[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

I wasnt going to post or read tonight, because Im so ticked, but oh well...

Seems like everyone knows what happened, so i wont say anything on that, but i will say what a few people havent noticed or arent saying.

Kyle Ohman apparently doesnt like Anderson. I dont know why and ive tried to pin-point it but i think all year he has passed to him once. Its sad, Its like watching LB and Brew on the court at the same time and he just needs to get over that crap. And Ill say it, as a freshman Jeremy is a better shooter than Kyle, I would rather Anderson have it than Ohman in any situation. He needs to stop driving to the basket trying to be TeeJay cause he isnt. Dont get me wrong, Ohman is trying, and trying hard for that matter he just needs to remember his role. Catch... DONT DRIBBLE... and SHOOT. RF and I were talking about it tonight and we are not comfortable with him having the ball unless it his passing his nose on the way up haha

TeeJay had a lot of TO tonight, but we are forgetting he didnt play most of the first half with foul trouble. Yes that means he could have had more, but when he gets in his groove we all know that he can take anyone and make an amazing pass while doing it, he just wasnt able to find it due to fouls.

Ace wanted to play, and could have had a few more boards, but hey when u have 4 guards in and him he cant make all the boards by himself.

BJ was BJ as far as heart and hustle goes, he just didnt have the numbers he did against asheville.

Smitty just had an off night, he had some OK looks from the outside but most of them were in and out... He was working hard, everyone has an off night from the outside, and that happens.

I really hate the 1-3-1 and our trap out of it

I think Russ and Ace in the game at the same time would change everything for us and we would do much much better.

But Hey, Im not THE coach

[Schfourteenteen]

My hair is no longer red

[JDUB]

dang have you been cleanin it the whole time? i knew that was a bad idea

[Schfourteenteen]

dang have you been cleanin it the whole time? i knew that was a bad idea

Hour and a half, ive done it before so I know what Im getting into

[checkmate]

Second half was poorly play and a big opportunity lost. A sweep in South Carolina may have us feeling like McCain.

[PAmedic]

Hey! Welcome back!

[Schfourteenteen]

No..Dont...Stop....

Would you have come back if we won to say nice job?

[LUconn]

I looked up in the second half to see that Ace had 16 points. I was shocked. He was playing soft tonight. Taj was bothering him while Ace was on offense, and just plain having his way on the other end.

Did anybody notice we were in the bounus and only had 1 team foul ourselves with 12 minutes left in the 2nd half!?! Why does RM not tell our offense to just pound it inside on ever possesion?? I saw the foul situation and I figured that would basically win the game for us. But instead we piddled around the arc for 25 seconds and then put up a bad shot. FEED THE BIG MAN in that situation, He'll go to the line 3 out of 5 times and score a bucket the other 2. I was really disappointed that McKay didn't make our guys aware of that situation.

[NJLibertyboy]

I agree with alot of what TBGBG said. I've noticed that Ohman doesn't pass to Anderson either and it's frustrating and costs us points more times that not. He needs to remember that his role is to catch and shoot, not get fancy.

Alot of people around me were trashing Alex, because he did play a little soft at times I thought, however Winthrop had 4 people fight with Alex for the board. Odds are against him.

I was telling a friend of mine we needed to put another big man inside like Russ to try and set the tone down low. So I agree with you 100%.

[Rocketfan]

We need to make some adjustments....bottomline. We also need to find someone else besides TJ to penetrate and kick out. Once teams realize we are in love with the 3 ball and never attack the paint other than pass to Alex we become predictable. I saw maybe 2 solid pick and rolls all night and there isn't any excuse for the standing around waiting for the ball. I was suprised when we were playing flat that Mckay didn't try a full lineup change to try to shake things up a bit. Some coaches pull that move, others tend to want to stick it out with there starters.

