[fsn32]

Sorry Didnt go.. haha... It is LU Basketball... but you and I both know that you cant say they even closely resemble the same thing

OH my gosh... You are fighting a battle over supporting the program and you didn't go to support the Women's team in their biggest home game of the year... that may hurt your argument a tad.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Ok we have 5 wins in 6 games... If we keep winning how much is satisfactory to you after break?

[jmdickens]

if we win 5 of our next 6...then you will have 4,500 people at the next game

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Sorry Didnt go.. haha... It is LU Basketball... but you and I both know that you cant say they even closely resemble the same thing

OH my gosh... You are fighting a battle over supporting the program and you didn't go to support the Women's team in their biggest home game of the year... that may hurt your argument a tad.

It might, but its 2 Different programs... Im not a player, and im not a Coach, but i support Liberty Mens Basketball and thats what th argument is about nothing about girls basketball... So if it does thats fine, I try to go, but i have to work sometime

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Well we have break so that throws a damper on things, but i hope youre right... i think we should have 4500 at the next game though... but im only one guy inviting as many people as i can

[fsn32]

Sorry Didnt go.. haha... It is LU Basketball... but you and I both know that you cant say they even closely resemble the same thing

OH my gosh... You are fighting a battle over supporting the program and you didn't go to support the Women's team in their biggest home game of the year... that may hurt your argument a tad.

It might, but its 2 Different programs... Im not a player, and im not a Coach, but i support Liberty Mens Basketball and thats what th argument is about nothing about girls basketball... So if it does thats fine, I try to go, but i have to work sometime

It is more about loyalty than "programs"... I would say that 90% of the women's team and staff are at the men's games... also if you look in the crowd you will see a ton of Softball, Soccer and Volleyball players... a bunch of the men's team was there last night too.

Sure, people have to miss games, it was just poor timing in a "sell out for old LU, to get people to games" conversation that you mentioned that you didn't come to a pretty big game (men or women.)

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

OH my gosh... You are fighting a battle over supporting the program and you didn't go to support the Women's team in their biggest home game of the year... that may hurt your argument a tad.

It might, but its 2 Different programs... Im not a player, and im not a Coach, but i support Liberty Mens Basketball and thats what th argument is about nothing about girls basketball... So if it does thats fine, I try to go, but i have to work sometime

It is more about loyalty than "programs"... I would say that 90% of the women's team and staff are at the men's games... also if you look in the crowd you will see a ton of Softball, Soccer and Volleyball players... a bunch of the men's team was there last night too.

Sure, people have to miss games, it was just poor timing in a "sell out for old LU, to get people to games" conversation that you mentioned that you didn't come to a pretty big game (men or women.)

I support All Liberty Sports... ask SJ im at all the football games, and I do go to MOST of the womens games. This is the only home game i missed this year due to work, but i even went to UVA and watched them play... Poor Timing for the argument yes, but i didnt know it would happen.

[lureal]

studying late and wow like i said dickens is determined. wrong but determined. his coach d is a bad coach statement is a dramatic generalization. what his teams don't do what defend? play zone? pass?
make lay-ups? he is responsible for the staff we have and the talent on the floor to try and separate the two is again short-sighted but if that is how you choose to operate just admit it. then let's play the game of unrealistic expectations "he is only good if we win 24 games and get an NCAA win." you talk about showing ignorance. he is capable of getting a NCAA win but there are many breaks that must go your way against a high major to accomplish that great feat. first and foremost win the bsc which is not easy. winthrop was fortunate last year with their best team at home. however this level is about talent and coach d has the positioned the program to move the talent to the next level. alex is better than what he has had and supposedly lamont winters is like alex. the perimeters of lb, brew, smitty, bj, justin is the best i have seen, with tj bannister waiting in the wings. damien, tyler,rell and russell can all contribute to wins. until we daily deal with any situation it is difficult to be an authority. like we have always had talent is again shortsighted in my opinion. how does dickens know if a talent can function within the d1 structure and demands? maybe the player isn't physical? maybe he can't think the game? maybe the talent is injured like woodson and holland have been? that's all part of it. i appreciate the loyalty of those who are closest to coach d tbgbg, lubm and now hin it shows that there is momentum brewing from the inside which important in any organization. so keep fighting for coach d and the program because the competition on the outside is already fierce enough without tripping over politically motivated terrorist in our own camp.

