If roundball is your blood, this is the place to discuss the Flames as they move into the Ritchie McKay era for the 2nd time.

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By vabigpoppa
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kel varson wrote:
ToTheLeft wrote:He says "Superb basketball" for ODU... No, it's just terrible, lazy defense.
Relax. Our mvp is not even playing
sanders would have helped, but not enough to win
By thepostman
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having no depth is what killed us...ODU has the best front court we have seen all year I believe and we do not have enough bodies to throw at them and after using so much energy in the first half the second half it really showed how tired our guys were...you can call it lazy if you want...but that is what happens when you are banging with guys so much bigger with so much skill for so long...

having Jesse would've helped...but I still think we would've lost this game by 10, they were just too big and strong for us...but who knows...maybe Jesse would've made some much needed hustle plays and could've change this game completely...

such is life...it doesn't hurt us much at all...we just need to regroup and beat VMI on tuesday
By olldflame
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OK, let's see if you guys have learned anything since the UNCA debacle. The second half of this game was awful. Richie, in postgame said, "it seemed like we were happy to have played even with a good team for a half," He also said we WILL learn from this. I took it to mean that he will make sure of it. I expect there will be some tough love administered.

No real word on Jesse. "He is treating it agressively, and he's a tough kid, but we're not going to take a chance with his health or his career."
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By flames1971
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Well, at least they can learn from the loss and prepare themselves for the VMI game coming up! However, I was hoping for a sweep of all the CAA teams we play this season :cry:
By TylerBakersGonnaBGreat
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well that sucked... i never want to play on ESPN again
By olldflame
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TylerBakersGonnaBGreat wrote:well that sucked... i never want to play on ESPN again
:lol: Yep, I would be fine with that too, as far as the regular season is concerned. Obviously, conference finals are another matter!
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By kingaling42
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TylerBakersGonnaBGreat wrote:well that sucked... i never want to play on ESPN again
Certainly understand.. That's not exactly been working out for you guys this year...
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By whmatthews
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I knew he would chime in.
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By kingaling42
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Actually all things considered (cause I'm not here to ruffle feathers too much)- with all the other available pregame posts I could have quoted- I think that one was fairly harmless..
By sweetnahmah1
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how do you shoot 20% and let them shoot 70% in the 2nd half? unreal
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By 01LUGrad
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Back from the game. Ugh. Apparently we can only go down 10 3 times and come back. The 4th doesn't work. I think they slipped a lid on the basket in the second half. No more ESPN games, please!

By the way, I was sitting in the ODU old people section and I have never been around a bigger pack of whiners. Not making this up- LU committed a foul on EVERY play according to them (both offensive and defensive). I also heard that Seth was overrated and our shoes are ugly. I was also impressed with the pack of hecklers by the door. Very classy.
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By ToTheLeft
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Paging "inthebeginning".
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By Cider Jim
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Decent 1st half; the second half, though, was as painful as the Asheville game. :oops:
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By ODULU
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I didn't realize you guys were short a player. Our Senior only played a few minutes in the game and had to sit (bad back)

Our bigs are just different then most. Lee can take you off the dribble (didn't do that much today) or from below, and our best 3pt shooter isn't Finney (who went 4-4) it 6'8" Carter who shoots about 45%.

2 stats that made the difference.
ODU +12 rebounding

In paint scoring
LU 18 ODU 45.

Both young teams so we will see a similar matchup at your place next year. You guys travel well. I was sitting near your section in the 1st half. Every team has goofball fans, just ignore them. Hope you guys enjoyed the arena and atmosphere... not exactly like a night game, but still pretty good!!

Hope you get your player back and win out (including tournament)

I'm a former LU student so no animosity from me.

See ya next year... maybe I'll make a road trip with some of my LU grad buddies.
By grm
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Hey, it's not easy to win games, and sometimes you lose. The Flames are wrapping up a very fine season,
and, of course, coach wanted this game (national recognition, recruiting, and for a coach, sometimes you're only as good as your last outing) but the reality of this is that what counts is your league, and then the Tourney.

I know this is all obvious, but in the midst of heat of the battle, it can be hard to realize how good the war is going.
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By ODULU
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Just a few notes from the ODU blog to let you guys know most of the diehard ODU fans respect your team and following.
I'd vote today to add LU to the CAA and drop TU immediately.
Really nice showing by their fans, and we played a good team with a great second half.
I much prefer games that both team's fans care about, then to play in masoleums like at GSU, TU, or NE.

props to bringing a lot of fans.