If a team is going to play zone against us and we aren't rebounding well, pull Ohman ( who was playing the 4 at some points which still confuses me) and put Russ in. He isn't my favorite player by a long shot, but he can rebound and at least dumping it into him will give the guys on the perimeter a little breathing room for an open look if he can kick it back out.

[kel varson]

We need to make some adjustments....bottomline. We also need to find someone else besides TJ to penetrate and kick out. Once teams realize we are in love with the 3 ball and never attack the paint other than pass to Alex we become predictable. I saw maybe 2 solid pick and rolls all night and there isn't any excuse for the standing around waiting for the ball. I was suprised when we were playing flat that Mckay didn't try a full lineup change to try to shake things up a bit. Some coaches pull that move, others tend to want to stick it out with there starters.

If a team is going to play zone against us and we aren't rebounding well, pull Ohman ( who was playing the 4 at some points which still confuses me) and put Russ in. He isn't my favorite player by a long shot, but he can rebound and at least dumping it into him will give the guys on the perimeter a little breathing room for an open look if he can kick it back out.

I agree w/ what you are saying except that a full lineup change would be scary. 2 or 3 guys off the bench would work but 5 would scare me. To me, BJ is a great player but from what I have seen he is not a very good point guard.

[checkmate]

Rock Hill beat writer: http://www.heraldonline.com/205/story/360918.html

[Rocketfan]

We need to make some adjustments....bottomline. We also need to find someone else besides TJ to penetrate and kick out. Once teams realize we are in love with the 3 ball and never attack the paint other than pass to Alex we become predictable. I saw maybe 2 solid pick and rolls all night and there isn't any excuse for the standing around waiting for the ball. I was suprised when we were playing flat that Mckay didn't try a full lineup change to try to shake things up a bit. Some coaches pull that move, others tend to want to stick it out with there starters.

If a team is going to play zone against us and we aren't rebounding well, pull Ohman ( who was playing the 4 at some points which still confuses me) and put Russ in. He isn't my favorite player by a long shot, but he can rebound and at least dumping it into him will give the guys on the perimeter a little breathing room for an open look if he can kick it back out.

I agree w/ what you are saying except that a full lineup change would be scary. 2 or 3 guys off the bench would work but 5 would scare me. To me, BJ is a great player but from what I have seen he is not a very good point guard.

I mean i agree to a point as well, but 21 points in a half scares me....so pick your poison i guess...

Jenkins
Holland
Monroe
Porter
Campbell

For a 2-3 minute period so Mckay could sit his starters and try to get them refoucused really couldn't have produced that much less than that starters did in my opinion. Plus it would have made us bigger and might have cut down on Winthrops offensive rebounds in key situations. Either way we needed a spark and didn't get one.....would that lineup have worked, who knows.

[LUconn]

really couldn't have produced that much less than that starters did in my opinion.

exactly. We had a 13 minute stretch where we score 2 points. 2 points! I think we could have had our walkons in for that long and who knows, maybe they couldn't have scored. But I'd gladly sacrifice those 2 whole points to send a message. Just hope they hold up on the defensive end (they only have to be in a couple of minutes to get your point across).

[sweetnahmah1]

Seriously! I think the reason for some of teejays turnovers were because he got trapped somewhere and tried to force the ball to someone. NO ONE HELPS! When he gets stuck, you can't just yell for the ball. Someone has to go to him and get the ball. Then give it back, I don't care. Just get him out of that jam. He got stuck then tried to throw it over everyone a couple times inside to Ace and the one time outside to Jeremy when he got choke slammed and the foul was on him. No one goes to help him so he has to force junk.

