) We probably just made them killers!

No WAY!! If Winthrop wins the Big South Tourney, they probably just guaranteed themselves a 14-15 seed with the loss to Liberty. They won't beat a 2 or 3 seed. I would would be pulling for an upset if they could have pulled 12-13 seed, but I don't believe they can achieve that now.

[jcmanson]

Yes there is a chance we have to win the tourney, but I'll be pulling for someone other than Winthrop to get the top seed because they wil be ready for revenge if we played them.

[Hold My Own]

I tell you what, If I could have someone OTHER than LU in the Big Dance, I'd love to see it be WU and make a run to the Sweet 16....we have now put ourselves in a situation where we look better with the more success they have

But I wouldnt dismiss a WU run...keep in mind what they can do when they are clicking....look at who they beat and played TOUGH earlier in the season....thats a good team and the same team ESPN had articles about and Polls about

[belcherboy]

I tell you what, If I could have someone OTHER than LU in the Big Dance, I'd love to see it be WU and make a run to the Sweet 16....we have now put ourselves in a situation where we look better with the more success they have

But I wouldnt dismiss a WU run...keep in mind what they can do when they are clicking....look at who they beat and played TOUGH earlier in the season....thats a good team and the same team ESPN had articles about and Polls about

C'mon now, are you telling me they can beat a top 8 team? More than likely they are a 15 seed with the losses in the Big South (espeically after the Liberty loss). Even so, I wouldn't think they could beat a top 12 team. There best shot this year was playing a 12 or 13 seed. I can't imagine that happens now.

(I say could, they could beat anyone, but the odds of them beating a top 8 or 12 ranked team are just astronomical IMO)

[Hold My Own]

about as unlikely as us beating WU

no but i said I'd LOVE to see that not, I think it can happen or it will happen...I'd hate for someone to sleep on that team though, they don't just hand out RPI's in the top 30...but they just aren't consistent enough to deserve it, but in their moments of brilliance they can play like they belong

[belcherboy]

about as unlikely as us beating WU

no but i said I'd LOVE to see that not, I think it can happen or it will happen...I'd hate for someone to sleep on that team though, they don't just hand out RPI's in the top 30...but they just aren't consistent enough to deserve it, but in their moments of brilliance they can play like they belong

Well I would take Liberty over WU all day long if my other choice was betting WU can beat teams like Ohio State, Illinois, Texas, Gonzaga, and Iowa (all projected 2 and 3 seeds).

Winthrop really blew it this year in terms of giving the Big South a shot at a first round win. I think they had the team to win a game or two, but losses in the Big South probably just blew that opportunity out of the water. Who knows, maybe they meet an overated team and knock them off?!?!? Of course they got to win the Big South Tourney first....which now is clearly in Liberty's hands after the win last night!!

[LUconn]

Here's what's better for us in general if we don't win the tourney. WU wins the regular season and gets shipped to the NIT via a loss in the BS tourney. Whatever team wins that goes to the NCAA's. 2 BS teams in post season play makes for more exposure for BS. It doesn't directly help us but I think it's the best case scenario since WU probably just wrapped up a 15 seed and has no shot at beating a 2.

[Realist]

One upset win and you guys go from fire our coach to we're going to win the tourney? As I told all the WU crazies, don't go to the extremes.

As for seeding, WU is still most likely a 14 seed if they win the BS tourney. You have to remember the conference is rated higher this year than ever, and WU has a bigger marquee win than they had last year. I would put good money on a 14 seed unless they lose the last 2 and then somehow win the BS tourney. That scenario may get them a 15.

As for playing with the big boys, I think Memphis and Gonzaga can attest they will have their hands full. I have no doubt they can win those games, but it would be nice to see them not play to the level of competition that seems to be the status quo this year.

[PAmedic]

I agree w/ REALIST: Memphis and Gonzaga will have their hands full when they play the big boys; ie: real competition like UConn and/or Duke.

[LUconn]

I don't think that's what he was saying. I think he meant that Memphis and GU would have their hands full with WU. As for our crazies, the real ones were the chicken littles calling for heads to roll. Everybody else knew the team wasn't as bad as their record. Now that they've beaten the best team in our conference, it's just launched everybody else into a euphoria of "well this proves that we can play with everybody". Winning the tourney is a long shot since it would be 100% on the road, but then again, I have yet to see this team play a home game this year. They're used to being on their own.

[Hold My Own]

Also lets not lose sight that I said this is a "What If" what the best "What If" scernio is

Gotta admit LUConn that's a better scernio than a one in done for someone at the NCAA

[PAmedic]

LUconn check your PM

[Hold My Own]

Is it safe to say now that the guy can coach?

I just want some of the guests to say good job or they played great, just give me something...the MBB supporters stuck to their guns when the season was dreadful and knew they were correct that this is the right man at the right time....not that one win changes EVERYTHING...but it was one of the bigger wins in the programs history....I was just hoping the guests wont disappear until the next sign of weakness, just be consistent

[LUconn]

...but it was one of the bigger wins in the programs history....

woah woah, let's not go crazy. It was our biggest win this season. And I think it's significance ends there unless it's the start of a winning streak that brings us in the 2nd round of the NCAAs. Anything more is giving Winthrop way to much clout.