Props to the Liberty fans for showing up in decent numbers today.

I gotta say GREAT job bringing LU fans to the Ted today. Thinking it was Liberty, OOC game in late february, 11 am game I thought it was going to be extremely laid back and nobody would have cared about the game...I know I was thinking that. Seeing so many Liberty fans there, we all pretty much realized we actually had to get up for this game. You know you do a good job of bringing fans on the road when you have more fans then VCU...VCU!!!! (arch rival 90 miles away)

I was impressed by their turnout...I could hear them on the video stream I was watching.
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By ToTheLeft
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We would love to be in the CAA. Trust us.
By Baldspot
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01LUGrad wrote:Back from the game. Ugh. Apparently we can only go down 10 3 times and come back. The 4th doesn't work. I think they slipped a lid on the basket in the second half. No more ESPN games, please!

By the way, I was sitting in the ODU old people section and I have never been around a bigger pack of whiners. Not making this up- LU committed a foul on EVERY play according to them (both offensive and defensive). I also heard that Seth was overrated and our shoes are ugly. I was also impressed with the pack of hecklers by the door. Very classy.
The ODU announcers were not any better. They stated their players were being mugged by Brolin several times and said Smith was doing his best WWE impersonation.
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By ODULU
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Baldspot wrote:
01LUGrad wrote:Back from the game. Ugh. Apparently we can only go down 10 3 times and come back. The 4th doesn't work. I think they slipped a lid on the basket in the second half. No more ESPN games, please!

By the way, I was sitting in the ODU old people section and I have never been around a bigger pack of whiners. Not making this up- LU committed a foul on EVERY play according to them (both offensive and defensive). I also heard that Seth was overrated and our shoes are ugly. I was also impressed with the pack of hecklers by the door. Very classy.
The ODU announcers were not any better. They stated their players were being mugged by Brolin several times and said Smith was doing his best WWE impersonation.
Trust us... we are not great fans of the current ODU radio team. There have been many emails to outrAD about getting some real pros. We had a guy that used to do national games but he signed on to the local foxsports radio station... so we got a part time disc jockey/weekend tv sports guy. Sometimes on close games the guy actually raises his voice with excitement when the other team hits a 3, and whispers, "hello" when we hit a clutch three.... um the listeners finally found out that "hello" was a good thing. :roll:

BTW that ESPNU announcer is notorious for calling us Old Dome.... :evil: don't get me started on that jack***!
By JMUDukes
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ODULU wrote:
Baldspot wrote:
01LUGrad wrote:Back from the game. Ugh. Apparently we can only go down 10 3 times and come back. The 4th doesn't work. I think they slipped a lid on the basket in the second half. No more ESPN games, please!

By the way, I was sitting in the ODU old people section and I have never been around a bigger pack of whiners. Not making this up- LU committed a foul on EVERY play according to them (both offensive and defensive). I also heard that Seth was overrated and our shoes are ugly. I was also impressed with the pack of hecklers by the door. Very classy.
The ODU announcers were not any better. They stated their players were being mugged by Brolin several times and said Smith was doing his best WWE impersonation.
Trust us... we are not great fans of the current ODU radio team. There have been many emails to outrAD about getting some real pros. We had a guy that used to do national games but he signed on to the local foxsports radio station... so we got a part time disc jockey/weekend tv sports guy. Sometimes on close games the guy actually raises his voice with excitement when the other team hits a 3, and whispers, "hello" when we hit a clutch three.... um the listeners finally found out that "hello" was a good thing. :roll:

BTW that ESPNU announcer is notorious for calling us Old Dome.... :evil: don't get me started on that jack***!
you mean Tony Mercutio? :lol: :lol: :lol:

as for the game, I tried to tell you, Lee is a BEAST. If you're shorthanded down low, you're screwed
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By jcmanson
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Does anyone know anything about Jesse? We have a fairly big game on Tuesday night, and I'm sure it would help to have him on the court.
By Ed Dantes
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JMUDukes wrote:
you mean Tony Mercutio? :lol: :lol: :lol:

