[LUconn]

throw enough $$ in to promoting it, enough people may swallow it for new and improved.

Alright, now you're getting carried away. Let's not act like we just lost in the 1st round, if you catch my drift.

[SuperJon]

Not only is it a physical mismatch, but George is in Alex's head.

Disagree completely. Alex knows what Kenny is and Kenny knows how good Alex is. Their attitudes about the game last night were the way I like to see kids play.

[checkmate]

Not only is it a physical mismatch, but George is in Alex's head.

Disagree completely. Alex knows what Kenny is and Kenny knows how good Alex is. Their attitudes about the game last night were the way I like to see kids play.

SJ is right two really talented competitors tha go to work. At least if AM is in the game and gets touches.

[SuperJon]

I'm talking about their attitudes on the court. They were having fun playing the game. They were jawing at each other but it was in a fun way. Both respected each other and knew how good the other was.

[JDUB]

i noticed many times when KG would be looking at ace or someone there was a perfect opportunity for a backdoor, but no one ever cut. I would have like to have seen that thrown into the game plan, as we would have been doing layups like UNCA was against us on the other end of the court...

[LUconn]

i noticed many times when KG would be looking at ace or someone there was a perfect opportunity for a backdoor, but no one ever cut. I would have like to have seen that thrown into the game plan, as we would have been doing layups like UNCA was against us on the other end of the court...

I'm glad you mentioned that. A few times, I thought they were doing exactly that. Only what I thought was a slasher, was actually just rotating to the other side to get position.

[SuperJon]

That's one of those things that I thought we should do. I liked the original game plan of spread it out, drive and kick, but if we had a back door layup we should've taken it. That's the one thing I didn't understand.

[olldflame]

You made our point for us checkmate. Alex had a productive night BECAUSE of the way McKay utilized him. He put up those numbers when George was on the bench. If Richie had tried to match him up with George and challenge him, it would have been a disaster, as we have seen the past 2 years. Not only is it a physical mismatch, but George is in Alex's head. That part of the plan worked. The part where our 5 guard lineup took advantage of the open perimiter looks they got due to Kenny's lack of mobility did not.

HAHAHAHAHHA We Didnt take advantage of perimeter looks at all... Look at the stat line.

Read what I wrote again TBGBG. I said that this was the part of the plan which did NOT WORK. if we hit a few more shots, it does. It was not the plan which was faulty, but the execution. Some of the comments being made here remind me of the old Mike Tyson line.... "everybody's got a plan, until they get hit in the face." It's real easy to say on a message board that we should have challenged George more, we should have pushed him out further

Who's gunna do it? Not anybody here, that's for sure, and IMHO noone on our team or in our conference, and very few in the NCAA. Even Psycho T had to take extra steps to get his famous dunk on George. He doesn't play for Liberty, and if he did, the ref would have called traveling on that play.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

You made our point for us checkmate. Alex had a productive night BECAUSE of the way McKay utilized him. He put up those numbers when George was on the bench. If Richie had tried to match him up with George and challenge him, it would have been a disaster, as we have seen the past 2 years. Not only is it a physical mismatch, but George is in Alex's head. That part of the plan worked. The part where our 5 guard lineup took advantage of the open perimiter looks they got due to Kenny's lack of mobility did not.

HAHAHAHAHHA We Didnt take advantage of perimeter looks at all... Look at the stat line.

Read what I wrote again TBGBG. I said that this was the part of the plan which did NOT WORK. if we hit a few more shots, it does. It was not the plan which was faulty, but the execution. Some of the comments being made here remind me of the old Mike Tyson line.... "everybody's got a plan, until they get hit in the face." It's real easy to say on a message board that we should have challenged George more, we should have pushed him out further

Who's gunna do it? Not anybody here, that's for sure, and IMHO noone on our team or in our conference, and very few in the NCAA. Even Psycho T had to take extra steps to get his famous dunk on George. He doesn't play for Liberty, and if he did, the ref would have called traveling on that play.

None of the game plan worked, Obviously

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

I take that back, the part of making him look funny running from the bench to the court a million times, that part worked

[inthebeginning]

You made our point for us checkmate. Alex had a productive night BECAUSE of the way McKay utilized him. He put up those numbers when George was on the bench. If Richie had tried to match him up with George and challenge him, it would have been a disaster, as we have seen the past 2 years. Not only is it a physical mismatch, but George is in Alex's head. That part of the plan worked. The part where our 5 guard lineup took advantage of the open perimiter looks they got due to Kenny's lack of mobility did not.