[Hold My Own]

we've already went over this this is a Top 10 win and Just barely behind the UVA win (even though UVa had a worse RPI and WU was at 30 at one point)

[belcherboy]

we've already went over this this is a Top 10 win and Just barely behind the UVA win (even though UVa had a worse RPI and WU was at 30 at one point)

I think I disagree. This win will be all but forgotten in 2-3 seasons IMO. We beat a good team who didn't come ready to play us. We had nothing to lose, they overlooked us. It is a great start for next season (unless we can pull a BSC tourney miracle) and a much needed confidence boost for Coach D. This win doesn't get us more respect from recruits or really any exposure close to what beating UVA, VaTech, or any of the other local powerhouse schools would get us. Of course I am up north and really know little about how respected Winthrop might be in the area down there, so maybe I am underestimating that win!!

[LUconn]

I wasn't consulted and it doesn't get my approval.

But I'm also willing to give our team the credit over a WU "let down". Who cares what kind of game they played a few days ago. We just played 5 games in 9 days. We could've given up.

[Hold My Own]

you honestly wont put this right behind UVa who's RPI was at 100 when we beat them although was still in the ACC...I could make the argument that it was bigger b/c it was in conference and could have clinched a playoff spot, but I'll settle for just putting it right behind UVa

Keep in mind this is LU basketball we're talking about not Uconn...how many big wins do you think we have? honestly sit and try to think of 10...it's not as outrageous as it sounds...yeh the win over UVa has all the sex appeal, but if you look at the numbers this win was bigger especially with the cast we have this year (about the same as the cast that won in UVa)

I really need a stat boy but here's a quick rundown belcher

UVa: Early in the season: Dont know (but not to good) When we beat them: 91

WU: Early in the season: 30 when we beat them: 78

yes, UVa is in the ACC but WU also BEAT Marquette, Lost by 3 to Bamma, lost by 2 to Auburn, and played Memphis tough...UVa cant say to much for that down year they had


just go off the hard facts not opinions, as I always say, these are the facts and they cannot be disputed (A few Good Men)

[LUconn]

The difference is, it's a conference game. Our team know's Winthrop and Marshall very well. I didn't think we'd win, but I wasn't shocked that we did. If we beat Marquette, who was beaten by WU, I'd be shocked.

[belcherboy]

Sorry, I read the post wrong. I thought you were putting this win AHEAD of the UVA victory. The only reason I disputed it, is because to this day they still talk about how we ONCE beat UVA. I don't think they will be talking about this win even 5 years from now.

[TallyW]

I'm beginning to fall into the BelcherBoy camp (not the team... I'm not cool enough)
On this thread however I see where he's coming from... Winthrop is in the Big South... no matter their RPI, we're not going to really see this victory as a huge moment in the history of our team. As previously stated... it can be a milestone victory if we start a string of wins at the end and a little into the BSC tourney.

All-in-all... This was a great win for our program NOW... but in our history... mmmmm... i dunno.
I almost wonder if our current situation clouds our judgement of how big this win is in perspective... it's true.. according to RPI this may have been bigger but GOAT victories are more of an emotional and positional view rather than raw data.

Those are just my 2 cents... I don't have a passion either way.... I am honestly just excited for this program to get a high-quality win to take into the tourney and into next year...

[fsn32]

Let me throw my 2 cents in here... UVa's RPI was 91 at the end of a very bad conference season for them. (3-14) At the time we beat them they were 8-5 and I would imagine their RPI was in the Top 50 or better since they had played a tough schedule in those 5 losses and had pulled an upset over a good Wake team. Now, handed, we found out by year's end that they were not a very good team, but at the time UVa wasn't bad. Unlike some have said on the Top 5 game thread... I wouldn't put it above our BS Championships or National Title in NCCAA, but it was significant.

As far as the Winthrop game... it was a huge win... for this season and hopefully next... but in the big scheme of things, a conference regular season game cannot be held in too high a regard. Doing so minimizes our own importance in the conference. The only time a conference game is a life changing win is during the tournament if you get to cut down the nets. The exception to this would be beating a team you have never before... like say, when UVa beat Clemson in football after losing for 29 straight years. We have beaten Winthrop and can't be too surprised when we beat them again. Heck, 10 years ago it would have been Winthrop on our side of this equation. Think about this... did Coastal have two of the biggest wins in their programs history when they swept Wintrop? I wouldn't think they would say that... big wins but not program history big.

I certainly am not trying to take away from the importance of the win and the celebration we should have... but as far as historical significance... I would have to keep it out of the Top 10. Now if Winthrop was a Top 25 team that would add a different wrinkle but 71 RPI isn't quite the same. Over ranking it would diminish the significance of our program's history including that UVa win and other big games.

I just don't want to use the fact that we are having a rough year to overinflate a win... I don't think that Coach would want the team to think this win is monumental... I think he wants them to get in the mind set that beating Winthrop is normal.

A great win... just not Top 10.

[fsn32]

It took me 30 minutes to write my post so I didn't see Tally's before I posted... it could have saved me time... I could have just said "what he said."