[flamesbball84]

Nm

[flamesbball84]

You can keep giving me whatever PR statement your athletic department is pushing out for whenever someone makes fun of your 4 A program but I really only care about your % vs D1...or just LU....either or will do

LC has historically beaten their level of competition more often than LU has historically beaten their level of competition. It's a fact and the VaSID website proves it. I know it's hard to live with the fact that your D1 athletes haven't been doing better than our D3 athletes, but sorry it's a fact.

Want me to find out more information about how our athletes and athletic teams have consistently done better against our level than your athletes and athletic teams have done against your level?

I dont need any more info, I know you guys can compete at the 4A level....wouldnt win the state title every year, but I have no doubt you'd have a chance until a 16 year old drains a 3 and steals your dreams with no time left.....but then, there's always next year

Sucks too know that you aren't as competitive on your own level as a bunch of 4a junior high level scrubs doesn't it?

Every time you put down LC athletics just makes it look even worse that LU has been historically less competitive on their own level than LC has been on their level.

[coolhandluke]

LC has historically beaten their level of competition more often than LU has historically beaten their level of competition. It's a fact and the VaSID website proves it. I know it's hard to live with the fact that your D1 athletes haven't been doing better than our D3 athletes, but sorry it's a fact.

Want me to find out more information about how our athletes and athletic teams have consistently done better against our level than your athletes and athletic teams have done against your level?

I dont need any more info, I know you guys can compete at the 4A level....wouldnt win the state title every year, but I have no doubt you'd have a chance until a 16 year old drains a 3 and steals your dreams with no time left.....but then, there's always next year

Sucks too know that you aren't as competitive on your own level as a bunch of 4a junior high level scrubs doesn't it?

Every time you put down LC athletics just makes it look even worse that LU has been historically less competitive on their own level than LC has been on their level.

Oh my goodness. Are you even trying to compare two completely different levels? Div 3 athletes are div 3 for a reason. They were all mediocre to good high school athletes who didn't get any offers from div 1 or even div 2 schools. Dude, HMO has a point... LCA could probably beat LC in basketball.

I know one of your former basketball players (not going to say any names) and I used to play pick up with him in high school and usually my team won. Granted he was not a starter but he did come off the bench. I'm not trying to put down div 3 athletes, but they are d 3 for a reason... One of my friends plays for Randolph College and he is the man. He is a cool guy and he is a decent athlete, but he might not even make Liberty's team as a walk on. There is a big difference between div 3 and div 1!

[flamesbball84]

I dont need any more info, I know you guys can compete at the 4A level....wouldnt win the state title every year, but I have no doubt you'd have a chance until a 16 year old drains a 3 and steals your dreams with no time left.....but then, there's always next year

Sucks too know that you aren't as competitive on your own level as a bunch of 4a junior high level scrubs doesn't it?

Every time you put down LC athletics just makes it look even worse that LU has been historically less competitive on their own level than LC has been on their level.

Oh my goodness. Are you even trying to compare two completely different levels? Div 3 athletes are div 3 for a reason. They were all mediocre to good high school athletes who didn't get any offers from div 1 or even div 2 schools. Dude, HMO has a point... LCA could probably beat LC in basketball.

I know one of your former basketball players (not going to say any names) and I used to play pick up with him in high school and usually my team won. Granted he was not a starter but he did come off the bench. I'm not trying to put down div 3 athletes, but they are d 3 for a reason... One of my friends plays for Randolph College and he is the man. He is a cool guy and he is a decent athlete, but he might not even make Liberty's team as a walk on. There is a big difference between div 3 and div 1!

randolph is a pretty bad team too. But the point is that our d3 athletes are competing better against others on their D3 level than LU athletes are competing with others on their D1 level and the winning percentages prove it.

[SeoulFlame]

Ok you win, happy? There's this guy named Anthony Smith that could be playing in the NBA...any LC NBA prospects out there (i couldn't help myself).

[flamesbball84]

Ok you win, happy? There's this guy named Anthony Smith that could be playing in the NBA...any LC NBA prospects out there (i couldn't help myself).