HAHAHAHAHHA We Didnt take advantage of perimeter looks at all... Look at the stat line.

Read what I wrote again TBGBG. I said that this was the part of the plan which did NOT WORK. if we hit a few more shots, it does. It was not the plan which was faulty, but the execution. Some of the comments being made here remind me of the old Mike Tyson line.... "everybody's got a plan, until they get hit in the face." It's real easy to say on a message board that we should have challenged George more, we should have pushed him out further

Who's gunna do it? Not anybody here, that's for sure, and IMHO noone on our team or in our conference, and very few in the NCAA. Even Psycho T had to take extra steps to get his famous dunk on George. He doesn't play for Liberty, and if he did, the ref would have called traveling on that play.

Is it oldflames die hard? We got kicked in the teeth by the plan. It did not get the job done and the only adjustment was to foul too early in late game situations. Not only foul but the best ft shooter in the BSC. We looked like we had no idea of what to do that was sound basketball in that situation. If I was you I would save my fuel in hopes something in the future may give you a reason to burn.
This one was a rout in the last ten minutes.

[olldflame]

HAHAHAHAHHA We Didnt take advantage of perimeter looks at all... Look at the stat line.

Read what I wrote again TBGBG. I said that this was the part of the plan which did NOT WORK. if we hit a few more shots, it does. It was not the plan which was faulty, but the execution. Some of the comments being made here remind me of the old Mike Tyson line.... "everybody's got a plan, until they get hit in the face." It's real easy to say on a message board that we should have challenged George more, we should have pushed him out further

Who's gunna do it? Not anybody here, that's for sure, and IMHO noone on our team or in our conference, and very few in the NCAA. Even Psycho T had to take extra steps to get his famous dunk on George. He doesn't play for Liberty, and if he did, the ref would have called traveling on that play.

Is it oldflames die hard? We got kicked in the teeth by the plan. It did not get the job done and the only adjustment was to foul too early in late game situations. Not only foul but the best ft shooter in the BSC. We looked like we had no idea of what to do that was sound basketball in that situation. If I was you I would save my fuel in hopes something in the future may give you a reason to burn.
This one was a rout in the last ten minutes.

Get your facts straight my sock-puppet friend. We had an 83% foul shooter on the line for 2 FT that would have cut the lead to 5 with 4 minutes to play. Not to pin the blame on BJ, or any player in particular, but those 2 misses, along with the 2 by Smitty less than a minute later, were what led to the final margin. Despite our sub-standard shooting, we were in this game til then.

Apparently some of you are living in an alternative universe where Asheville was not the best team in the conference, playing on their home court, and seem to think that we only lost because of our incompetent coach and his cockamamie plan. I give Ashville a little more credit than that, but we COULD have pulled it off if we had shot closer to our usual % from 3 and made our free throws.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Read what I wrote again TBGBG. I said that this was the part of the plan which did NOT WORK. if we hit a few more shots, it does. It was not the plan which was faulty, but the execution. Some of the comments being made here remind me of the old Mike Tyson line.... "everybody's got a plan, until they get hit in the face." It's real easy to say on a message board that we should have challenged George more, we should have pushed him out further

Who's gunna do it? Not anybody here, that's for sure, and IMHO noone on our team or in our conference, and very few in the NCAA. Even Psycho T had to take extra steps to get his famous dunk on George. He doesn't play for Liberty, and if he did, the ref would have called traveling on that play.

Is it oldflames die hard? We got kicked in the teeth by the plan. It did not get the job done and the only adjustment was to foul too early in late game situations. Not only foul but the best ft shooter in the BSC. We looked like we had no idea of what to do that was sound basketball in that situation. If I was you I would save my fuel in hopes something in the future may give you a reason to burn.
This one was a rout in the last ten minutes.

Get your facts straight my sock-puppet friend. We had an 83% foul shooter on the line for 2 FT that would have cut the lead to 5 with 4 minutes to play. Not to pin the blame on BJ, or any player in particular, but those 2 misses, along with the 2 by Smitty less than a minute later, were what led to the final margin. Despite our sub-standard shooting, we were in this game til then.

Apparently some of you are living in an alternative universe where Asheville was not the best team in the conference, playing on their home court, and seem to think that we only lost because of our incompetent coach and his cockamamie plan. I give Ashville a little more credit than that, but we COULD have pulled it off if we had shot closer to our usual % from 3 and made our free throws.

You just replied to yourself... His "cockamamie" plan was to do what? Shoot the 3. And since we werent doing that well we keep shooting shots we arent making? You gotta change something.

