[Chippy]

Was JVP playing? He is coming off back surgery, so they may still have him shut down. He showed some real flashes last year when he wasn't in pain.

JVP wasnt playing and wasnt even there. In my opinion I dont think JVP should get a lot of minutes with what I have seen from him the last 3 years and what I see with the new guys we have. I would rather see those minutes go to Sommy, Tomaz, and Andrew Smith.

If that is what you would rather see, then you want to see soft post play. There is nothing wrong with it if you want them taking jump shots, but you arent getting any rebounds an no one is posting up. Our biggest issue the last few years is there hasnt been someone on the block getting the ball to open up the rest of the floor. At the middle/end of last year JVP and Antwan started to do that and we were really turning the corner. If that is your preference that is fine, but if they get the minutes, we have 0 post-play (although Im sure Sommy will make a play or 2).

What we lack is a post defensive presence - a shot blocker/rebounder, etc.

[Sly Fox]

Sommy has that potential if he is able to stay healthy.

[olldflame]

Sommy has that potential if he is able to stay healthy.

He was well on his way to becoming a defensive force in the paint at the end of his Freshman year. He can be the best shot blocker we have had since Aluma.

[Bigsouthking]

Any one want to give us a 5 year ARD = (After Randy Dunton) review:

What has been accomplished?

(I figure I would throw this out since football is 0-3...)

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Any one want to give us a 5 year ARD = (After Randy Dunton) review:

What has been accomplished?

(I figure I would throw this out since football is 0-3...)

We got Lights on the Baseball Field!

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Sommy has that potential if he is able to stay healthy.

He was well on his way to becoming a defensive force in the paint at the end of his Freshman year. He can be the best shot blocker we have had since Aluma.

Yeah... He was getting that reputation... a lot of guys were scared to come in the lane with him down there.... oh wait... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oTuswTXf90

[LUconn]

Any one want to give us a 5 year ARD = (After Randy Dunton) review:

What has been accomplished?

(I figure I would throw this out since football is 0-3...)

That's a set up discussion framed to ignore Dunton's final years. The discussion should be the state of the program since the '04 championship. Was that parlayed or wasted and what has been accomplished.

[olldflame]

I thought you were moving on TBGBG. Apparently not. If you want to spend the time, you can find youtube clips of every premiere shot-blocker on the planet getting it in their face from lesser dunkers than John Williams. FYI, he is now doing it for a living for the Trotters. Sommy averaged a shot block every 10 minutes he was on the court his Freshman year, and was doing better than that at the end of the season.

[Bigsouthking]

Any one want to give us a 5 year ARD = (After Randy Dunton) review:

What has been accomplished?

(I figure I would throw this out since football is 0-3...)

That's a set up discussion framed to ignore Dunton's final years. The discussion should be the state of the program since the '04 championship. Was that parlayed or wasted and what has been accomplished.

We can talk about those years as well...

[bballfan84]

Not sure what the solution is...but Layer is running out of time IMO. It's incredible how far Ritchie and Seth set this program back. We went from national attention and tons of momentum to a dead program again.

you could also look at it as how much Ritche and Seth propelled our program by and when they left we came back down to earth

[Bigsouthking]

Yeah Ritchie and Seth both lost in a Conference Semi Final game to a Military college by 20 plus and 2 weeks before that by 40 at home on senior night... nice propelling!!

It's not propelling if you cant sustain it -- its called a 1 hit wonder.

Ritchie was and is a joke. (Liberty job was a band-aid for him professionally) yet you guys take up for him. If he didn't inherit Smitty from RD he wouldn't have won 15 games. Also he only won 16 games with TJ, McLean, Smitty, etc...

RD isn't or wasn't the best coach, but at least he recruited players that could finish in the top 4 of the BSC!

[jcmanson]

Are we seriously already starting this discussion? It's September.

The men's BB forum: where we talk about the same thing every year

[olldflame]

Not sure what the solution is...but Layer is running out of time IMO. It's incredible how far Ritchie and Seth set this program back. We went from national attention and tons of momentum to a dead program again.

you could also look at it as how much Ritche and Seth propelled our program by and when they left we came back down to earth

That's a very valid point, which is almost totally overlooked in the discussions here. You have to rise before you can fall. I hate how he left as much as anyone, but things were looking pretty good for the program a couple of months into 2009.

[Bigsouthking]

Really Oldflame??? things were looking good for a couple of months???

so 5 years ARD = things were looking good for a couple of months. NICE!

[olldflame]

Really Oldflame??? things were looking good for a couple of months???

so 5 years ARD = things were looking good for a couple of months. NICE!

Not what I said. That entire season generated a lot of excitement and promise. In February (2 months into 2009) the outlook was bright. Then the problems started with Brolin Floyd's departure and went downhill from there.

[Bigsouthking]

Ha ha ha. Now we blame Brolin Floyd! Good grief...

[olldflame]

Ha ha ha. Now we blame Brolin Floyd! Good grief...

Not at all. It's merely the chronological order. Brolin was the first to leave.

[Hold My Own]

JR is a straight man who I think will start right away.

I think we have a resident poster that will take offense to you saying he's gonna start because he's straight

[bballfan84]

enough with mckay and especially RD geez let it go fellas...this was just a glimpe into the season for 2012-2013 not for 2004-2005

[Purple Haize]

Any one want to give us a 5 year ARD = (After Randy Dunton) review:

What has been accomplished?

(I figure I would throw this out since football is 0-3...)

Our APR is better and we have 2 scholarships back.

[truthorconsequences]

Any one want to give us a 5 year ARD = (After Randy Dunton) review:

What has been accomplished?

(I figure I would throw this out since football is 0-3...)

Our APR is better and we have 2 scholarships back.

RD is a tremendous recruiter and coach.

[Bigsouthking]

Any one want to give us a 5 year ARD = (After Randy Dunton) review:

What has been accomplished?

(I figure I would throw this out since football is 0-3...)

Our APR is better and we have 2 scholarships back.

RD is a tremendous recruiter and coach.

T or C -- I agree with recruiter part. Not being a tremendous coach part... Point being, in 5 years as HC who did RD beat that he SHOULD NOT have beaten? Did he over achieve ever?
Exactly, he recruited good enough to be a top the BSC.

[Purple Haize]

I noticed in the quote of Troll of Craziness it failed to respond to an actual fact. I do agree with your point, however, I feel that some would point to theUVAwin in his interim year would fit that category

[Bigsouthking]

PH -- stick to the 5 years he was head coach not the 1 interim season.... He did beat a bad UVA team though... But so did RMK... So let's give them 1 each..

[Purple Haize]

PH -- stick to the 5 years he was head coach not the 1 interim season.... He did beat a bad UVA team though... But so did RMK... So let's give them 1 each..

I was just giving both sides of the argument. I think it's completely irrelevant because of the time since he was let go and all of the things that had happened since.