[Rocketfan]

I honestly can't believe i just read people compliment an AD on hiring a VB coach and Womens soccer coach.....These sports generate less than 0 revenue and no one cares about either.

Then you compliment him on "retaining" a FB coach and a WBB coach.....unless JB personally wrote the check from his bank account you have lost your mind. He simply approached the hire ups " can i him this?" and got a yes.....now lets all do the riverdance in his honor.

the reason i bolded this was because in saying that you just completed my argument. thank you. saying you want to fire the AD because he made a bad hire is wrong by the logic you use as well. and can we blame the AD for not retaining a coach, again I would say by your logic that would be a no. By your logic the AD does nothing but go to the higher ups and ask permission to keep them. So ultimately all hirings, firings, and all such things should be blamed on the "higher ups" not the AD

What im saying is in those two circumstances FB and WBB, JB had NO leverage in negotations. So there really wasn't much to talk about, except to quickly work out a managable raise and extension. WBB just came off a sweet 16 run, and if anyone found out JB was getting cheap and let Rocco go, he would have been calling Danny Lovett for a job.

Now when you bring in a new coach, you have more leverage that someone who was just fired and is UNEMPLOYED (RMK). Now you can balk at someones salary demands ( boy that Brad Stevens guy wasn't worth it was he) if you feel that this guy isn't as good of a fit as someone else, but the checkbook was open either way and everyone knows it.

[olldflame]

That's what an LU AD was before Barber.

For several years that was true. If you go back earlier we had some really good ADs who had the same kind of autonomy JB has. Prime example being Terry Don Phillips, who is now AD at Clemson, and just turned down the opening at Arkansas.

I think it's good to have this thread for these discussions so we don't go off topic on others.

[olldflame]

OK rocketfan. Are you actually implying that Brad Stevens was offered our MBB job in 07 and turned it down over money? What is your source?

[LUconn]

All I remember about him is that he was on the original candidate list.

[olldflame]

All I remember about him is that he was on the original candidate list.

Same here. He was on the list we had on ff, which was of course far from official. I don't know if JB ever announced who was actually under consideration. As far as I know RMK and Cooper were the only ones interviewed.

[jcmanson]

Rocket posted last week something to the extent that “he heard from a credible source that Stevens would have accepted the job if the money was right.”

[olldflame]

That's fine. If it's true, it's easy to look at it with with 20/20 hindsight and say we messed up. At the time, Stevens was a bright young assistant with a lot of promise and no head coaching experience. Butler is really the only place he has coached. I doubt he would have gotten the HC job with his resume if he weren't already there. I would also say that if we had hired him, he would probably have been gone as soon as the Butler job opened anyway.

[flameshaw]

You guys are delusional if you think Barber is a bad AD or that RD is a legimiate D1 BB coach, If he was, he would have a job. Good coaches are always in demand.

There are many reasons that RD was not retained and there is no reason to air them here. However, if you want to know one of the major one's, do a litle homework and you will see that we lost two Dll games his last year and did not have a win over a D1 school with a record above .500. The combined records of the teams that we beat that year was horrible.

Give it a rest. We have progressed so much in the last few years we should only be praising our entire administration and supporting them financially as well.

[ToTheLeft]

You guys are delusional if you think Barber is a bad AD or that RD is a legimiate D1 BB coach, If he was, he would have a job. Good coaches are always in demand.

Wow. Just wow. So I guess it takes less than a legitimate DI coach to win the Big South, eh? If that's the case, what does that make Dale, Ritchie, Duggar, Bart Lundy, Cliff Ellis, Greg Nibbert, Scott Cherry, and every other coach to come thru this league and not win a title? Less than not legitimate?

Get a grip. He finished top half of the league all but one year. He's a legitimate coach that was given the opportunity to do well for himself coaching his daughter and some other very talented high school girls in a MUCH lower pressure environment.

And we wonder why "checkers" and friends always come back...

[ATrain]

RD is gone, he's not coming back, and right now it doesn't matter why he's gone and it doesn't matter whether or not anyone likes it. Just let it go people.

[jcmanson]

You guys are delusional if you think Barber is a bad AD or that RD is a legimiate D1 BB coach, If he was, he would have a job. Good coaches are always in demand.

Wow. Just wow. So I guess it takes less than a legitimate DI coach to win the Big South, eh? If that's the case, what does that make Dale, Ritchie, Duggar, Bart Lundy, Cliff Ellis, Greg Nibbert, Scott Cherry, and every other coach to come thru this league and not win a title? Less than not legitimate?

