[Rooster Cogburn]

Said that 2 days ago

[kingaling42]

To defend Kingaling, this name was started by some of our own Mom

My apologies to Kingaling. But it still offends me, whoever started it. I guess it was meant to be humorous.

Glad to see someoneelse on here actually care about this kind of stuff.

Yeah- easy there Mom- I'm quoting your own board members (& ruffling feather's as well!).. I simply voiced my 2 cents on the reasons people may have left Seth off of the First team.. it's kinda like debating whether Kobe or Steve Nash deserved the MVP most 2 years ago- it simply depends on what folks think is most valuable.. being the best player or being the best player that the team really depends upon... part of it may be because he's a freshman- but I have no issues with his freshan status at all..

Think of it this way- forget about what Seth does or does not do as well as we each believe.. the question is how much does LU NEED Seth's production.. Now LU would not be as good as they were this year without him- no question about it- But would they be that much worse for it?? Doesn't LU have other guys who could've stepped up with more production if those 30 attempts a game weren't used by Seth?? There are other players in the Big South this year that were far more valuable to their teams than Seth was, because LU has others good players.. Take HP for example- you can see that Harris, especially with his double-double output makes HP much better than they would be without him- thus that makes Harris all that much more valuable on a poor team.. Seth's situation is similar to Reid- UNCA wouldn't be as good without our lone senior, but I don't know that we would've been all that much worse either- probably would've lost a couple more games.. Jamarco Warren & CSU also have Omar Carter, etc..

For all you other numbers folks- I think that J F-L is a joke on First team,

The player that I do think deserved it more than Seth for the 5th spot is TRAVIS HOLMES.. granted that part of it's VMI's style but he has far better numbers than the Golden Child (is that better than "Baby Jesus"??) in 5 less minutes of play per game

Travis' numbers this year..
19.5 pts (3rd BS rank) Curry is 2nd at 20.5
6.0 boards (10th) Curry not ranked
.503% FG% (6th) Curry is 11th
4.28 Assists (5th) Curry not ranked
3.32 steals (2nd) curry not ranked
1.45 assist/TO ratio (8th) Curry not ranked

Add that they're the 2nd best team in the league- ahead of LU & I believe he deserved the First team more than Seth- & that has nothing to do with Seth being freshman- again- just my opinion...

EDIT: Also as a side note- let me make it clear- I can't stand the Holmes twins for their badmouthing of UNCA not giving them any looks when they went to HS here locally (actually no one did at the D-1 level until Duggar moved from the NAIA program where they were considering to go to VMI- which is the only reason they went D-1 out of HS)- UNCA had only 1 scholarship to give after signing Reid Augst & with them being a package deal I'm not sure why they constantly badmouth UNCA- I think they wanted to be Bulldogs deep down, it's cool!

[SuperJon]

Liberty was looking at the Holmes twins but only wanted Travis. They wanted to go somewhere together.

[kingaling42]

Liberty was looking at the Holmes twins but only wanted Travis. They wanted to go somewhere together.

Exactly- they limited their own looks because the word was out that they wanted to go together- it worked out for them though & that's cool, but their bitterness is really unnecessary..

[Chris Lang]

Another UNCA fan here. King is my boy, but we disagree on some things. I think:

1) Seth Curry and Amir Johnson should have been first team.
2) Anthony Smith and Joey Lynch Flower should have been second team.

I also do not think that there is a huge media conspiracy against Liberty. Who was picked preseason player of the year?

The people that vote for these awards are just as stubborn as the people posting on these forums. They don't like admitting when they are wrong. While most of us would agree that it shouldn't play a factor, their picks for preseason honors absolutely have an impact on who they vote for five months later.


Scar - what's up man. Caught a few Liberty games this year on the Edge just so I could hear ya do the color. Outside of Brendan from UNCA, you are definitely the best in the Big South.

Loved you in the second half of our game at the Vines. SEAN SMITH IS OFFICIALLY ON FIRE!!

Just to give you my perspective, since I vote, I can't remember who I voted preseason all-league.

Seriously.

[UNCA Alum]

Didn't Travis miss a significant number of games due to illness?

If so, I can understand why he was on the second team. And you could probaly make a case that he shouldn't have been on that one either. In a ten team league with so many deserving players.... you should have to play in a large, large majority of your teams conference games in order to get all-conference consideration.

[kingaling42]

Travis' played in 4 less games than Chavis did.. I did not consider that, but he still has better numbers than Seth per game & would still be my pick personally...

[paradox]

Thanks for trying to set us all straight, but you're gonna have a hard time convincing anyone who's been following Seth's games that he is not at the very least, a first-teamer. And after re-reading this thread, and counting the nine times that you stated, "he's shouldn't be a first-teamer," I'm begining to wonder if you even believe it yourself.

But ya know what, we'll just be happy with Seth being Seth, while he hits all of those clutch shots in crunch time, and opens things up for the others with all of the attention he draws. And you can just go on acting like Realist. We don't mind.