We Lost because our whole gameplan sucked. Asheville is a very beatable team, and when they came to the vines they were a little banged up, but not 29 points worth of banged up. But that doesnt apply here I know cause Kenny didnt play, you just have to be more prepared than that, You have to have more than one battle plan. Shoot the 3 and sub Alex (Our Best player) in and out to watch Kenny (Their 3rd best player, at best) run around. When we put Rell Porter on Reggie Williams you dont see them stop giving Reggie the ball or pull him out, You see them play thir game. Same with AZ or any other team in America, You play your game and hope that you play yours better than they play theirs. You cant tell me that this subbing Alex Stuff was a good Idea. I will agree if the gameplan is to shoot 3's you can put another shooter out there and that was fine, but he has to get his minutes because he is our best player.

["R" i "]

Mckay was praised all night by the announcers..................... They talked up our top 50 class, and overall (besides the loss) LU was fantastically represented last night. Thank you Fans, Players, and RM. This was a loss in the books but a win in the column that doesnt really matter that much.

Seriously I was proud to be a flame last night, even in defeat.

[olldflame]

You DID know the "cockamamie plan" reference was sarcastic I hope.

If you are a perimeter shooter, you don't stop taking open shots and try to force square pegs into round holes because you start out cold. You always feel that the next one will go in and will be the start of a hot streak. If UNCA had shut down our perimeter game, and we were not getting good looks, we would then need to adjust. That was not the case.

I'm sure glad I'm not a coach. Genius to idiot, penthouse to outhouse... all in a matter of a couple of days. We shot a similar number of 3s against VMI and UNCA. We just shot better against the Keydets, and we didn't have to deal with an inside force like KG.

[SuperJon]

How Reggie Williams and AZ Reid play against Rell Porter is nowhere close to a comparison of Alex against Kenny George. Kenny George is a foot taller than Alex. The same people who have said all year that shooters have to keep shooting are now saying we should've changed our game plan because the shots weren't falling. If the defense was causing those shots not to fall and we weren't getting open looks then yea, blame the game plan. We were getting open looks and just couldn't knock them down. That's not the game plan's fault.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

You DID know the "cockamamie plan" reference was sarcastic I hope.

If you are a perimeter shooter, you don't stop taking open shots and try to force square pegs into round holes because you start out cold. You always feel that the next one will go in and will be the start of a hot streak. If UNCA had shut down our perimeter game, and we were not getting good looks, we would then need to adjust. That was not the case.

I'm sure glad I'm not a coach. Genius to idiot, penthouse to outhouse... all in a matter of a couple of days. We shot a similar number of 3s against VMI and UNCA. We just shot better against the Keydets, and we didn't have to deal with an inside force like KG.

Yes I did.

And I know if youre an outside shooter you keep shooting, I know that. However we were getting open looks and they werent falling. On top of that our 2 best offensive threats (McLean and Smith) are NOT outside shooters. Yes This year Anthony has been shooting better than he ever has, but he is a Slasher first. It is our game plan which said shoot shoot shoot and thats why it was a bad game plan. Anderson and Ohman are shooters, if they are hitting their shots you tell them keep shooting, but If smith isnt making his shots you tell him You can either drive and dunk it or i will find someone who will. Granted thats not easy with KG in the game and I know that as well. But we have our 2 best offensive players and we were not playing to their strong suit and we could have done that better, Thats why It was a bad plan. We dont plan a whole game on What Anderson, Ohman, Layer, and Lasfer can do, because 2 of them wernt touching the floor and one is a streaky walk on and the other is a freshman who is not leading our team in scoring. You play to your strong suits and we Did not do that.

[SuperJon]

Anthony can't drive and dunk it when Kenny George is in the game. No one in the country can unless they travel. That's why he's defensive player of the year. That's why people think he can play in the NBA. He doesn't let you "play your game." He forces you to change and adapt. We did that, we just didn't execute.

[ToTheLeft]

He will not have such an easy time in the NBA with the Defensive 3 in the lane calls. However, what will it hurt to add a 7 foot 7 guy to the roster....