Anthony Smith in the NBA isn't going to happen, at least not this year that is. You don't shoot under 30% as a shooting guard in the worst summer league there is and get in the NBA. It's a nice thought, but sorry it ain't happening this year.

No NBA prospects this year, but our top player (Mason Wooldridge), at the end of the school year, was planning on playing pro overseas. Haven't talked to him since the end of the school year, so I don't know if ever actually pursued it or not.

[olldflame]

A perfect demonstration of the difference between D1 and D3 Shuck. You HAD to TELL US who your top player is, because NOBODY here knows or cares!

[flamesbball84]

A perfect demonstration of the difference between D1 and D3 Shuck. You HAD to TELL US who your top player is, because NOBODY here knows or cares!

And I care how? That doesn't change the fact that our D3 teams historically have been more competitive on our level than your D1 teams have historically been on their level

[Liberty4Life]

Can we just end the discussion here?

Liberty's athletics would kill LC's. No surprise here; Lynchburg College is a D-III school and thus, cannot attract the caliber of athlete that would consider Liberty.

Lynchburg College has a better academic reputation that LU, even though LC isn't exactly in the Ivy League of the South.

SAT of the bottom 25th percentile of students at LC: 470 / 470 (450 / 430 at LU)
SAT for the top 25th percentile of students at LC: 560 / 610 (580 / 560 at LU)

(and keep in mind that not everyone at LU submitted an SAT score. Some submitted the lesser-renowned ACT, and some didn't. It's possible that they didn't want to submit it because their score wasn't very good, and LU admitted them anyway).

[UNCA Alum]

Given their dominance in the D3 ranks, I suspect we will be seeing a move up to D2 from LC in the near future?

[flamesbball84]

Can we just end the discussion here?

Liberty's athletics would kill LC's. No surprise here; Lynchburg College is a D-III school and thus, cannot attract the caliber of athlete that would consider Liberty.

Lynchburg College has a better academic reputation that LU, even though LC isn't exactly in the Ivy League of the South.

SAT of the bottom 25th percentile of students at LC: 470 / 470 (450 / 430 at LU)
SAT for the top 25th percentile of students at LC: 560 / 610 (580 / 560 at LU)

(and keep in mind that not everyone at LU submitted an SAT score. Some submitted the lesser-renowned ACT, and some didn't. It's possible that they didn't want to submit it because their score wasn't very good, and LU admitted them anyway).

Fair enough for me. I'll even agree to remove my signature (which you'll see at the end of this post) and not make anything that resembles disparaging comments on LU so long as disparaging comments about LC are not made, unless otherwise warranted - such as if LC does a week long memorial on Hitler or someone at LU comes out and says the weakness of the economy is because of God's wrath over the increasing number of homosexuals in the USA.

[flamesbball84]

Given their dominance in the D3 ranks, I suspect we will be seeing a move up to D2 from LC in the near future?

No, it's never been in consideration. The administrative preferences within the athletic department and other key areas prefer the philosophy behind DIII as opposed to DII. We'd have to have some pretty major change in leadership all across campus for any movement amongst divisions to take place.

[Sly Fox]

Forgive my ignorance, this "historical" discussion has me asking some questions. How many national championships has LC won? Not trying to be rude, I just have never heard of LC excelling in any sport during my years of being familiar with the school.

[Kolzilla41]

Numbers for the University Division (D1s) isn't available yet for this year, so I have to go with data from the 07-08 school year. Liberty's athletic teams boasted a .566 winning percentage, LC's athletic teams had a .615 winning percentage. And that included our absolutely dreadful men's basketball team and both tennis teams. Advantage: LC

2007-08: LC .615, LU .556
2006-07: LC .531, LU .525
2005-06: LC .541, LU .519
2004-05: LC .614, LU .497
2003-04: LC .574, LU .493

Great job by LU to improve each and every year, it is certainly commendable and that is not sarcasm whatsoever

are you really quoting winning % from what would be considered 4 AAAA competition if it was a high school?

