[jinxy]

flat out terrible. It's hard not to believe that those refs did not have a pre determined agenda against us after reviewing all of the calls from last night

What was the foul count in the double OT? It had to be upwards of 10 for Radford granted we were forced to use 3 or 4 after they had given the game to them

I always thought it was the job of the official to swallow the whistle in crunch time and let the players decide the game. The game was clearly taken out of the players hands last night.

Also the Russian kid could be called for over the back multiple times yet he ends up with like 2 fouls. Just comical to watch such officiating

[flameshaw]

Was at the game, the officials were the worst I have seen in a long time. It was like we had 3 Flat Top's out there for those of you who remember that clown.

Our player definitely did not step out of bounds, not even close. The only way he could have made that call is if he anticipating the player stepping out, or i f he was blind. There was a good 6 inches of daylight between the player and the out of bounds line.

#45 was camping out in the lane all night. Once we counted him in there for 10 seconds, not one 3 second call all night.

They did show controversial calls on the overhead screen until the very end. KK, the athletically challenged leprechaun, probably put an end to that.

First game I have been to all year, hate to see it decided by the 3 stooges dressed up in striped shirts.

[Hold My Own]

But on a related note, I thought that controversial calls/no calls were not to be replayed on the TV screens?

They arent and if you notice they stopped during the Overtimes...b/c lord knows there were quite a few during the OT's that should have been replayed, but someone nipped that in the bud before the refs stopped play (again) to tell them they have to quite...and that's been do before

[LUphanatik08]

Is it possible for us to petition the Big South league office to make sure that those three referees from last nights game never officiate another Liberty basketball game? If I had my way, the next time those three stooges ever donned a pin-striped outfit would be when they got a second job at Foot Locker.

[dompennix]

I don't think one of the officials was as bad as the other two

[Hold My Own]

I don't think one of the officials was as bad as the other two

I disagree, the black official stood out to me as being worse then the other two...but they all were bad


but no petition will help...it's the downfall to have games on the weekend when being in the BSC

[Sly Fox]

How has this thread reached 30+ posts without Haze coming into remind us that the refs were actually correct in all of their calls?

[Fumblerooskies]

A game like last night with the officiating is the exact reason I generally do not go to basketball games. I cannot control either my temper or my words. Thus...I stay away from that which I know I am weak.

[JMUDukes]

Yeah, when you're losing you tend to let your words get the better of you, especially concerning the refs. Ours last night were ok, but a late no-call cost us a 1 pt home game.

[hurricane fan]

if you think they were bad, go to a D3 game or HS game. i've seen refs at D3 games not signal a shot clock violation when the team didn't even attempt a shot after 35 seconds. at a HS game i saw them call a back court violation when the team handed gotten even one foot or the ball in the front court, and you need all three to be in the front court before it can be back court. i would gladly take the refs from the game tonight compared to the pre-school caliber refs you get at a lot of D3 games, sure there are some good ones, but it's few and far between.

Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:09 am Post subject:

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How has this thread reached 30+ posts without Haze coming into remind us that the refs were actually correct in all of their calls?


Not Haze, but a fellow sporter of the stripes

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Ive seen Haze ref... He has no room to talk about good officials... Him talking about good officiating if like Christopher Reeve judging a dance contest.

[flameshaw]

I don't think one of the officials was as bad as the other two

Just my .02, the head official was bad, but was much better than the other two. If you would have brought in someone off the street who never refereed a game he/she could not have done any worse. Been to a lot of games, but have never seen worse, even at low level high school games.

[Champion]

I loved Scar and Ray. They seem to generaly try to give refs the benefit of the doubt. They let loose a bit on the refs last night. Loved the comment about the "zooperstars" taking over the ref duties.

[01LUGrad]

Scar does a great job...one thing though. The word "gremlin" was uttered about 6 times in 15 seconds. That scared me. I kept having flashbacks to my childhood lunchbox.

[dompennix]

Scar is the best broadcaster/dunker of all time!!

[Cider Jim]

The word "gremlin" was uttered about 6 times in 15 seconds. That scared me.

