[panther1]

HOW LONG????!!!!!

[JakeP50]

All I have to say at this point is #CleanTheHeels

[Purple Haize]

HOW LONG????!!!!!

You weren't the first to ask that question.

[Chris Lang]

The game story:

http://www.newsadvance.com/sports/liber ... b2370.html

[Bigsouthking]

Burrus quotes were about defense, my questions all year have been about offense.....oh well keep guarding guys, at some point you can win 62-61 I guess. Effort has been awesome all season.

[libertyfan4life]

60-67 HPU

[Purple Haize]

Burrus quotes were about defense, my questions all year have been about offense.....oh well keep guarding guys, at some point you can win 62-61 I guess. Effort has been awesome all season.

And just so recently you said you were done with it. Keep screaming and crying. Won't make it any more truer but maybe you'll feel better

[Bigsouthking]

So LU has a 6 minute scoring drought, but you still blame their defense..

I'm not saying score 110 or 95 or even 89.... Just get to 75 every 3rd game or so.

Does no one on this board agree with me or is everyone afraid of PH??

[Purple Haize]

So LU has a 6 minute scoring drought, but you still blame their defense..

I'm not saying score 110 or 95 or even 89.... Just get to 75 every 3rd game or so.

Does no one on this board agree with me or is everyone afraid of PH??

Considering you keep changing your point.....

[Cider Jim]

Does no one on this board agree with me or is everyone afraid of PH??

I've met Purple in person, and he is a BIG guy, but I think most of us could outrun him, unless BJ is still on his crutches.

[Purple Haize]

Does no one on this board agree with me or is everyone afraid of PH??

I've met Purple in person, and he is a BIG guy, but I think most of us could outrun him, unless BJ is still on his crutches.

But if I got close I'd trip you, then sit on you and that's all she wrote!

[Bigsouthking]

Jim Boeheim after last nights loss to BC in press conference --- 'we have been fortunate lately, our offense has got to get better'. A coach that gets it.

My point remains, Clemson vs UVA proves, 2 great defenses playing, but the team with better shooters, offensive players ultimately won 61-58

Since Radford loss I said LU had problems on the offensive end, look at Big South stats, those stats back up my argument and also equals to the win-loss column....I have 4 box scores. From the tournament last. To prove their offense was better for that week= that equaled 4 wins.

And no I'm not beating a dead horse, I'm talking about the core problems of why they are not winning.

[SuperJon]

Does no one on this board agree with me or is everyone afraid of PH??

I'd say it has to do more with the fact that you guys take over every thread arguing about it and we are tired of it.

[Purple Haize]

Does no one on this board agree with me or is everyone afraid of PH??

I'd say it has to do more with the fact that you guys take over every thread arguing about it and we are tired of it.

He promised he was done with it. Note for the record I never bring it up. But I will stop responding to his ever changing inanity

[TIMSCAR20]

I am not getting in the good offense vs good defense debate because it is kind of pointless. But I will say that this team has trouble stopping people in the last 5 minutes of games. It seems the other team scores at-will at the end of games.

I will say that at the beginning of the season if someone would have told me this team would lose 7 Big South games in a row I would have laughed. I am on record as saying this team could win 20 games. Never did I dream they would lose 20.

I know some of you think I only say stuff because I cover the team but anyone that knows me and actually talks to me in person knows that I say in real life pretty much what I say on this board. I truly believed that with 6 seniors, a championship run, a healthy Antwan Burrus and a schedule that was not as difficult on paper as it has been in recent years that 20 wins was a real possibility. There have been so many games that could have gone the other way for Liberty that didn't. Go look at the box scores or think back:

Western Carolina
UNC Willmington
William & Mary
Austin Peay
Furman (Shot to tie after trailing by 24)
Longwood (Shot to tie at the buzzer)
High Point at home (down 2 and on D needing a stop with 30 seconds)
UNC Asheville (Ball and down 1 with 18 seconds before "the charge")
Princeton (1 possession game under a minute)
Delaware (8 pt lead at half against the top CAA team)
Missouri State (shot to win I believe in a 2 pt loss)
Coastal (shot to tie at the buzzer)
VMI (tied with the ball with about a min to play)

You ARE what your record says YOU ARE according to The Big Tuna Bill Parcells. But as someone that sees this team up close more than most, I can't remember a team this talented (yes guys this team has talent!) have this much trouble closing out games. It has to be frustrating for them individually and collectively.

Go Flames!

[Bigsouthking]

I would rather talk offense/defense than RD/Meyer etc on the thread. At least offense/defense pertains to winning games. Somewhere Trap Speakes is saying, see I knew they would miss me.

[TIMSCAR20]

I would rather talk offense/defense than RD/Meyer etc on the thread. At least offense/defense pertains to winning games. Somewhere Trap Speakes is saying, see I knew they would miss me.