[Hold My Own]

Will it ever stop...doubtful...but at least its not coming from Liberty Athletic staff (for the most part) like it once was...I can deal with those who have negative opinions about a program from the outside, heck there's even room for some neg opinions if you work outside of the athletic program but still for LU (VERY little room, but more so then within)...I even get a good giggle about those that were employed yet continue to get on here and be negative, it's like their way of "getting back @ LU," at some point they'll move on and let it go and realize, I'm still wrapped up in a school that I haven't received a pay check from in 8 years


I mean honestly, that's great if you still have passion for the school after no longer working for it...but if you continue to get on here and bash...to me that's being bitter, find another board

[jmdickens]

I know alot about LU....But may I ask who did that??? That is hilarious

[Sly Fox]

Do the math. Its obvious.

[jcmanson]

Goodness, I go away for 12 hours, and this board goes crazy. I think we need to see a celebrity deathmatch between TBGBG and dickens. That would be one wild match!

[TDDance234]

It is more about loyalty than "programs"... I would say that 90% of the women's team and staff are at the men's games... also if you look in the crowd you will see a ton of Softball, Soccer and Volleyball players... a bunch of the men's team was there last night too.

That is the key right there. That's a principle that goes down all the way to Jr. High/Middle School athletics. If you're an athlete from another sport, you come to support whatever program is playing.

That is one thing Coach Rocco did that I absolutely loved. He made that football team attend and cheer-on our winter sports, but most specifically soccer (where we had a pretty dang good team that almost went unnoticed).

Coach Dunton is trying to do the same thing by getting these players to reach out to the fans. After most home games he sends the players up to greet the fans and thank them for coming out to support them. It’s a great trend to start and the more the players becoming recognizable to the students, the more willing the students are to come out. For example, I’ve had a few classes with Rell this semester and we’ve become friends. Whenever I come to a basketball game, I’m more inclined to cheer him on because of a personal connection. That’s a big part that has been missing from Liberty Basketball and I see RD trying to change that culture here at LU.

[grm]

... it shows that there is momentum brewing from the inside ...."

LUreal is sneaking little subliminal messages inside his posts ...momentum "BREW" ing?

[TIMSCAR20]

The funny thing about this whole topic going heywire is that Dickens is at every game and supports the team. Haize comes to games and yes has a negative slant to most of his comments even the positve ones (due in part to his high IQ), but he is still on a board about Liberty and he still comes to games. I don't care if these guys like Randy Dunton or not. It is irrelevant. Randy is the coach, and some will always support him and some will always hate him. Jeff Meyer went through the same stuff guys. It just wasn't a public forum like we have with all this technology today. Let Dickens and others criticize coach. It is ok. As long as it doesn't get personal and try to tear down the program I am fine. I have been friends with RD for years and I was one of the people that supported his return. But honestly if he isn't getting the job done, I think that he would actually step down and I would support that too. But right now things are moving in a positve direction. Last year was tough on everyone including the fans. As long as we continue to support this team, to me you can say what you want about RD. That simply comes with being the coach of a division I program. It is folly to try to convert the so called haters to like Randy Dunton. It is not gonna happen and your energy can be better spent on something positive.

[TDDance234]

I don't care if these guys like Randy Dunton or not. It is irrelevant. Randy is the coach, and some will always support him and some will always hate him.

The nature of the beast. Anytime someone is a position of authority or a position of fame, they are criticized for their every move.

[grm]

So if they don't have to like Randy, do we have to like them?