[TIMSCAR20]

To me the game plan early was solid. The execution late was what got us beat IMHO. The only thing I might have done differently was 3 quarter to full court press a lot. That would have made them work to get the ball up the court, maybe forced a few turnovers for scores and reduced the time in the 35 second shot clock in which to keep Kenny out of the paint. Also it would have forced Kenny to possibly have to come back up the court to help with breaking the press. The other effect it would have had is throwing Smithson and KJ off of their rythym shooting 3's especially late game because they would have worked so hard getting the ball up court. Other than that, I would NOT shoot the ball in the paint with the big fella in there. We have seen that before and it is not successful. High ball screen offense wouldn't work on them because whether they are playing Man or Zone, Kenny doesn't leave the paint. It is funny how we are all coaches all of a sudden

[Realist]

Yeah, I don't see how you can blame Mckay. That gameplan is the way to play when he's in the game. He's simply too big and just quick enough to react to even great passes in the lane to be successful.

I do wonder why no one is pressing. I hope Peele presses every time he comes in the game. VMI ran them out of their own gym doing that.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Anthony can't drive and dunk it when Kenny George is in the game. No one in the country can unless they travel. That's why he's defensive player of the year. That's why people think he can play in the NBA. He doesn't let you "play your game." He forces you to change and adapt. We did that, we just didn't execute.

I dont expect him to dunk it on Kenny, but I do expect someone to attack him... How many blocks did KG have last night? 0. How man fouls did he have? 0. We didnt even attempt to take it at him, make him foul or try to catch him off guard. So Jon youre telling me you would have played that exactly the same way?


and Scar, I wouldnt expect a high screen I would expect a low one, in an effort to take a charge or to get a good roll off and make him try to defend a few guys at one time.

And Yes wel all do become coaches. Especially me Because its sad when I have at least 10 different people call me today and tell me that if Im coaching with those kids we would win... Thats sad... We just cant seem to coach when it matters, In the game situation when we need to be able to change things up... It was just terrible... But I guess everyone is a Monday morning QB, but I as well as others were seeing it last night in the game...

[sweetnahmah1]

I agree mostly with you TBGBG. We should've attacked more, made KG play more than one of us at once. Shooting 3's wasn't a bad idea, we just couldn't make em like the game before.

[flameshaw]

Anthony can't drive and dunk it when Kenny George is in the game. No one in the country can unless they travel. That's why he's defensive player of the year. That's why people think he can play in the NBA. He doesn't let you "play your game." He forces you to change and adapt. We did that, we just didn't execute.

I dont expect him to dunk it on Kenny, but I do expect someone to attack him... How many blocks did KG have last night? 0. How man fouls did he have? 0. We didnt even attempt to take it at him, make him foul or try to catch him off guard. So Jon youre telling me you would have played that exactly the same way?


and Scar, I wouldnt expect a high screen I would expect a low one, in an effort to take a charge or to get a good roll off and make him try to defend a few guys at one time.

And Yes wel all do become coaches. Especially me Because its sad when I have at least 10 different people call me today and tell me that if Im coaching with those kids we would win... Thats sad... We just cant seem to coach when it matters, In the game situation when we need to be able to change things up... It was just terrible... But I guess everyone is a Monday morning QB, but I as well as others were seeing it last night in the game...

Thay just means one of two things. One is you have 10 friends that like to stroke your ego. Or two, there are at least 10 other people who know little to nothing about basketball. You can't blame the outcome of the game on coaching or game plan. We did not execute like we did Tuesday. Anyone can be good with 20/20 hindsight.

[olldflame]

Anthony can't drive and dunk it when Kenny George is in the game. No one in the country can unless they travel. That's why he's defensive player of the year. That's why people think he can play in the NBA. He doesn't let you "play your game." He forces you to change and adapt. We did that, we just didn't execute.

I dont expect him to dunk it on Kenny, but I do expect someone to attack him... How many blocks did KG have last night? 0. How man fouls did he have? 0. We didnt even attempt to take it at him, make him foul or try to catch him off guard. So Jon youre telling me you would have played that exactly the same way?


and Scar, I wouldnt expect a high screen I would expect a low one, in an effort to take a charge or to get a good roll off and make him try to defend a few guys at one time.

And Yes wel all do become coaches. Especially me Because its sad when I have at least 10 different people call me today and tell me that if Im coaching with those kids we would win... Thats sad... We just cant seem to coach when it matters, In the game situation when we need to be able to change things up... It was just terrible... But I guess everyone is a Monday morning QB, but I as well as others were seeing it last night in the game...

Thay just means one of two things. One is you have 10 friends that like to stroke your ego. Or two, there are at least 10 other people who know little to nothing about basketball. You can't blame the outcome of the game on coaching or game plan. We did not execute like we did Tuesday. Anyone can be good with 20/20 hindsight.

You beat me to it flameshaw.

BTW TBGBG......... which one is it?