Agreed on the 1st part of your post. As someone who has worked in the trenches figuratively speaking of course, with both of those guys, I am certainly ready to move past all that talk about the past.

Trap is definitely missed in terms of his defensive abilities, timely steals and timely buckets. He was a real glue guy for them as well as being one of the top scorers..

Depending on matchups in Myrtle, I STILL say they can make a run in the tourney. Not as likely this season because they already did it last year and because I'm not sure if they still believe in one another like they did last year. Their confidence has to be shaken at this point. It is human nature.

[Purple Haize]

I would rather talk offense/defense than RD/Meyer etc on the thread. At least offense/defense pertains to winning games. Somewhere Trap Speakes is saying, see I knew they would miss me.

Jeff Meyer

[VAGolf]

Scar, seeing as you have more credit than 99% of us on here, I'm just curious. You listed all of those games that were close, but we lost. You listed 13 games in total. To me, whenever I see that many games with a common denominator, I immediately rule out any chance for a coincidence. Thus, I believe that there is a certain reason as to why we have lost 13 close games. You've ruled out a potential reason, being talent, to which I agree with you. So, here is my question. What is the reason? What specific thing or things could you pinpoint as being the main reason that we have lost so many close games?

[Purple Haize]

Scar, seeing as you have more credit than 99% of us on here, I'm just curious. You listed all of those games that were close, but we lost. You listed 13 games in total. To me, whenever I see that many games with a common denominator, I immediately rule out any chance for a coincidence. Thus, I believe that there is a certain reason as to why we have lost 13 close games. You've ruled out a potential reason, being talent, to which I agree with you. So, here is my question. What is the reason? What specific thing or things could you pinpoint as being the main reason that we have lost so many close games?

I am the 1% suck it Occupy Ball Street!

[jcmanson]

Overtime - http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/over ... h-point-2/

[TIMSCAR20]

Scar, seeing as you have more credit than 99% of us on here, I'm just curious. You listed all of those games that were close, but we lost. You listed 13 games in total. To me, whenever I see that many games with a common denominator, I immediately rule out any chance for a coincidence. Thus, I believe that there is a certain reason as to why we have lost 13 close games. You've ruled out a potential reason, being talent, to which I agree with you. So, here is my question. What is the reason? What specific thing or things could you pinpoint as being the main reason that we have lost so many close games?

It is difficult to say. Extraordinary teams like Michigan State, Syracuse, Duke all play in tough close games like that throughout the year but they seem to come out on top more often than not. I think everyone plays their share of these types of games in a given year. When you lose a few of those close ones early, psychologically you have a disadvantage because you start thinking "here we go again". Once again I won't get into the Offense/Defense debate but I will say this: Good teams can score when they really need to score at big moments and Stop people when they absolutely have to stop people. In my humble opinion this team struggles to stop people when they absolutely have to stop people in key possessions. Offensively at key times, when they do get shots, they just have not gone for them.

I don't have the answers. These are just observations from my seat.

[Chris Lang]

King ... it was offense AND defense during that stretch. Liberty goes 0 for 4 with three turnovers in seven possessions; High Point scores on all seven. 15-0 run. That's the ballgame. You can match on offense to a certain extent, but if you can't get any stops at all, you're not going to have success. I'm not arguing this team isn't broken offensively. It is. But to say it was all offense during that stretch just isn't accurate.

[jcmanson]

This whole offense/defense debate is pointless anyways. There's so much more going on with this team than just offense/defense issues.

[VAGolf]

Scar, seeing as you have more credit than 99% of us on here, I'm just curious. You listed all of those games that were close, but we lost. You listed 13 games in total. To me, whenever I see that many games with a common denominator, I immediately rule out any chance for a coincidence. Thus, I believe that there is a certain reason as to why we have lost 13 close games. You've ruled out a potential reason, being talent, to which I agree with you. So, here is my question. What is the reason? What specific thing or things could you pinpoint as being the main reason that we have lost so many close games?

It is difficult to say. Extraordinary teams like Michigan State, Syracuse, Duke all play in tough close games like that throughout the year but they seem to come out on top more often than not. I think everyone plays their share of these types of games in a given year. When you lose a few of those close ones early, psychologically you have a disadvantage because you start thinking "here we go again". Once again I won't get into the Offense/Defense debate but I will say this: Good teams can score when they really need to score at big moments and Stop people when they absolutely have to stop people. In my humble opinion this team struggles to stop people when they absolutely have to stop people in key possessions. Offensively at key times, when they do get shots, they just have not gone for them.

I don't have the answers. These are just observations from my seat.

Thanks for the reply Scar. I don't really care about the offense/defense debate either. That whole debate is stupid and pointless. I agree with you on the psychological part of the game effecting our play in the final minutes. That's where I think the culture of a school's athletic program could override early failure and still provide motivation towards the end of a struggling season. Which is part of the reason why I am fed up with the culture of our athletic program.