[Hold My Own]

count me in, plus SEVEN

Me plus 4

me plus how ever many people we can fit legally in my civic.

PCGuy would say that would be very Mexican of you if you could fit 10 in there...

[LUconn]

but coach said we have to play our game.

if you want to lose to VMI then you jack up threes. it's the same formula with every team that runs the ccrap they run. you shoot a bunch of 3s you lose 99% of the time. Patience is always key against such a system because if you are patient you can get layups or get fouled going for layups. Just look at what Jacksonville St. and UVA did: Jack. St. shot 12 threes the entire game and made 6, but they made 63.5% of their two pointers (33-52) and had 19 attempted FTs. UVA made 3 of their 16 threes (18.8%), but shot 63.5% from two point range (40-63) and had 76 on their 107 points in the paint (doesn't have points in paint for the jst. game, but considering their two point percentage I imagine it's obscenely high) alogn with 28 attempted FTs.

Now let's look at what D1 teams ahve done that have lost:
PResby: 42 points in the paint, 19 attempted threes, took only 39 two pointers (58.9%), 25 FTs
Coastal: 58 points in the paint, 20 attempted threes, 33 of 57 from two point range (57.9%), 16 FTs
CSU: 44 points in the paint, 17 attempted threes, 25 of of 44 on two pointers (56.8%), 24 FTs
GW: 59 points in the paint, 24 attempted threes, 31 of 58 on twos (53.4%), 11 FTs
Richmond: 32 points in the paint, 19 att. 3s, 20/42 twos (47.6%), 18 FTs
Army: 22 points in the paint, 15 attempted 3s, 16/39 twos (41%), 14 FTs
Campbell meeting #2: points in paint n/a, 12 attempted 3s, 26/49 twos (52.1%), 14 FTs
UNCA: points in paint n/a, 28 att. 3s, 20/36 twos (55.5%), 22 FTs
Winthrop: points in paint n/a, 14 att. 3s, 25/52 twos (48.1%), 10 FTs
Campbell: 64 points in paint, 11 att. 3s, 34/59 twos (57.6% ), 21 FTs
Kentucky: 70 points in paint, 16 att. 3s, 36/54 twos (66.6%), 33 FTs

So with the exception of Kentucky, who lost the game because their three point defense was awful, teams who get a ton of points in the paint and convert an extremely high amount of their two points baskets due to getting into the paint win the game. YOu don't win the game shooting threes at the expense of layups. Now you tell me what you should do, stick to the game plan and jack up a ton of 3s or look to penetrate to get easy two point baskets and get to the foul line. Only way you win the game shooting a bunch of threes is if you are lights out from long range, which won't happen for a full 40 minutes because you'll be too tired too, and play good three point defense. Just ask any decent coach who has had to play against VMI or teams who run a similar system to VMI, every single one will tell you that the formula to win is to limit the number of threes taken and to be patient so you can get layups, high percentage twos, and free throws.

I was just kidding. Because everyone thinks we jack up a lot of 3s. But we do have pretty poor perimeter D which you mentioned.

[LUconn]

Me plus 4

me plus how ever many people we can fit legally in my civic.

PCGuy would say that would be very Mexican of you if you could fit 10 in there...

ha, racist comments are now fair game if we preface it by saying "PC would say..."

[flamesfilmguy]

me plus how ever many people we can fit legally in my civic.

PCGuy would say that would be very Mexican of you if you could fit 10 in there...

ha, racist comments are now fair game if we preface it by saying "PC would say..."

actually we illegally fit 13 people in there one time... all of which were caucasian take that for what it is....

[jcmanson]

Presby 42 points in the paint, 19 attempted threes, took only 39 two pointers (58.9%), 25 FTs
Coastal: 58 points in the paint, 20 attempted threes, 33 of 57 from two point range (57.9%), 16 FTs
CSU: 44 points in the paint, 17 attempted threes, 25 of of 44 on two pointers (56.8%), 24 FTs
Campbell: 64 points in paint, 11 att. 3s, 34/59 twos (57.6% ), 21 FTs


teams who get a ton of points in the paint and convert an extremely high amount of their two points baskets due to getting into the paint win the game

I would say the above mentioned teams did what you said they needed to do and they lost.

In comparison, look at the stats from our games against them last year:

1/28/08 in Lexington, LU won 87-81 while shooting 35 3’s during the game and only 50% from 2 and only 32 points in the paint.

3/4/08 in Lynchburg, LU won 103-88 while shooting 35 3’s during the game and 53% from the field and only 28 points in the paint.

In those 2 games LU did the exact opposite of what you said and won.

[flamesbball84]

Presby 42 points in the paint, 19 attempted threes, took only 39 two pointers (58.9%), 25 FTs
Coastal: 58 points in the paint, 20 attempted threes, 33 of 57 from two point range (57.9%), 16 FTs
CSU: 44 points in the paint, 17 attempted threes, 25 of of 44 on two pointers (56.8%), 24 FTs
Campbell: 64 points in paint, 11 att. 3s, 34/59 twos (57.6% ), 21 FTs


teams who get a ton of points in the paint and convert an extremely high amount of their two points baskets due to getting into the paint win the game

I would say the above mentioned teams did what you said they needed to do and they lost.

In comparison, look at the stats from our games against them last year:

1/28/08 in Lexington, LU won 87-81 while shooting 35 3’s during the game and only 50% from 2 and only 32 points in the paint.

3/4/08 in Lynchburg, LU won 103-88 while shooting 35 3’s during the game and 53% from the field and only 28 points in the paint.

