If roundball is your blood, this is the place to discuss the Flames as they move into the Ritchie McKay era for the 2nd time.

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By LUconn
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Why shouldn't we compare them to everyone else? I don't think it's acceptable for anybody attending LU to act like that. But it's gonna happen. To think we're gonna field a basketball team full of prayer leaders is just looking too hard for something to critisize Dunton about.
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By bigsmooth
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we would be very ignorant if we did not think that there are plenty of non-athletes of questionble character at LU. just because these guys are athletes is why the microscope is on them. im not a student and do not have day to day interaction with them, but could it be because they way they look, or dress is why they maybe frowned upon or question their character? i am the first one to say i have done that before and prime example was the football game saturday. i was sitting with HMO, and i saw a player on the sidelines that looked "thuggish" i started to question him and HMO said he knew him, and that he was a good christian man. i like what coach dunton is doing with the "faith in the furnace" initiative, and if any of these guys that are not saved, come to the LORD, that is the main goal. but this is a business, and if the wins are not posted, the coach is the fall guy. even if you hate D support the players...they need it. D needs it to, but i know he will not get that from most on this board.
Last edited by bigsmooth on November 13th, 2006, 1:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.
By A.G.
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Well said, Smoothie.
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By PAmedic
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#40950
finally, a positive post that fits the title of the thread. and as good a way to end this mess as any, though I doubt it will happen.

someone please make it stop.
By Ed Dantes
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LUconn wrote:yeah seriously. How is the basketball team any different than the rest of the student population? Sports or not, I knew, heard, saw plenty of questionable characters during my 4 years. That doesn't make it acceptable, especially since they are one of the more visable faces of our school, but I'm not nieve enough to think that our squad is going to be filled with Sunday school teachers.
The basketball team is different because they were specifically recruited to come to the university, to act, in essence, as ambassadors to the school. And, they are getting paid (through scholarships) to attend Liberty. Others had to shell out tuition money that amounts to twice as much as any other college in our classification (Tier 4, Master's, Southern).

Furthermore, how is the basketball team different? Because their (spiritual) failings, like most other athletes, tend to get swept under the rug whereas a comparable transgression from someone from the general student body causes Heaven to fall. "Got your girl pregnant? Ehh, don't worry about it, Louvon. Just keep up that 3.2 points per game production and you'll have a home here at LU."

I'm not saying that they all need to be Sunday school teachers, but they should have to exhibit a higher standard than the rest of the student body BECAUSE they are basketball players. You practically dismiss the notion that they are the visible faces of our school, whereas I think that is the crux behind this discussion.
By TDDance234
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Excellent post, Smooth.
By Hold My Own
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it's just such a fine line...a line that can only be stood on if you're a coach of integrity and character...b/c it's so easy to say with one breath, yes this person is not a christian but we're planting a seed...but in another breath its an excuse well I was told I can recruit non Christians....there's a line there and I cant think of to many coach's at LU who don't have integrity or character so we just need to trust they are being wise and using the "non christian" factor to better the athlete and not do it to often to better the team
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By Purple Haize
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It is possible to support the players and team regardless of your opinion of the staff. Examples have already been given. If the team up and wins 20 and goes to the tournament, there will be a lot of band wagon jumping to be sure. That is the nature of the coaching beast.
To the question of why should athletes be treated different, that is sort of a non starter. I don't see too many threads on the Biology department, or the nursing program (heck even SMGT!!) But to quote some famous book from some guy "to whom much is given, much is required". If you are going to be a "leader" and like it or not ahtletes are looked at that way, you are taking on a larger mantel of responsibility. ALL SPORTS INCLUDED. I am FFFAARRR more sympathetic to the kid waiting tables till 1 am and getting up for class than I am for student/athletes. But that is just me.!
Since I started this thread, I will say I echo the article. I am not sure our program is going anywhere. Neither worse or better. Just sorta "there". I don't see one "successful" (defined as BSC title) changing that. A couple of em, absolutely, but one is just more of the same. IMHO
By kel varson
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AG,

That reminds me of the democrats. "I support the troops, but Bush lied and people died." "the troops are doing a great job but Bush is the worst President ever."
By jmdickens
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yeah. That is definately not the case here. We are actually going to win the war, not the championship
By BUSIMAN23
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Dantes nailed it on the head to much is given much is required and im not seeing much good come out of the players
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By PAmedic
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GUYS!

THE SEASON HASNT EVEN STARTED YET!

GOOD LORD, I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE. GOING BACK TO THE FB THREAD AND STAYING THERE TIL NEXT WEEKEND.

AFTER THAT, LOOK FOR ME IN THE WRESTLING FORUM

GOOD RIDDANCE :x
By A.G.
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Medic needs a trip to VICODIN LAND.
By grm
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Ever think he might have a valid point?
By A.G.
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grm wrote:Ever think he might have a valid point?
Oh, he has a very valid point. Look at what happened to an innocent predictions thread I put out there. It took all of TEN MINUTES for the fur to start flying. At least passion (no matter how misplaced) is better than apathy.
By grm
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Quite true, if kept in context. Without being ridiculous, I would rather have the terrorists apathetic towards America as opposed to their brand of passion.

Hey, how do I manipulate (computer wise....sincere question) those little quote things that you guys all do?
By LUconn
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up in the right corner of each post there's a button that says "quote". Right.......................................................................................................here^ (if you're maximized)
By A.G.
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grm wrote:Quite true, if kept in context. Without being ridiculous, I would rather have the terrorists apathetic towards America as opposed to their brand of passion.

Hey, how do I manipulate (computer wise....sincere question) those little quote things that you guys all do?
Very good. You're now equating the haters to terrorists. Works for me.
By mrich
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Haters=terrorists; RD=????
By grm
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Very good. You're now equating the haters to terrorists. Works for me.[/quote]
Let's see how this comes out!
By grm
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Looks like I still have some work to do on the "quote" thing.

"I'm not a smart man." (Forest Gump)
By LUconn
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you had the right thing at the end of your quote. you just needed this at the beginning [quote]
By mrich
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You started the ridiculous terrorist analogy grm
By SuperJon
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What's the over/under on number of pages this will have before the end of the season?
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By Sly Fox
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If I had my choice ... 2.
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