[jmdickens]

correct grm....its about time you got something right

[Hold My Own]

your right scar, he would step down...and let me make one promise to anyone out there...if he does leave...he WILL NOT leave like former coach's (all sports) where it's a bitter end...I even go as far to say if allowed he'd be apart of the selection process or at least there for insight


Anyone who doubts that take a look at the first time he left...90% of us would have written off LU for not even having the decency to grant him an interview, yet he would call weekly to touch base and see how the University as a whole is doing....lucky for us that took place at a time when money spoke louder than anything therefore we created a search committee that was founded by that, and those things will no longer be happening, not as long as you put good people with great integrity like people like JB in leadership positions...those days are well behind us


If this ends, fine...but I promise you it wont end like the past

correct grm....its about time you got something right

Asinine

[bigsmooth]

great points SCAR, but the haters continue to harass dunton even if when we win saying he should be fired. since we all know the haters do this, why can't they just talk about the team and leave D out of it? the team has made a lot of progress, but the haters will not attribute it to dunton at all. i too am a friend of dunton, and i agree he would step down if he feels the program is digressing, but at this point it is not.

[TDDance234]

I think all of this is a moot point, unless the team turns around and falls straight on it's behind for the remainder of the season.

This team may be on the most talented we've had in awhile and possibly as deep as we've had in awhile. With some solid recruits coming in for next season and the addition of TJ Bannister, with an entire season of Brew, we're going to be a competitive team for awhile.

My biggest gripe with Dunton was the way the offense was ran last year (ok, the real question is, "we played offense?") but this year, I like what we're doing with the uptempo basketball and the motion which is getting us good clean looks at the basket. I have absolutely loved our offense against the zone. It's just spread the court and find Hubbard at the foul line extended for an easy jump shot, not rocket-science but we're finding ways to create unlike last season where it was isolation for LB every play.

[TIMSCAR20]

Smooth, my point is that they have a right to do so and that RD has to and has taken it like a man. It is not going to stop, we are not going to change folks minds on a message board or in person so it is a waste of energy to continue to run to his defense. Nothing needs to be defended but the lane in the Vines Center and our guys have been doing that pretty well of late. Notice that I rarely if ever get involved in any kind of RD discussions. It is pointless to me.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

The funny thing about this whole topic going heywire is that Dickens is at every game and supports the team. Haize comes to games and yes has a negative slant to most of his comments even the positve ones (due in part to his high IQ), but he is still on a board about Liberty and he still comes to games. I don't care if these guys like Randy Dunton or not. It is irrelevant. Randy is the coach, and some will always support him and some will always hate him. Jeff Meyer went through the same stuff guys. It just wasn't a public forum like we have with all this technology today. Let Dickens and others criticize coach. It is ok. As long as it doesn't get personal and try to tear down the program I am fine. I have been friends with RD for years and I was one of the people that supported his return. But honestly if he isn't getting the job done, I think that he would actually step down and I would support that too. But right now things are moving in a positve direction. Last year was tough on everyone including the fans. As long as we continue to support this team, to me you can say what you want about RD. That simply comes with being the coach of a division I program. It is folly to try to convert the so called haters to like Randy Dunton. It is not gonna happen and your energy can be better spent on something positive.

I dunno Scar... Maybe i am misunderstanding what youre saying, but I feel they have every right not to like Dunton. They can not like him, be negative, as long as they support in the game thats great, but on the other side of the coin, you know just as well as i do that players get on here and it doesnt help them any to get read negative things about the team. My whole point is you want him gona, FINE, but he wont be fired mid-season so just keep your mouth shut until the season is over because Why bring unwanted and not-needed negativity?

[Hold My Own]

I just hope the players understand some of the people we have on here...if not...let them know...we got people on here that threw LU under the bus when they hired Coach Green...saying how big of a mistake it was and stuff like that, I'm not saying they just didn't agree with the hire b/c that's normal but they went beyond disagreeing with the hire...I wish players and even coach's for that matter wouldn't even get on here and read anything, they don't need to see this stuff


Ohh yeah, the Coach Green thing worked out...pretty well and he was able to get 1 or 2 players of his own ...my point is you cant take this stuff but so serious...just let it roll off...I'd agree to leave Coach D out of everything but soon enough those who support will shut up and the only ones talking are those with hidden or agendas that stint back from years ago...and that's when it makes me want to speak up

[bigsmooth]

im done talking about this. i have and always will support the team and dunton. im not trying to change people's minds, but the constant negativity does no good. we all know who doe not like dunton, so why shoudl it be beaten into the gorund on a daily basis? if you want to question the plays and why the coaches do what they do, fine. but to constantly cry for his head is ricdiculous. with all of that said i hope we continue our success this year.