LC's D3 athletes competing against D3 athletes are doing a better job than your D1 athletes competing against other D1 athletes. Each school is competing against teams at their level, and LC has historically performed at their level better than LU has performed at their level. That's a fact, the winning percentages don't lie. If you don't like it, then I recommend contacting Scott Musa at Shenandoah since he is the President of VaSID, the organization which does the all-state survey where I got thse numbers from.

We play Clemson, Duke and North Carolina in MBB and WVU, Wake Forest in football. What prestigous school does LC play?

[jcmanson]

Shuk, just go over to LC's message board and leave us alone already.

Oh wait...

[coolhandluke]

A perfect demonstration of the difference between D1 and D3 Shuck. You HAD to TELL US who your top player is, because NOBODY here knows or cares!

And I care how? That doesn't change the fact that our D3 teams historically have been more competitive on our level than your D1 teams have historically been on their level

That's like someone saying... I got a gold medal in the special olympics and you only got a bronze in the regular olympics, so I am a better than you!

Either way you're still retarded...

[flamesbball84]

A perfect demonstration of the difference between D1 and D3 Shuck. You HAD to TELL US who your top player is, because NOBODY here knows or cares!

And I care how? That doesn't change the fact that our D3 teams historically have been more competitive on our level than your D1 teams have historically been on their level

That's like someone saying... I got a gold medal in the special olympics and you only got a bronze in the regular olympics, so I am a better than you!

Either way you're still retarded...

Either way, that's a stupid analogy devoid of any logic or fact whatsoever, and we're still more competitive on our level than LU is on their level.

[flamesbball84]

Forgive my ignorance, this "historical" discussion has me asking some questions. How many national championships has LC won? Not trying to be rude, I just have never heard of LC excelling in any sport during my years of being familiar with the school.

We play Clemson, Duke and North Carolina in MBB and WVU, Wake Forest in football. What prestigous school does LC play?

None in the D3 era that I'm aware of. Our records from before D3 existed, when we were an NAIA school, are pretty close to being non-existent, so no one really knows much from those days. I do know for a fact, however, that our men's indoor/outdoor track and field team has produced 11 combined national champion athletes in the D3 era, with the first one coming in 1986 by Major Tallent (pronounced like talent, and yes that was his real name believe it or not). Does LU have any national champions other than Josh McDougal? I don't know of any others and I didn't see any posted on the website anywhere.

According to the Old Dominion Athletic Conference website, we are second in the conference with 138 ODAC championships (hasn't been updated since november 2007, however), only trailing Washington & Lee who had 152, and who I will admit that they are better than us in overall athletic success. At the time those numbers were updated, the next closet school was Roanoke at 88, so yeah it's basically been LC and W&L controlling the ODAC since it's creation. Men's Lacrosse, women's soccer, men's and women's outdoor and indoor track, men's and women's cross country, softball, and field hockey are consistently ranked in the top 20/25 or in the top 5 of the region (as you will see why that's important in the following paragraph) virtually every year and often make the NCAA tournament (or in the case of track, sending players to the national championship meet) and win some games in the tournament most of the time. I have to say in my opinion that is considered to be excelling.

D3 is different from D1 in a multitude of aspects, but the D3 philosophy emphasizes regional competition, and one of the major factors when selecting at large bids for NCAA Tournaments is a team's record against in-region competition and the SOS in-region, so making sure you do well against good competition in the region is fairly important, which is why northeastern teams dont normally venture down to the south for regular season competition too particularly often. However, with that in mind, here are some of the top D3 teams in various sports we will play this upcoming year or have played within the past 4-5 years:
Randolph-Macon, Guilford, Hampden-Sydney, Virginia Wesleyan, Roanoke, Christopher Newport, Washington & Lee, Stevenson (formerly known as Villa Julie), Denison, Cabrini, Salisbury, Washington College, Haverford, NC Wesleyan, Methodist, Ferrum, Johns Hopkins, Emory Univ. (GA), York (PA), North Carolina Wesleyan, Mary Washington, Bridgewater, DePauw, Ithaca, Muskingum, Ursinus, William Smith, Johns Hopkins, Messiah, The College of New Jersey, Elizabethtown, Eastern Mennonite, Lebanon Valley, Rowan, Gettysburg, Alvernia

[coolhandluke]

And I care how? That doesn't change the fact that our D3 teams historically have been more competitive on our level than your D1 teams have historically been on their level

That's like someone saying... I got a gold medal in the special olympics and you only got a bronze in the regular olympics, so I am a better than you!