Was that a reference to KK, my high school car, or one of the Radford players?

[01LUGrad]

He said something along the lines of the following:
The gremlins are messing with the lights
The gremlins are putting the lid on the basket
The gremlins are messing with the refs
They better tell the gremlins to take the lid off of the basket

Stuff like that.

No mention of a car that I can remember, but I was throwing stuff at the TV due to the blown baseline call, so I could have missed it.

[blwall1416]

I didn't get to see most of the game due to me reffing another one.

I saw the intentional foul play on Seth & I knew some people wouldn't think it was the right call, but it was. By rule, grabbing of the jersey, away from the body, is automatic. If Seth could have done it without extending his arm, they would have just called a common foul. Every official knows about situational fouling at the end of the game, however this EXACT play is in the case book.

EVERY game gets reviewed....by the crew themselves, by the supervisor of officials for the league, & by others that have higher-level officiating experience. If the supervisor feels that he must, he will suspend the crew.

I have no idea how the officiating was, as I didn't see it......so I can't say that I agree/disagree with any of you. Just giving some insight as to how the process goes.

[blwall1416]

i've seen refs at D3 games not signal a shot clock violation when the team didn't even attempt a shot after 35 seconds....

Just one thing to remember is that at the D3 level, you'll get a lot of officials that are entry-level college officials. Believe it or not, it takes a few games to get adjusted to looking for a shot clock violation...........and even then, there is a possibility that it didn't start on time.......or it was never reset to a full 35......etc.......there's a ton of things going on & it just takes experience to "get the game to slow down."

[TIMSCAR20]

I didn't get to see most of the game due to me reffing another one.

I saw the intentional foul play on Seth & I knew some people wouldn't think it was the right call, but it was. By rule, grabbing of the jersey, away from the body, is automatic. If Seth could have done it without extending his arm, they would have just called a common foul. Every official knows about situational fouling at the end of the game, however this EXACT play is in the case book.

EVERY game gets reviewed....by the crew themselves, by the supervisor of officials for the league, & by others that have higher-level officiating experience. If the supervisor feels that he must, he will suspend the crew.

I have no idea how the officiating was, as I didn't see it......so I can't say that I agree/disagree with any of you. Just giving some insight as to how the process goes.

I had this discussion with a few flamefans after the game that didn't think it should have been called but objectively you had to call it. I said it on the air, I said it after the game and I appreciate the fact that an outstanding young man like yourself supports what I said.

[TIMSCAR20]

Scar is the best broadcaster/dunker of all time!!

Dom, these guys are going to think that I registered a different name to post on flamefans about myself

[SuperJon]

I think the biggest problem with the intentional that people had is two-fold:

a) It looked like Seth's hand was caught in the jersey when the kid ran away from him, not that he grabbed it. I only saw the one replay so I could be wrong.

b) The refs didn't call the DDT on Brolin or the blatant knee to the groin by JLH. Those were two obvious big time fouls that weren't called then they call a tough foul an intentional.

[LUconn]

That intentional just seemed so inconsistent with not only the physicality of the previous 48 minutes of play but also inconsistent with every other basketball end-game situation ever played. That's really the only thing I'd like for refs to do. Be consistent and don't try to make some kind of statement at one team's expense.

[Chris Lang]

I think the biggest problem with the intentional that people had is two-fold:

a) It looked like Seth's hand was caught in the jersey when the kid ran away from him, not that he grabbed it. I only saw the one replay so I could be wrong.

b) The refs didn't call the DDT on Brolin or the blatant knee to the groin by JLH. Those were two obvious big time fouls that weren't called then they call a tough foul an intentional.

The knee to the groin was from Phillip Martin, not Lynch-Flohr.

[olldflame]

The other problem I have is that even if Brolin had been out of bounds (which we all know he wasn't) isn't it still some kind of a foul to put an opponent in a headlock? I'd be interested in hearing from Haize or someone else who refs as to what is permitted or not in a dead ball situation after a violation has been called. It can't just be "no holds barred", but it sure looked like it Saturday night.