[crig23]

First of all, lets talk about how you guys have no idea about what you are talking about. Ohman did not have a bad game, 8 points, 2-4(3's) 2-2 (Ft) ;yes he is a shooter and yes he prolly is not the quickest athlete on the floor, BUT the more a person is one dimensional the easier it is to guard him. You guys are complaining about him trying to drive?!?!? are you kidding me, that makes him a better player. Maybe if the "better athletes" like Ant, could drive and create his own shot, then we wouldnt have to worry about tj having to create everything. And whoever said we should put BIG Rus in for anyone is retarded. he might be a decent player but he looks like he has never played a minute in his life...and also, it is sad when our guards are better rebounders than our big men. BJ goes after the ball like no one else. Dont get me wrong , i like tyler baker alot, but please get off of him...he is not our savior. Also, if you honestly think that ohman doesnt like anderson because it doesnt seem like he passes it to him, then you shouldnt even be watching the games. they are a team, it is an offense, they run plays. lets talk about things that actually make sense, how alex needs to get tougher in the post ,if he had a right hand he would be alot better. Ant needs to learn to go to the basket and be strong. Jeremy and Kyle are both good shooters and they will progress as they play more, Ohman is playing basically as a freshman and anderson has only played like 10 games.

[Hold My Own]

I'm sorry if your KO's dad or something but he really did have a bad game, he's a different player now, and to be honest he's a different person. He doesnt have the same innocent underdog charm anymore, he's coming across as a punk right now. He needs some humble pie (and trust me when I say he'll get that today after last night) and become what he was. He's a completely different player...it's not hard to see (although if your wearing the tainted glasses that Purple hands out it's hard to see!).


And I'm with you he's young and inexperienced! Thats why he needs to lose the attitude and roller coaster emotions and take what comes to him...as in spot shooting not penetrating....he could actually learn something from Jeremy right now as much as he may hate that.

[Rocketfan]

First of all, lets talk about how you guys have no idea about what you are talking about. Ohman did not have a bad game, 8 points, 2-4(3's) 2-2 (Ft) ;yes he is a shooter and yes he prolly is not the quickest athlete on the floor, BUT the more a person is one dimensional the easier it is to guard him. You guys are complaining about him trying to drive?!?!? are you kidding me, that makes him a better player. Maybe if the "better athletes" like Ant, could drive and create his own shot, then we wouldnt have to worry about tj having to create everything. And whoever said we should put BIG Rus in for anyone is retarded. he might be a decent player but he looks like he has never played a minute in his life...and also, it is sad when our guards are better rebounders than our big men. BJ goes after the ball like no one else. Dont get me wrong , i like tyler baker alot, but please get off of him...he is not our savior. Also, if you honestly think that ohman doesnt like anderson because it doesnt seem like he passes it to him, then you shouldnt even be watching the games. they are a team, it is an offense, they run plays. lets talk about things that actually make sense, how alex needs to get tougher in the post ,if he had a right hand he would be alot better. Ant needs to learn to go to the basket and be strong. Jeremy and Kyle are both good shooters and they will progress as they play more, Ohman is playing basically as a freshman and anderson has only played like 10 games.

Let me guess your a sophmore....because that response is truly spoken like one. Ohman did have a bad game....when you drive the basket it requires dribbling, this is not a strength for Kyle and we all know it. Its fine he just needs to learn to shoot off screens with a hand in his face as well as he does when he is wide open. If your honestly trying to play it off like anthony cant create his own shot but kyle can i want some of what your smoking. Russ can rebound and is a big body, the reason i suggested to put him in is because Kyles defense is subpar and he needs to work on it. I mean if your going to foul a guy going in for an easy layup at least make sure you make the big round ball does not go in the hole....Ace has played well all year, when its 3 post players vs 1 post player in the paint what do you expect, its gonna make him look a tad ineffective.

[crig23]

I'm sorry if your KO's dad or something but he really did have a bad game, he's a different player now, and to be honest he's a different person. He doesnt have the same innocent underdog charm anymore, he's coming across as a punk right now. He needs some humble pie (and trust me when I say he'll get that today after last night) and become what he was. He's a completely different player...it's not hard to see (although if your wearing the tainted glasses that Purple hands out it's hard to see!).


And I'm with you he's young and inexperienced! Thats why he needs to lose the attitude and roller coaster emotions and take what comes to him...as in spot shooting not penetrating....he could actually learn something from Jeremy right now as much as he may hate that.