In those 2 games LU did the exact opposite of what you said and won.

2-26-08. Lu took 34 threes (half their shots, which plays right into VMI's hands right there), 20/34 twos 58.8%, 36 points in the paint.

What happened in that game? LU lost.

teams are 11-14 against VMI with this system (it is my understanding they didnt run it in the big south tournament two years ago, so I didnt count those games) when they attempt 20 or more threes. teams are 24-15 against that same system when attempting less than 20 threes.

VMI has been using this system for 2.5 years now, I think the formula for winning has been well established and can be clearly seen with the statistic above. Don't attempt 20 or more threes and you give yourself a much higher chance to won the game. Do you lose 99% of the time shooting more than 20 threes against them? No, but of course that was an exaggeration; however, on a 2.5 year sample of data, teams that do lose over 56% of the time while teams that don't win 61.5% of the time.

[DLP_Man]

Gotta say in a game like this you go inside because you want to get them in foul trouble as early as possible. The reason is that will slow them down. With constant changes in the line up and the slow down of play because of the free throws that would come, it would force them to slow up their tempo. Also, I know this sounds REALLY STUPID and OBVIOUS, but we have to make shots, but not for the reason you would think. If we force them to take it out instead of getting rebounds and push it up the floor, we slow up their offense. I don't like the chances of beating them at they're own game for two reasons:

1. They've been doing it alot longer

2. We haven't been shooting all that well in the first half, I really don't think we need the added burden of trying to comeback on the road

[LUconn]

Actually up until this year, we had a team basically built to beat them at their own game. I think that's one of the main reasons they changed their style to beat us in the tournament and then rode it to the final. But this is not previous years and not many of our guys have ever had to play this style or against this style. So who knows how it would work out. I do know, however, that we will never get anybody in foul trouble. Our strength, is supposed to be shooting. Although lately we seem a little cold.

[olldflame]

I think we actually have even more players who can play the VMI style now than 2 years ago. Only Smitty and Kyle have the experience, but Seth, Brolin, Jesse, Wheeler, and Stephene all have the athleticism and/or skills to be very effective in a run and gun game. By next year I think Dugger may need to slow it down against us like he did against LB, Brew and company.

[SuperJon]

So Manson, did you write on every player's wall or just a couple?

[Hold My Own]

Why does that even matter to you? Or even related to this thread?

[SuperJon]

Because all of them that popped up on my news feed were the same exact thing, all relating to the VMI game. Why does it matter? Are you just in first class **** mode tonight?

[Hold My Own]

dude, you just put someone on blast for no reason. They have PM's if it really did concern you...I'm not sure how it concerned everyone you presented it to...you knew what you were doing though.

[SuperJon]

I knew what I was doing? Uh, yeah. I was asking Manson if he wrote on everyone's wall or just a couple players. It's not like what he did was private. It probably showed up on at least 20 people on here's news feed.


I don't get what putting someone on blast means either. I guess I'm too white.

[jinxy]

Ill be there plus 2

Last trip I made to VMI Alex hung 40 on them and dbrew absolutely engulfed a vmi kid on a fast break dunk...

That being said I think VMI has more than their fair share of wins over bad teams as well. I think it will be an interesting matchup to say the least, I just hope we can close the deal for once

Does anyone remember the price, is it like $15

[Hold My Own]

OK jon I really have to get back to these CAD drawings so I'm done "e-fighting" with you...


you are correct though, that did involve everyone on FF and should not have been a PM

[sweetnahmah1]

Well, I'll be there with at least one roommate and maybe some other friends excluding LUnatics.

[jcmanson]

So Manson, did you write on every player's wall or just a couple?

Actually, if it’s about the VMI quote it was only 2. Next time I’ll ask for your permission.

[Cider Jim]

I picked up my 2 tickets from the FOC. They're 8 bucks for adults and only 5 dollars for students.

[SuperJon]

Cash only though.

[Cider Jim]

And the tickets are all General Admission, though in Convo the announcement said we would be sitting right behind the LU bench.

[olldflame]

They may tape/rope off a section for visiting fans even though it is general admission.

[SuperJon]

And the tickets are all General Admission, though in Convo the announcement said we would be sitting right behind the LU bench.

The only "reserved" seats at VMI are the red ones that you have to walk down to. The gray seats are all general admission. Generally speaking, the fans of the opposing team sit in the gray seats behind their team.

[NJLibertyboy]

Not necessarily the case. We talked to them today and VMI considers those seats in the upper level reserved behind the bench. If you buy those seats online it gives you an exact row and seat number to sit in. The only seats that are def GA are the ones behind the nets in the upper level. Best bet would be to get there early because VMI is expecting a huge turnout.

In regards to the VMI tickets we're selling at the ticket office it's $8 for adults, $5 (cash only) for students with a 4 ticket limit per person. We only have 100 of each to set to sell, and we already sold more than half of the student tickets today. We open again at noon tomorrow-5PM. I know some of this was mentioned earlier but I figured I would go through it again. The VMI ticket windows at Cameron open at 11:00 AM on Saturday if you still need to get tickets the day of the game.

[jcmanson]

Not necessarily the case. We talked to them today and VMI considers those seats in the upper level reserved behind the bench. If you buy those seats online it gives you an exact row and seat number to sit in. The only seats that are def GA are the ones behind the nets in the upper level. Best bet would be to get there early because VMI is expecting a huge turnout.

Are you contradicting SJ?

How dare you!