Either way you're still retarded...

Either way, that's a stupid analogy devoid of any logic or fact whatsoever, and we're still more competitive on our level than LU is on their level.

You are a moron. That LC education is really working out for you huh? When someone proves you wrong just keep on arguing your weak point. Good tactic...

And mine is a good argument because the comparison between d3 and d1 is so different, its like comparing the special olympics to the regular olympics.

[flamesbball84]

You are a moron. That LC education is really working out for you huh? When someone proves you wrong just keep on arguing your weak point. Good tactic...

And mine is a good argument because the comparison between d3 and d1 is so different, its like comparing the special olympics to the regular olympics.

I have proven over and over again with statistical fact our team win more often than LU's. Show me statistical fact, instead of your silly little statements that no fact or logic behind them, that can disprove that for the past 5 years. You may think it's a weak point, but at least my point has statistical fact to support it, only thing supporting your argument is your emotions,

[ToTheLeft]

Man, some of us (me included) get trolled by this clown so easily.

You guys can't deny the stats he's brought, so he won't shut up about them. D3 teams play D3 teams, and his D3 team wins more often against similar competition than we do against ours, overall in every sport, combined.

Arguing that LU is better isn't really a good point, because that's not what he's arguing. Really, we just make ourselves look stupid calling them a bunch of retards when they win more on their level than we do. They might be AAAA, but they beat other AAAA teams more often than we beat Division 1 teams, at least over the last few years.

None of this means LC is more prestigious or meaningful, because it's not. No one cares about D3 athletics, which is why I couldn't find any stats on them to try and prove a point, like comparing sport by sport RPI's and SOS's...

LC is like a really good Minor League/Independent League baseball team. They might win all the time, but the only time you ever hear about them is if they do something impossible, or if someone good comes out of the team and makes it on an actual stage.

[UNCA Alum]

Off topic, but does LC have a Quiz Bowl team? If so, LU will play you any time, any where.

No, but LC has an ethics bowl team.

Guess this guy wasn't a member of that ethics team. Though I guess it could have formed after he already left campus.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02002.html

[flamesbball84]

Off topic, but does LC have a Quiz Bowl team? If so, LU will play you any time, any where.

No, but LC has an ethics bowl team.

Guess this guy wasn't a member of that ethics team. Though I guess it could have formed after he already left campus.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02002.html

The VFIC ethics bowl competition began in 1999, I assume LC's team started no earlier than that since that's what they competition they compete in.

[flamesbball84]

Man, some of us (me included) get trolled by this clown so easily.

You guys can't deny the stats he's brought, so he won't shut up about them. D3 teams play D3 teams, and his D3 team wins more often against similar competition than we do against ours, overall in every sport, combined.

Arguing that LU is better isn't really a good point, because that's not what he's arguing. Really, we just make ourselves look stupid calling them a bunch of retards when they win more on their level than we do. They might be AAAA, but they beat other AAAA teams more often than we beat Division 1 teams, at least over the last few years.

None of this means LC is more prestigious or meaningful, because it's not. No one cares about D3 athletics, which is why I couldn't find any stats on them to try and prove a point, like comparing sport by sport RPI's and SOS's...

LC is like a really good Minor League/Independent League baseball team. They might win all the time, but the only time you ever hear about them is if they do something impossible, or if someone good comes out of the team and makes it on an actual stage.

Or if you watch the WSET or read the N&A - I know Dennis Carter and Justin Feldkamp like covering our stuff and Chris Humphries from the N&A enjoys writing on our games.

[ToTheLeft]

Exactly, within Lynchburg. People all over the US are familiar with Liberty Athletics, and can get information on them easily if they want, which some do. That's why FlameFans has thousands of sports related posts, and the LC message... oh wait.