You talk like you know ohman, dont flatter yourself...you dont know what you are talking about. hey, here is a thought, why dont you all take your opinions to coach McKay and see what he thinks about it, oh thats right he doesnt care what you think, ohman is the first one off the bench and has started when ant was in trouble. that should tell you something.

[crig23]

First of all, lets talk about how you guys have no idea about what you are talking about. Ohman did not have a bad game, 8 points, 2-4(3's) 2-2 (Ft) ;yes he is a shooter and yes he prolly is not the quickest athlete on the floor, BUT the more a person is one dimensional the easier it is to guard him. You guys are complaining about him trying to drive?!?!? are you kidding me, that makes him a better player. Maybe if the "better athletes" like Ant, could drive and create his own shot, then we wouldnt have to worry about tj having to create everything. And whoever said we should put BIG Rus in for anyone is retarded. he might be a decent player but he looks like he has never played a minute in his life...and also, it is sad when our guards are better rebounders than our big men. BJ goes after the ball like no one else. Dont get me wrong , i like tyler baker alot, but please get off of him...he is not our savior. Also, if you honestly think that ohman doesnt like anderson because it doesnt seem like he passes it to him, then you shouldnt even be watching the games. they are a team, it is an offense, they run plays. lets talk about things that actually make sense, how alex needs to get tougher in the post ,if he had a right hand he would be alot better. Ant needs to learn to go to the basket and be strong. Jeremy and Kyle are both good shooters and they will progress as they play more, Ohman is playing basically as a freshman and anderson has only played like 10 games.

Let me guess your a sophmore....because that response is truly spoken like one. Ohman did have a bad game....when you drive the basket it requires dribbling, this is not a strength for Kyle and we all know it. Its fine he just needs to learn to shoot off screens with a hand in his face as well as he does when he is wide open. If your honestly trying to play it off like anthony cant create his own shot but kyle can i want some of what your smoking. Russ can rebound and is a big body, the reason i suggested to put him in is because Kyles defense is subpar and he needs to work on it. I mean if your going to foul a guy going in for an easy layup at least make sure you make the big round ball does not go in the hole....Ace has played well all year, when its 3 post players vs 1 post player in the paint what do you expect, its gonna make him look a tad ineffective.

Let me guess, you are an idiot...i am a senior and have gone to almost every home game and some away games. i like liberty as a team , i am not trying to favor ohman, it seems to me you are trying to blame ohman when he is one of the few actually playing hard and with heart. Ohman prolly has taken the most charges on the team, and that involves getting in good defense positions. i like alex too, but lets be honest, his defense is subpar and needs a right hand

[ToTheLeft]

I'm sorry if your KO's dad or something but he really did have a bad game, he's a different player now, and to be honest he's a different person. He doesnt have the same innocent underdog charm anymore, he's coming across as a punk right now. He needs some humble pie (and trust me when I say he'll get that today after last night) and become what he was. He's a completely different player...it's not hard to see (although if your wearing the tainted glasses that Purple hands out it's hard to see!).


And I'm with you he's young and inexperienced! Thats why he needs to lose the attitude and roller coaster emotions and take what comes to him...as in spot shooting not penetrating....he could actually learn something from Jeremy right now as much as he may hate that.

You talk like you know ohman, dont flatter yourself...you dont know what you are talking about. hey, here is a thought, why dont you all take your opinions to coach McKay and see what he thinks about it, oh thats right he doesnt care what you think, ohman is the first one off the bench and has started when ant was in trouble. that should tell you something.

The point of a message board is to speak our minds and discuss the team.

And coach wouldn't change anything he does for you, either. That's why they coach.

I know KO is your boy, thats evident. Kid has a shot and a heart, no one can deny that. It's just, after a loss, blame has to fall somewhere. You choose to place it on whoever you want, but the OPINION of the people here is that KO was partially to blame.