[thepostman]

I disagree that we wouldn't be hurt too much this year without seth kingaling...seth is very, very important to our team...without him we would be struggling to be .500

[kingaling42]

And that's the beauty of these message boards- we can agree to disagree.. I would worry about you if you didn't feel strongly about Seth's value.. I half-heartedly say that Reid doesn't mean as much as he really does for UNCA, but I also have faith that other guys would/should step up without those types of players.. But don't EVER compare me to Realist- I've been here long enough & although I don't buy everything you're selling- I'm still making some points to many of you..

IMHO Travis had a better year for his team though & I'll leave it at that- if you prefer Curry over Smith then that's your own deals but LU only merited 1 guy on the First team- I agree that Smith was that guy- you feel differently- that's fine too!

We all seem to agree that Joey had no business being there... I hear that Kool-Aid has side effects like everything looks better, be careful Flames faithful- coming down off of that stuff could be harsh!!

[Champion]

Congratulations to Seth on yet another 2nd team performance last night. Another sub-par 30 point performance. (yes, I am being sarcastic)

[kingaling42]

Congratulations to Seth on yet another 2nd team performance last night. Another sub-par 30 point performance. (yes, I am being sarcastic)

Yep- Reid Augst also hung 27 on the Defensive POY last night- that's no point!!

[olldflame]

Maybe Joey could do a Danny Gathings and give his all-conference plaque (or whatever it is he gets) to the person he feels deserves it.

[UNCA Alum]

Just to give you my perspective, since I vote, I can't remember who I voted preseason all-league.

Seriously.

Interesting.

It just seems like in the past that players who received preseason honors also received somewhat questionable post season honors. I think a case could be made that it happened this year with Anthony Smith. Preseason player of the year, but I don't think he had a First Team All-Conference season in relation to other individuals in the conference.

Now that I think about it, it probably has less to do with writers being stubborn and more to do with guys going by reputation as opposed to actual results. Especially since, as has been mentioned, voters only watch the games they covered and most probably don't watch more than 8-12 Big South games in person.

[olldflame]

Congratulations to Seth on yet another 2nd team performance last night. Another sub-par 30 point performance. (yes, I am being sarcastic)

Yep- Reid Augst also hung 27 on the Defensive POY last night- that's no point!!

That was a big-time performance by Augst, although Mantoris should not have been defensive POY. Your own guy Williams can guard multiple positions, and against common opponents during conference play he had more blocked shots than Cruz Daniels.

[ToTheLeft]

Yeah, I was thinking Williams would have been a better choice for DPOY... Manta Ray Robinson just doesn't seem to be that great. I mean, Winthrop as a team plays good defense... but that doesn't mean Manta should just be handed the award. I wasn't impressed by him when he came to the Vines...

If I had to pick, the best defender I saw all year was Kyle Ohman. But he wasn't going to get votes either, and I am a little biased... I can't think of a guy from another team that stands out as a good defender...

and I still think Brolin is good on D. Maybe I was stretching it with DPOY considerations (okay, that was definitely a stretch), but he's a solid defender...

Oh well.

[kingaling42]

I thought Cruz Daniels Or John would get it- although Manny is very versatile & has really long arms which make him quite the nuisance.. John's obviously my guy & I think he's a phenomenal athlete- but his stamina is questionnable at best- it's something that if he can work on, he'll be quite a force on the defensive side of the ball for us..

Reid's probably the best in the league at making back door cuts against the overplay & he ate Mantoris up early- Manny had to play him more straight up the rest of the game...

[Chris Lang]

Brolin can be good on D. He just hasn't been of late. He's out of position constantly, forcing him to overplay to compensate. And he got his ankles broken by Steven Sexton at CCU. That's inexcuseable.

[ToTheLeft]

Brolin can be good on D. He just hasn't been of late. He's out of position constantly, forcing him to overplay to compensate. And he got his ankles broken by Steven Sexton at CCU. That's inexcuseable.

I guess I am not as much about fundamentals and more about effort and activity on defense.

Brolin is always hands up, getting into passing lanes, goes for kick balls, being active and making the ball handler work hard to get the ball where he wants it to go.

[ToTheLeft]

But yeah, Sexton giving him the And-1 treatment isn't doing himself any favors.

[Cider Jim]

Chris, I noticed last night at the end of the game that Coach McKay was doing a repeated offense-defense substitution with Baker & Brolin, which really paid off at the foul line for Baker. That's just good coaching!

[Chris Lang]

Absolutely, Jim. Especially the way Baker has been hitting free throws lately. Brolin's still a better defender than Baker, too, so it's a smart move. I don't mean to be hating on Floyd. But if he gets the fundamentals together, he has the potential to be a defensive monster.

[g-webb1994]

Lynch-Flohr didn't deserve first team. Should have had either Augst or the tough Coleman kid from PC ahead of him at forward.

I think they got it right putting Smith on there ahead of Seth. Seth will be on it for the next three years, and Smith deserves the honor.

As for preseason teams, I think they are nothing more than conversation-starters, like preseason polls. Flittner was preseason first team, and had he stayed healthy, I don't think he would have made first team Big South, even if G-W had won three or four more games. I also believe Holmes should have been POY. Just my two cents.

[soccer7]

(just like Big Bro has these past 4 years!)
something about me checking facts before posting- I dunno, I know that's crazy huh!!

I am sure glad that I check my facts because Big Bro is finishing his third year at Davidson.

[kingaling42]

Haha..