Get a grip. He finished top half of the league all but one year. He's a legitimate coach that was given the opportunity to do well for himself coaching his daughter and some other very talented high school girls in a MUCH lower pressure environment.

And we wonder why "checkers" and friends always come back...

haha, I wonder who you've been talking to

[ToTheLeft]

RD is gone, he's not coming back, and right now it doesn't matter why he's gone and it doesn't matter whether or not anyone likes it. Just let it go people.

As soon as people stop attacking him, people will stop defending him.

[ToTheLeft]

You guys are delusional if you think Barber is a bad AD or that RD is a legimiate D1 BB coach, If he was, he would have a job. Good coaches are always in demand.

Wow. Just wow. So I guess it takes less than a legitimate DI coach to win the Big South, eh? If that's the case, what does that make Dale, Ritchie, Duggar, Bart Lundy, Cliff Ellis, Greg Nibbert, Scott Cherry, and every other coach to come thru this league and not win a title? Less than not legitimate?

Get a grip. He finished top half of the league all but one year. He's a legitimate coach that was given the opportunity to do well for himself coaching his daughter and some other very talented high school girls in a MUCH lower pressure environment.

And we wonder why "checkers" and friends always come back...

haha, I wonder who you've been talking to

I have met and talked with Coach D. I think he's a great guy, and I know he's a good coach. I also have met Coach Layer, and think he's a great guy and a good coach. I'm not picking favorites. However, since those that defend RD are usually banned, I am left as the only one here who can stand up for him.

[ballah09]

Get a grip. He finished top half of the league all but one year. He's a legitimate coach that was given the opportunity to do well for himself coaching his daughter and some other very talented high school girls in a MUCH lower pressure environment.

And we wonder why "checkers" and friends always come back...

not to go OT but what school did she commit to?

[ToTheLeft]

I don't know, honestly. Never met her, and never talked with Coach about her. TBGBG would be the guy to ask...

[fan00]

she hasn't committed yet.

[olldflame]

RD is gone, he's not coming back, and right now it doesn't matter why he's gone and it doesn't matter whether or not anyone likes it. Just let it go people.

As soon as people stop attacking him, people will stop defending him.

If you are going to say that about RD lefty, you need to say the same thing about JB. Go back and check, and I think you will see that almost without exception, these "discussions" begin with an attack on JB and a contention by checkers or one of his other pseudonyms that we would be far better off if RD were still our coach. The response was then to defend the legitimacy of the decision to not renew RD's contract. I can't remember the last time that anyone made an "unprovoked" attack on RD.

[ToTheLeft]

RD is gone, he's not coming back, and right now it doesn't matter why he's gone and it doesn't matter whether or not anyone likes it. Just let it go people.

As soon as people stop attacking him, people will stop defending him.

If you are going to say that about RD lefty, you need to say the same thing about JB. Go back and check, and I think you will see that almost without exception, these "discussions" begin with an attack on JB and a contention by checkers or one of his other pseudonyms that we would be far better off if RD were still our coach. The response was then to defend the legitimacy of the decision to not renew RD's contract. I can't remember the last time that anyone made an "unprovoked" attack on RD.

I'm the wrong one to bring this to, but I agree.

But I would hardly say what grm did to start this most recent one an "attack". No one said JB was "not a legitimate AD"... People feel he is a poor one based on his choices, but no one called him illegitimate.

[olldflame]

I'm 100% cool with grm. I think flameshaw is a really good contributor to the board, but personally thought he stepped over the line in saying RD isn't a legitimate D1 coach. Our AD just thought he was no longer the BEST person to be the head BB coach at LU.

[ballah09]

she hasn't committed yet.

oh ok. edit: nvm

[ToTheLeft]

I know that she is not considering LU.

[jcmanson]

Yeah she would never step foot on LU’s campus again. The whole Dunton fam has a grudge.

[ToTheLeft]

Well, not against the school. Just the AD, and the subsequent Men's BBall coach. I believe she, with her dad, have attended women's games.

[jcmanson]

Well, not against the school. Just the AD, and the subsequent Men's BBall coach. I believe she, with her dad, have attended women's games.

And the entire MBB program regardless of the coach.

[olldflame]

Is she a 10 prospect? We don't have any scholarships for next year. I know that RD went to some WBB games a couple of years ago, but I don't think recently.