I think blaming Alex is a bit ridiculous, but to each his own. Just remember, this is a message board, no one here claims to know more than RMK, but we are fans, so we just do what fans do.

[Hold My Own]

You talk like you know ohman, dont flatter yourself...

You need to stick around...dont be a one hit wonder like some...we'll have fun with you around here

[ToTheLeft]

And for the record, I do not give KO the most blame for the L, but I don't wanna go into who I think lost the game. All I know is the boys did what they could, but Winthrop just beat us. They got a lot of easy buckets, and played good D.

[Rocketfan]

First of all, lets talk about how you guys have no idea about what you are talking about. Ohman did not have a bad game, 8 points, 2-4(3's) 2-2 (Ft) ;yes he is a shooter and yes he prolly is not the quickest athlete on the floor, BUT the more a person is one dimensional the easier it is to guard him. You guys are complaining about him trying to drive?!?!? are you kidding me, that makes him a better player. Maybe if the "better athletes" like Ant, could drive and create his own shot, then we wouldnt have to worry about tj having to create everything. And whoever said we should put BIG Rus in for anyone is retarded. he might be a decent player but he looks like he has never played a minute in his life...and also, it is sad when our guards are better rebounders than our big men. BJ goes after the ball like no one else. Dont get me wrong , i like tyler baker alot, but please get off of him...he is not our savior. Also, if you honestly think that ohman doesnt like anderson because it doesnt seem like he passes it to him, then you shouldnt even be watching the games. they are a team, it is an offense, they run plays. lets talk about things that actually make sense, how alex needs to get tougher in the post ,if he had a right hand he would be alot better. Ant needs to learn to go to the basket and be strong. Jeremy and Kyle are both good shooters and they will progress as they play more, Ohman is playing basically as a freshman and anderson has only played like 10 games.

Let me guess your a sophmore....because that response is truly spoken like one. Ohman did have a bad game....when you drive the basket it requires dribbling, this is not a strength for Kyle and we all know it. Its fine he just needs to learn to shoot off screens with a hand in his face as well as he does when he is wide open. If your honestly trying to play it off like anthony cant create his own shot but kyle can i want some of what your smoking. Russ can rebound and is a big body, the reason i suggested to put him in is because Kyles defense is subpar and he needs to work on it. I mean if your going to foul a guy going in for an easy layup at least make sure you make the big round ball does not go in the hole....Ace has played well all year, when its 3 post players vs 1 post player in the paint what do you expect, its gonna make him look a tad ineffective.

Let me guess, you are an idiot...i am a senior and have gone to almost every home game and some away games. i like liberty as a team , i am not trying to favor ohman, it seems to me you are trying to blame ohman when he is one of the few actually playing hard and with heart. Ohman prolly has taken the most charges on the team, and that involves getting in good defense positions. i like alex too, but lets be honest, his defense is subpar and needs a right hand

I base my opinion on actualy being able to see the game, Alex i believe has made 4-5 shots with his right hand in the last 2-3 games....i know of 2 in the last loss. You might actually want to watch the game before you make inaccurate statements. Most charges on the team isn't a stat i track, but it may be true....however the one charge he got in the last game was a flop and you get about 1 in every 5 of those. Ohman is widly inconsistent and everyone saw Mantlo in him at the beginning of the year ( you should know who that is if your a senior) but that quality is quickly fading.

[Hold My Own]

and for the record search back to before the season i stated that KO was my favorite player and most improved. I even called him one of the best hustlers we've ever had by saying he's Mantlo Jr. He's changed though and I'm talking about game...I'm sorry if your his "little brother" and he acknowledges you around a group of people and it makes you feel tingly inside but you have to admit the bad if your willing to acknowledge the good



It wasnt his fault, nobody said it was....you took an entire thread and somehow posters have found your soft spot which everyone thinks only deserves 5% of the loss....I blame TJ more than anyone...but they all struggled