as for the game, I tried to tell you, Lee is a BEAST. If you're shorthanded down low, you're screwed
Ughhh Mercurio is a joke, I'd love document how much of his time on his radio show goes to talking about sports versus how time goes to the infomercial guests ("we've got Pizza Hut pizza here at Dominion Floor Covering, and we're about to talk with Suzie Butler about the great deals you can get at Grafton Chevrolet in Newport News..."
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By BJWilliams
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I enjoy Ted Alexander (who does the men's games). Mercurio...Ive found him bearable. As for his sports talk show, Ive enjoyed it when he actually talked about sports...which as Ed describes isnt much anymore
By SuperJon
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The thing that changed the most in the second half to start ODU's run was that they stopped settling for jumpers. ODU would work the ball around and wait for an opening to take it underneath and then convert. After they did that a few times and got the lead built, we just gave in and stopped playing defense completely.

We played well in the first half. I told people I figured we'd be down then at halftime and we weren't. I was expecting a 5-10 point loss going into the game (optimistic we could win but not expecting it) and when I found out Jesse was hurt I pushed that number up to 10-15 points. Unfortunately it was a little more than that.

As for the fans, there were some good and some bad.

a) I was proud of how Liberty showed up. I was proud of the student turnout especially and how they all stayed to the end and cheered. It used to be there would be people behind us that would ask us to sit down if we were standing. Today I experienced something new and had four LU fans offer to move so that we could stand up and do our thing.

b) ODU has smart basketball fans. I loved that. It was something that I had never seen before. By smart basketball fans I mean they appreciated the little things. They were by no-means the rowdiest crowd I'd ever been around. However, one play that sticks out in my mind and is the best example of what I'm saying is when they took a free throw and missed, and then after the rebound got swatted around their point guard came up with it and reset at the top of the key. The entire arena clapped for that. It wasn't a spectacular play or anything other than an ordinary basketball play, but they appreciated it and cheered for it. That was pretty cool.

c) The ice cream song dance or whatever it was called was awesome. Had it only been the students doing it, I would've thought it was dumb. However, there were people all around the arena doing it. That's something that makes college basketball special.

d) With all of this being said, I was disappointed with the ODU student section. They have 18,569 undergraduates and had MAYBE 500-1000 of them at the game today that were active. C'mon, that's just bad. That's a very good basketball team in an amazing arena in maybe the top mid-major conference in America and only that many students showed up? That basketball team deserves better than that. Oh, and calling us Flamers? C'mon, you guys have to be smarter than that. Really? That's like saying "You Suck." It's something we've all heard that doesn't even phase us anymore.

e) I find it funny that ODU fans turned around to heckle our fans whenever their team did something good on the court. It was as if we were the ones that just got beat off the dribble or something. They spent almost as much time talking junk to us as they did cheering on their team. All we did was cheer on our team. I always laugh when other student sections start taunting the opposing team's section instead of cheering on their team. Isn't that counter-productive? VMI does it. Coastal does it. Now ODU did it. It just makes me laugh a little bit.

f) Funny thing happened after the game. About 20 of us were eating at Sobo and three of the ODU students came over and said they wanted to be good sports and instead of giving us a pitcher of beer they gave us a pitcher of water. They were trying to rub the whole Christian school thing in our faces but we just laughed it off. They ended up being your typical half-drunk student by talking crap when they left the restaurant.

g) While there were jerks like that, and the guy in the truck who drove by two and a half hours after the game and yelled "F--- you" at us, it was obvious to me they were the exception and not the rule. The rest of the ODU fans at Sobo talked to us, were polite with us, all of that good stuff. One guy even went as far as to apologize for "those a--hole fans who only show up once a year." I laughed pretty good at that.


All in all it was a good trip. I wish the outcome was different but hey, it's not. ODU would easily win the Big South. Next year in the Vines will be pretty fun as we will have all three post players and should have our other three guards we didn't have today. To think that we had four guys who could potentially start at times next year (and two that likely will) on the bench and still played a good first half shows that this program is heading in the right direction. We're not there yet, but we're getting there.


Last thing: The Ted is the second best arena in the state and there's a big gap between two and three. It was very nice. JPJ is obviously first, but for a mid-major school, that arena was absolutely perfect. It's easily the second nicest arena I've ever been in, and that includes Wake and VT. I don't have anything to base this on, but I would say it's Top 5 in all of mid-major basketball.
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By flamesfilmguy
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Anthony Smith just made #7 on the top 10 plays of the day.
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